Closed due to verse scaling complications

[PedjaTarzan]

Why is that PedjaTarzan lmao

???

 

[MSahla]

???

she quoted my words but the name is you, and now she changed it.

 

[TrueBK98]

What i mean is, does that mean that 3-D person automatically stronger than that 5-D person because he manage to impressed the 5-D person? Not necessarily. Because, who in the hell scaling their character based on their expression?

Like I said, depending on the context. What’s the line? What’s the detailed face expression? The body movements? Your example is too vague to prove a point. If he shaken in awe for example, then it’s likely to be stronger. A simple nod of approval could means its better than what he thought.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Alright fellas smellas etc,
I just learned that apparently, you CAN downscale a character even if they dont completely scale to the character stronger than them.
As i said i disagree with any attempt to directly downscale characters outside Durin and Dainsleif, (durin amped people asw) to 10% Rerir.
Since Rerir 10% is somewhere around 5.something zettatons and hes massively stronger than characters who can clash with him and contend for a while, while consistently being potrayed as the strongest and unbeatable, IF what i linked is completely true
anyone whos low 5-B downscaling from rerir will get to the baseline of that tier (433 exatons), people who are equal or stronger than him will be in Rerir 10% value and for Sinners Shades Dragons and Nibelung all that remains unchanged (just how OP explained their scaling).
Thats all i can say

 

[Puppet43]

"Wasn't serious" while he also participated in the final fight which is where Rerir is getting serious to kill them.
This team except Aino was fighting against Rerir directly for sometimes before Lauma and Flins got separated from Nefer and Traveler. (Lauma Upscale BTW)

Yeah, sadly for u he wasn't serious at all, is when he separates Nefer and Traveler that is going all out with the intention of killing those 2

Arlecchino still has indexed scaling to Archons because she was confident she could beat Furina based on her faulty knowledge that Furina was Archon tier

The worst part is not Arle pottentially scaling to Archon lvl, but why would Furina being Archon lvl? Not all archons, like Nahida for example are weaker than Dendro Traveler (at best that blud is Scaramouche fatui lvl)

 

[Puppet43]

anyone whos low 5-B downscaling from rerir will get to the baseline of that tier (433 exatons), people who are equal or stronger than him will be in Rerir 10% value

Until its gets confirmed by a moderator i would just maintain the "Downscaling 5.9 idktons" but yeah anything to oneshot Aang

 

[MSahla]

Yeah, sadly for u he wasn't serious at all, is when he separates Nefer and Traveler that is going all out with the intention of killing those 2

No
His Second Half is just adding a weapon a more abilities, doesn't mean he's not serious

 

[FentyBeauty]

@Puppet43 hi

do u want me to find some mods for u

 

[Puppet43]

His Second Half is just adding a weapon a more abilities, doesn't mean he's not serious

READ

do u want me to find some mods for u

If u could, yeah

 

[FentyBeauty]

If u could, yeah

okay

 

[MSahla]

READ

Shows nothing, Rerir is just separated them outside.

 

[Puppet43]

Shows nothing, Rerir is just separated them outside.

See? i told u "Read" and u indeed didn't read,
Don't mess up with Genshin players we don't even know how to read

 

[MSahla]

See? i told u "Read" and u indeed didn't read,
Don't mess up with Genshin players we don't even know how to read

Buddy i read everything, and none of them u showed showing where Rerir said he's not serious whatsoever.

 

[TrueBK98]

Rerir treated the others as something to be pushed aside, which he did. His targets were mainly The Traveler, Nefer and Columbina. The Traveler tried his best to be the main force in stalling Rerir, to lessen the risks on others.
Also, while this doesn't matter to the conversation, apparently Dain was the one who opened the gate according to the texts.

 

[MSahla]

Also, while this doesn't matter to the conversation, apparently Dain was the one who opened the gate according to the texts.

That's a mistake wording by Hoyo. As explained by Columbina, the Moon Gate is Moon Goddesses authority and they have right to create it because it is the only path to the moon. She already feel that she have a command to summon the gate, and it was already obvious in the cutscene that Columbina is the one who summoned the gate, not Dain.

 

[Yanina92]

Agree with the Debunk

 

[Puppet43]

Buddy i read everything, and none of them u showed showing where Rerir said he's not serious whatsoever.

Rerir treated the others as something to be pushed aside, which he did. His targets were mainly The Traveler, Nefer and Columbina. The Traveler tried his best to be the main force in stalling Rerir, to lessen the risks on others.

