BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Ghostimuscrime]

Kishimoto did it to a degree too, after the manga they diverged to movies (the last, Boruto NTM) and then a sequel anime with mostly anime content and both dbs and naruto franchise were handed to assistants to make manga on later down the line as well

I'm don't see Kubo handing his stuff down to assistants given how territorial he is, anime route makes the most sense, especially since you get to have a clean adaptation and cut down a lot of room for errors you'd get otherwise

 

[Lawiegg]

When can we have some tier 1shit In bleach?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

it'll come when we collectively harass @Saqphire to drop the 1-C bleach cosmo blog

 

[Specterxxxx]

I am thinking of creating a CRT and linking the calc there for 5B non god tiers rather than waiting for the calc to get approved by a CGM. it's been months now.

 

[PizzaDante67]

When can we have some tier 1shit In bleach?

Let‘s get Bleach God Tiers to 2-C first (Massively FTL+ speed rating would be juicy as well)

 

[ItsMeat]

Let‘s get Bleach God Tiers to 2-C first (Massively FTL+ speed rating would be juicy as well)

We should get them to h3a first

 

[Excellence616]

The verse is already 2-C

 

[Ralp0054]

The verse is already 2-C

In fact, the verse is not 2-C, but the scale of the dimensions within the verse is 2-C.

 

[AppleLord]

So I noticed Uryu’s Vollständig doesn’t have a halo like other Quincy, but he can still use Sklaverei. This matters because when Ichigo destroyed Quilge Opie’s halo in Hueco Mundo, it immediately stopped his Sklaverei. If Uryu has no halo to break, does that mean he doesn’t have that weakness? Would make his Vollständig way more durable than other Quincy. Thoughts?

 

[AppleLord]

Forgot Uryu is immune to hollow reiatsu. Uryu is like a vampire Blade version of the Quincy! He's a Quincy, but he has all their strengths and none of their weakness! I also have a theory that Uryu is half Fullbringer, not just Quincy.

 

[ItsMeat]

So I noticed Uryu’s Vollständig doesn’t have a halo like other Quincy, but he can still use Sklaverei. This matters because when Ichigo destroyed Quilge Opie’s halo in Hueco Mundo, it immediately stopped his Sklaverei. If Uryu has no halo to break, does that mean he doesn’t have that weakness? Would make his Vollständig way more durable than other Quincy. Thoughts?

After all, uryu is the only quincy considered to still possibly be able to use vollstanding in Cfyow after Yhwach's defeat

 

[Apotheosis69]

Thinkin about doing a Byakuya revision sandbox, ofc applied and changed once Cour 4 comes. As I'm already done with Post-Timeskip Ichigo's.

Any objections?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Thinkin about doing a Byakuya revision sandbox, ofc applied and changed once Cour 4 comes. As I'm already done with Ichigo's.

Thoughts ya'll?

Don't worry, I'll drop a revision including Ichigo soon so you have to do more work on his sandbox
(It's not actually a lot for Ichigo so don't worry it's pretty minor for him)

 

[PizzaDante67]

We should get them to h3a first

Are there even High 3-A feats? I can only think of 2-C feats honestly

 

[Apotheosis69]

Don't worry, I'll drop a revision including Ichigo soon so you have to do more work on his sandbox
(It's not actually a lot for Ichigo so don't worry it's pretty minor for him)

You can send me the stuff for him, so I can have that finished.

All honesty I can do all profile revisions for Major characters. And that ain't a joke

 

[Excellence616]

Don't worry, I'll drop a revision including Ichigo

Abilities or Stats?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

You can send me the stuff for him, so I can have that finished.

All honesty I can do all profile revisions for Major characters. And that ain't a joke

Well, the biggest part that will need a vote on is whether or not his rage amp should have a separate rating now that Aizen has been downgraded, which removed half of the reasoning why they were considered equal. That part I haven't finished yet and is not a guarantee that it will pass since I'm going to have both ends in the CRT and reasons why and why not. (Yes, I know there's a CRT ongoing where I said the downgrade was invalid, but half the reasons for the validity have vanished, so yeah.)

The next is his Blut. Specifically, just Fullbring Bankai Blut. I changed it to 10x, but that was honestly my fault as it shouldn't be 10x and I'm going to be given reasons why it should just be 5x (which also supports True Zanpakuto Ichigo having 10x Blut)

Finally, I'm proposing he gets Blut in Fullbring Shikai too since there's no reason Zangetsu couldn't activate Blut in Shikai. This would be the same as his Bankai Blut, meaning 5x and only possibly for Arterie. (If his rage amp is separated from his base state, both his rage amp and his base Bankai would get Blut ratings).
I'll dm you some of the sandbox

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Abilities or Stats?

Stats, it's part of my Blut revision

 

[DragoZeroNova]

You can send me the stuff for him, so I can have that finished.

All honesty I can do all profile revisions for Major characters. And that ain't a joke

Also yeah I don't mind, though idk if anyone else is doing profile revisions. Once I'm done with those whole scaling stuff, I'm going to try to at least finish creating profiles of more minor characters so yeah.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Also yeah I don't mind, though idk if anyone else is doing profile revisions. Once I'm done with those whole scaling stuff, I'm going to try to at least finish creating profiles of more minor characters so yeah.