BK98 has understand better the point of the dialogues than u, lmao and not to forget that u ignoring this paragraph of his arg + all the scans in DC which support this, Sahl, at this point ur just being delusional

 

[MSahla]

at this point ur just being delusional

oh as if you're not.
The one who thinks "implied" = legit
The one who scale a characters based on their expressions.

Atp bro, do whatever you want with this, ur debunk is already wrong since the first place, let alone your new scaling. I dont even know why everyone agreeing to this without thinking it or even know it.

I'll bring back what it should be in the future.

 

[Puppet43]

The one who thinks "implied" = legit
The one who scale a characters based on their expressions.

Context dependent scaling

I dont even know why everyone agreeing to this without thinking it or even know it.

Because is low key better than scaling all top tiers to a feat only made by top 2 in the verse which has a giant power gap with the rest of the cast? Is legit a same situation with Sukuna/Gojo and rest of JJK cast

I'll bring back what it should be in the future.

Potential Scaling "If" "When" "i'll" but never i would

 

[PedjaTarzan]

what the ruck are you even debating ur literally derailing this shit

 

[MSahla]

Because is low key better than scaling all top tiers to a feat only made by top 2 in the verse

You think that way and seriously underestimate the Sovereigns, you think only Nibelung who can create literal a sun?

Xiuhcoatl managed to create three miniature suns, said to be comparable to lunar reconstruction and even no-inferior to a star-forging/creating a sun. He made those things when he was weakened, mind you. And because of this feat, Nibelung would tucked his wings and nodded to congratulate his feat.

Operations stream along countless convolutions, flowing spectrum paths that shift across
layered platforms.
The accumulated Phlogiston coalesces under immense pressure into a floating, controllable
ball of heat.
"We've done it!" Your brethren cheer all around you
Yet the one who masterminded this feat, in no way inferior to star-forging, stands outside the
experimental site, as though wholly unrelated to this momentous deed.

Kukulkan: Congratulations are in order, creating something equivalent to a celestial body in miniature.. "An Astral Assamblage", Is it? Truly a grand achivement, comparable to Lunar Reconstruction.
Kukulkan: That one would surely have tucked their wings in and nodded to congratulations to you — were they still with us.

And yet, you only using the sovereigns feat called "rival the human realm" and equate them with the sinners who have similar statements so you forgetting those feats of the Sovereigns which is far greater than that.

 

[Puppet43]

what the ruck are you even debating ur literally derailing this

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Xiuhcoatl managed to create three miniature suns, said to be comparable to lunar reconstruction and even no-inferior to a star-forging/creating a sun. He made those things when he was weakened, mind you. And because of this feat, Nibelung would tucked his wings and nodded to congratulate his feat.

And u should mind that when calculated those feats are 5C - Low 5B and with some wanks 5B

And yet, you only using the sovereigns feat called "rival the human realm" and equate them with the sinners who have similar statements so you forgetting those feats of the Sovereigns which is far greater than that.

I mean i would had named some feats if any of their feats were tier 5 or higher (not counting Nibe) but then again their feats are:

• Being comparable to Shades (1 of them has planetary statment)
• Being comparable to Sinners (All have Planetary statments)
• Apep stated to destroy continent without Authority (6A)
• Neuvi pushing the PSW without Authority (6A)
• Kukulkan's star creation (5B with some wanks)
• Being superior to ADN, which can survive the explosion of the planet (High 6B - 6B) and flood a country (Low 6B)

Lack of Sovereing media does really dont pay well for them low key

 

[MSahla]

• Being comparable to Shades (1 of them has planetary statment)
• Being comparable to Sinners (All have Planetary statments)
• Apep stated to destroy continent without Authority (6A)
• Neuvi pushing the PSW without Authority (6A)
• Kukulkan's star creation (5B with some wanks)
• Being superior to ADN, which can survive the explosion of the planet (High 6B - 6B) and flood a country (Low 6B)

Lack of Sovereing media does really dont pay well for them low key

Ah yes.. Avoiding their feats onpar with Heavenly Principles again.

"But they were immortal because there was no boundary between life and death"

Absolutely no proof that they were immortal + Life and Death already separated at the moment Heavenly Principles created Ronova and Naberius when they began to fight those Sovereigns, so those dragons are not you so-called "immortal" whatsoever. And for forty winters and forty summers, basically 40 years, they fighting each other until the sovereigns lost. This war was as destructive as the war of vengeance led by Nibelung that even beyond the capablities of the Seven Archons.

"There was no boundary between life and death" ain't giving you immortalities whatsoever

 

[PedjaTarzan]

• Apep stated to destroy continent without Authority (6A)
• Neuvi pushing the PSW without Authority (6A)
• Kukulkan's star creation (5B with some wanks)
• Being superior to ADN, which can survive the explosion of the planet (High 6B - 6B) and flood a country (Low 6B)

all of these being non calced is crazy

 

[Puppet43]

all of these being non calced is crazy

The 6A neuvi came from a calc u show me

Ah yes.. Avoiding their feats onpar with Heavenly Principles again.
"But they were immortal because there was no boundary between life and death"

When you ignore the fact that the war statement is very ambiguous and doesn't give in-depth context about how the fight actually went down

Absolutely no proof that they were immortal + Life and Death already separated at the moment Heavenly Principles created Ronova and Naberius when they began to fight those Sovereigns, so those dragons are not you so-called "immortal" whatsoever.

This is what i been defending this whole time, do we have any statment relating when did were the shades created? No
So why would u high ball it saying HP created the Shades at the 1st second that the war started?

This war was as destructive as the war of vengeance led by Nibelung that even beyond the capablities of the Seven Archons.

• I never arg they were weaker than Archons
• U still have to proof it was in destructiveness what they were comparable and not they fact that both fights were Primordial One & Shades vs Dragons / The fact that planet's fate lied in whoever won (in both fights)

The second throne of the heavens came, and war was rekindled, as it was in the world's creation.

In the English translation, your only argument that both wars were on the same scale is the word "rekindled," when the meaning of this word is: to make someone have a feeling they had in the past, to relight, to revive. This only implies that between the War of the Nibelung and the War of the Seven Sovereigns there was a period of peace, and the only war experienced on such a scale was the former.

And not to mention that we cannot take the book literally since the game file itself describes it as "The writing is a mix of fables and histories from the beginning of the world to the creation of the Dainichi Mikoshi."

 

[MSahla]

This is what i been defending this whole time, do we have any statment relating when did were the shades created? No
So why would u high ball it saying HP created the Shades at the 1st second that the war started?

Because he created those shades literally in the same year and when he starts to fight those dragons, lmao, do you even read that?

"When the Doves Held Branches"
When the eternal throne of the heavens came, the world was made anew. Then the true lord, the Primordial One, came forth and did battle against the seven terrifying sovereigns, dragon-lords of the old world. The Primordial One created shining shades of itself, and the number of these shades was four.

This is so obvious that the shades were created when Phanes is starting to fight the Sovereigns

In the English translation, your only argument that both wars were on the same scale is the word "rekindled," when the meaning of this word is: to make someone have a feeling they had in the past, to relight, to revive. This only implies that between the War of the Nibelung and the War of the Seven Sovereigns there was a period of peace, and the only war experienced on such a scale was the former.

Absolute Wrong, my point is not with the word "Rekindled" whatsoever but "as it was in the world's creation".

"The Funerary Year"
The second throne of the heavens came, and war was rekindled, as it was in the world's creation. That day, the heavens collapsed and the earth was rent asunder.

And not to mention that we cannot take the book literally since the game file itself describes it as "The writing is a mix of fables and histories from the beginning of the world to the creation of the Dainichi Mikoshi."

Just want to tell you, almost no words in there are wrong, they are all accurate to the Histories.

The Author said theres a prophecy of Hydro Dragon being reborn as a Human, and that is true.

The Author said the war of Vengeance makes the heavens and earth collapsed and the Second Who Came (Nibelung) are defeated, and that is true.

The Story of Aberakku borrowing the power of Istaroth to create Dainichi Mikoshi, how Orobashi overthrew the Sunchilds, and many others.

Until now, that book was never proven to be wrong.

You wanna say the Sovereigns were never fought the Heavenly Principles and the Shades because that book is mixed with Fables? Sadly you can't, because Scylla and Kukulkan was there witnessing that war, which is called "The Sky-War"

 

[MSahla]

Yeah so.. @Puppet43 you might have to leave your scaling (Low 5-B and 5-B) but you can maintain the Speed section.

because this CRT got 3 votes of approvals already.

Upgrade Sinners and Shades (GENSHIN IMPACT)

i mean normal people, since i saw in that science-fiction book talking about a time machine of some sort Oh. Nope they're not, its just a science fiction novel. This is the description of that book: A Fontainian science fiction novel published by The Steambird. It tells the story of an...