Why is no one scaling his True Shikai to full power uryu?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Why is no one scaling his True Shikai to full power uryu?

He probably will once someone makes a CRT for it. I'm busy and @Apotheosis69 also has an Ichigo Sandbox and I'm pretty sure Ichigo scales to Uryu in his sandbox

 

[Apotheosis69]

Why is no one scaling his True Shikai to full power uryu?

In my Sandbox, True Shikai Ichigo upscales to max power Uryu (Volständig, Blut and Sklaverai). Don't worry

 

[Specterxxxx]

I am planning on making a CRT for a huge LS upgrade for characters that upscales from senna feat through narrative since we currently assume her feat to be pushing planets instead of universes. If we assume those to be planetoids. This would give the likes of Ichigo, Yhwach, Aizen, Uryu, Renji, Kenpachi, hikone, possibly ginjo and the squad zero to multi stellar LS. Thoughts before I make a CRT.?

 

[Ralp0054]

In my Sandbox, True Shikai Ichigo upscales to max power Uryu (Volständig, Blut and Sklaverai). Don't worry

So, currently your sandbox's statistical values are much higher than the current Ichigo profile.

 

[Ralp0054]

Uryu's Shadow

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Can someone from the old school summarize the reason why this feat is considered invalid?

 

[Specterxxxx]

Uryu's Shadow

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Can someone from the old school summarize the reason why this feat is considered invalid?

Anti feats from faster characters and sheer inconsistency

 

[Adam1396]

since we currently assume her feat to be pushing planets instead of universes. If we assume those to be planetoids.

Is this what's accepted in wiki?
It seems completely unreasonable to say planets anyway.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Is this what's accepted in wiki?
It seems completely unreasonable to say planets anyway.

Yeah it is... at the moment.

 

[Apotheosis69]

So, currently your sandbox's statistical values are much higher than the current Ichigo profile.

Basically, yes

 

[Specterxxxx]

Basically, yes

Do you plan on doing the CRT today? I plan on doing the LS upgrade CRT today.

 

[ItsMeat]

Are there even High 3-A feats?

Senju and eventually yamamoto statements

I can only think of 2-C feats honestly

Idk if we count senju for 2c

 

[Apotheosis69]

Do you plan on doing the CRT today? I plan on doing the LS upgrade CRT today.

Oh heeeeell nah, waiting for Cour 4, sorry. As its the entirely of his Post-Timeskip page. You can go on ahead with your CRT

 

[Specterxxxx]

Oh heeeeell nah, waiting for Cour 4, sorry. As its the entirely of his Post-Timeskip page. You can go on ahead with your CRT

Wait a min, Aren't we waiting for cour 4 to make a CRT for 2C god tiers?

At that point it wouldn't matter if true shikai ichigo scales to full power uryu since both would be 2C

 

[AppleLord]

In the anime, Ichibei activates his Futen Taisatsuryo then when he finishes his chant the animation changes to Yhwach activating the Almighty. So, the temple coming up and the nights been taken all happened in a future Yhwach saw in the present. He kills Ichibei in the present when he is still standing still in front of him. The chant, temple, and skulls, Ichibei jumping towards Yhwach never happened.

Did you guys noticed that?

I hope we get to see Ichigo vs Soul King Yhwach in this same red and black outline shown everytime Yhwach uses Almighty.

Also when Ichigo and team try to Yhwach from moving towards the Soul King, Yhwach uses the Almighty again to chose a future where they don’t try to stop him at that time.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Wait a min, Aren't we waiting for cour 4 to make a CRT for 2C god tiers?

At that point it wouldn't matter if true shikai ichigo scales to full power uryu since both would be 2C

Thats the point.

And you can send me the LS stuff you're working on.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Thats the point.

Okay

And you can send me the LS stuff you're working on.

I just posted the CRT just now.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Multi stellar bleach LS upgrade

LS upgrade for squad zero level characters This is going to be a straightfoward and simple CRT and I recommend reading everything before making any comment to avoid confusion. INTRODUCTION The Main premise of the CRT is to evaluate the low 4C feat achieved by senna back in the memories of...

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[Specterxxxx]

Multi stellar bleach LS upgrade

LS upgrade for squad zero level characters This is going to be a straightfoward and simple CRT and I recommend reading everything before making any comment to avoid confusion. INTRODUCTION The Main premise of the CRT is to evaluate the low 4C feat achieved by senna back in the memories of...

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Please I need everyone's input, if there is any mistake or anything worth correcting.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Wasn't there a sandbox of the updated, AP scaling chain? Could someone link it?

 

[AppleLord]

Bankai multiplier X10 confirm canon?

Ulquiorra’s own dialogue > Cero Oscuras x full power = resurrection X10 / cero oscuras = order of magnitude (X10) x Resurrection = Bankai multiplier = x10

Nutshell:

• Resurrección = Bankai-level form (source: TYBW Mayuri & Urahara's dialogue)
• Peak output of Resurrección = Cero Oscuras (source: Ulquiorra's dialogue)
• Cero Oscuras = 10× normal Cero (source: Unmasked data book)