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[Puppet43]

Because he created those shades literally in the same year and when he starts to fight those dragons, lmao, do you even read that?

This is so obvious that the shades were created when Phanes is starting to fight the Sovereigns

Hey could u tell me when in the text u send it is implied in any way possible the year of creation of Shades?

Absolute Wrong, my point is not with the word "Rekindled" whatsoever but "as it was in the world's creation".

I give u synonims of Rekindled, u can change the word and see what is the context is about

The second throne of the heavens came, and war was revived, as it was in the world's creation. That day, the heavens collapsed and the earth was rent asunder.

This just futher supports the idea of time between the 2 wars being just peace

Just want to tell you, almost no words in there are wrong, they are all accurate to the Histories.

I mean of the ones u mention, only the Neuvi theory wasn't ful filled, since yk the other events had already happend when the book was written
Im not saying Book bad, im saying u shouldnt look it as 1:1

 

[MSahla]

Hey could u tell me when in the text u send it is implied in any way possible the year of creation of Shades?

"When the Doves Held Branches"
When the eternal throne of the heavens came, the world was made anew. Then the true lord, the Primordial One, came forth and did battle against the seven terrifying sovereigns, dragon-lords of the old world. The Primordial One created shining shades of itself, and the number of these shades was four.

Not big enough?

 

[Puppet43]

Not big enough?

Thats the title of the book/name of the era, when did the phrase "When Doves held branches" became equal to a time interval?

 

[MSahla]

Thats the title of the book/name of the era, when did the phrase "When Doves held branches" became equal to a time interval?

Its the same like "The year of this" or "The year of that".

Thats the title when those events is happening lol

 

[Puppet43]

Thats the title when those events is happening lol

An event that actually happend in the course of 40 years? In fact, since the victory statment is in the same part it should mean the war only lasted 1 year right?

 

[MSahla]

An event that actually happend in the course of 40 years? In fact, since the victory statment is in the same part it should mean the war only lasted 1 year right?

No its not in the same part.

"When the Doves Held Branches" → Phanes came to Teyvat for the first time, starting to fight the Sovereigns, Phanes creates the Shades.

"When the Doves Held Branches"
When the eternal throne of the heavens came, the world was made anew. Then the true lord, the Primordial One, came forth and did battle against the seven terrifying sovereigns, dragon-lords of the old world. The Primordial One created shining shades of itself, and the number of these shades was four.

"Forty Years After the Held Branches" → Sovereigns defeated and etcetera

"Forty Years After the Held Branches"
Forty winters entombed the flames, and forty summers churned the seas. The Seven Sovereigns were vanquished, and the seven nations submitted to the heavens. The Primordial One, the great sovereign, began the creation of heaven and earth for "our" sake — that of its creations which it cherished most, who would soon appear upon this earth.

 

[Puppet43]

"When the Doves Held Branches" → Phanes came to Teyvat for the first time, starting to fight the Sovereigns, Phanes creates the Shades.
"Forty Years After the Held Branches" → Sovereigns defeated and etcetera

Again ur not proving anything that contradicts this

Thats the title of the book/name of the era

 

[MSahla]

Again ur not proving anything that contradicts this

Thats literally what it is, those titles are for when the events is happening

 

[Puppet43]

Thats literally what it is, those titles are for when the events is happening

But man u dont have evidence to be just 1 year, its could the name of the war/era just as if i said the era of N4zis or The 2nd World War, those events didn't happen in 1 night but i could summarize them into 3 paraghraps just like the dude from this Genshin book did

 

[MSahla]

But man u dont have evidence to be just 1 year, its could the name of the war/era just as if i said the era of N4zis or The 2nd World War, those events didn't happen in 1 night but i could summarize them into 3 paraghraps just like the dude from this Genshin book did

"You dont have evidence to be just 1 year" ??

I literally just gave it to you, and you refused to believe it because that will make your argument weaker, so now you are making things up. Everyone knows it when they read those, it's so clear.

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Bump

 

[IStar0thh]

I’m not sure how this CRT has evolved after that whole forced 2-C upgrade, but I agree with almost everything here. This interpretation is far more consistent with the story as it’s actually presented.

 

[Puppet43]

@TWILIGHT-OP if u care could u close this CRT? i would prefer to first debunk tier 2 and 4 rather than continue the scaling