Closed due to verse scaling complications

[Puppet43]

The War of Vengeance that Nibelung caused literally reminds them of the war in the world's creation which is the war between Phanes + Shades vs Sovereigns.

Again, a war can be remind to other base on the 2 sides that are gonna fight not neceserally based on 7 Sovereings = Nibelung

But you are making them as a legit thing, theres no proof of those Dragons are immortal/cannot die. And not to mention, you basically said something like " Because of they're immortal/cannot die, Phanes had to create his shades and then they manage ti defeat them 40 years later" Which is absolutely wrong. The Four Shades were created were not after 40 years later, literally the same day when Phanes began to fight them.

Im not making a legit thing, im just interpretating the fight with 2 facts that are confirmed as of rn

1. Shades were created in the middle of the war
2. Dragons were immortals in their age because their nature

And base on that and the facts that Shades are classificated as Conceptual Manipulators of their power it can be assumed that Death was brought by the creation of Ronova, in fact in this weapon it is written as if, upon his return to Teyvat, Nibelung wants to bring back his original rules such as no barriers between life and death nor between time and space. And btw there no mention on which day they were created is just stated post war started

Still, as i explained above, you still have no proof of those dragons having that kind of hax that let them keeping them alive.

“Nothing divided the state of being alive from the state of being dead.”

Yeah, that means dragons could keep reviving themselfs whatever they wanted lol

The fact that you put this feat of the Sovereigns to equate them with the Sinners instead of using the Sovereigns' greatest feat which is fighting against Four Shades DIRECTLY for 40 years

So u forgot that we need Sovereing equal to some Ap instead of scaling to Shades (which would turn into a cycle of A scales to B, B scales A) so i just put a statment that solidificates Sinners as same lvl as Dragons and give Dragon quantificable AP

I can see The Traveler and Durin downscaled from 10% Rerir, but not the others.

Thats why i put Flins as "possible". Skirk and Arle in their new keys just scale equal or sligthy above Traveler, Durin has a chainscale both towards Rerir and Traveler

The dragons weren't destroyed, they were allowed to live by the heavenly principles

Hydro Sovereing wanna have a chat with u

Shouldn't the archons also have the L5B option?

Nah, sadly no archon scales to current Traveler, with Venti being an outlier (most likely because of Istaroth's powers)

 

[FentyBeauty]

Anyone who has been following this CRT, I would recommend that you reread it, as there have been important changes.
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i think this sort of makes sense to me

i’m just a little confused on the speed stuff and how u came to the conclusion that rerir at his full strength would mean he’s like 10x faster than his 10% era but u don’t have to elaborate that for me anyway so u can just put me in agree

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

I agree with everything except... Characters scaling through Rerir

 

[Puppet43]

i’m just a little confused on the speed stuff and how u came to the conclusion that rerir at his full strength would mean he’s like 10x faster than his 10% era but u don’t have to elaborate that for me anyway so u can just put me in agree

It mostly a VSBW thing, he says power therefore should upscale both his AP, Speed, Dura and LS

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

I agree with everything except... Characters scaling through Rerir

@Puppet43
Bro do you want any reason or something?

 

[Mommyleona]

so Venti and Dvalin are stronger than all other archons combined according to this?

 

[Puppet43]

@Puppet43
Bro do you want any reason or something?

I wont force u to say really if u dont want to

so Venti and Dvalin are stronger than all other archons combined according to this?

How Venti felt after saying he is the weakest when he oneshots all of them :sigma:

 

[FentyBeauty]

It mostly a VSBW thing, he says power therefore should upscale both his AP, Speed, Dura and LS

vsbw things r so weird

anyways does that basically mean his 10% is class t too bc if sinners n dragons have like class p ls then 10% of that would be class t n he would have that

 

[Puppet43]

vsbw things r so weird

anyways does that basically mean his 10% is class t too bc if sinners n dragons have like class p ls then 10% of that would be class t n he would have that

Emmmm i guess so

 

[PedjaTarzan]

yall should call staff now

 

[Puppet43]

When Traveler is still above 5C Aang so Death Battle makes the video just Traveler oneshotting blud

 

[MSahla]

@Puppet43 Where are u gonna put Phantom form Rerir? Low 5B?

 

[MSahla]

Flins: He was able to fight for some time against Shadow Rerir, do in their last battle the Sinner was sligthy stronger, but as seen here even Shadow Rerir is able to clash against Moon Marrow Traveler

If we goes by your scaling, Flins shouldn't be "Possibly" at all.

Phantom Rerir was onpar with the Traveler who's Low 5-B + Relativistic, and Flins joined them.


Later, at 10%, Rerir should be scale above Moon Marrow Traveler and the rest. And again, Flins was keeping up with the Traveler fighting against Rerir.


Flins should scale to Moon Marrow Traveler, therefore, Flins is Low 5-B + Relativistic as well.

 

[Hjdjdhf]

In addition to the upgrade of Flins, I agree to all the rest

 

[MSahla]

Low 5-B / Relativistic Speed

• Traveler (Post Skirk Training/Moon Marrow) for obvious reasons (Post Skirk Training should downscale to Skirk and Moon Marrow, even if its a physical amp, its still below Skirk, meaning the amplification wasn't that big)

Also.. Where did you get Low 5-B for Post-Training Skirk Traveler? The Low 5-B is coming from 10% Rerir which is in Act 3 and 4. If its from the Act 2 then Phantom Rerir would also be Low 5-B which is wrong.

Post-Skirk Training should be a separate key from Moon Marrow Traveler. He should be at least 6-B for Post-Skirk Training and Low 5-B with Moon Marrow. Or even, we shouldn't make "Post-Training Skirk" Key whatsoever.

And honestly, Moon Marrow should be on his "Nod-Krai Chapter" key, not "Moon Marrow" key.

it would be like

Tier: High 8-C | 7-C | 7-B, at least 6-B with Vision Buff | 6-B | 6-B | At least 6-B, possibly 5-B with Nightsoul's Blessing | 6-B, Low 5-B with Moon Marrow.

Key: Mondstadt Chapter | Liyue Chapter | Inazuma Chapter | Sumeru Chapter | Fontaine Chapter | Natlan Chapter | Nod-Krai Chapter

 

[Puppet43]

Flins should scale to Moon Marrow Traveler, therefore, Flins is Low 5-B + Relativistic as well.

The Relativistic aspect is not being denied, since he also block the light beam, the problem comes with his performance against 10% Rerir (bassicly almost did nothing) and it was stated to be almost kill by Phantom Rerir, so better just put 6-C, Possibly Low 5B

Post-Skirk Training should be a separate key from Moon Marrow Traveler

That was the intention

Where did you get Low 5-B for Post-Training Skirk Traveler?

Well u see Traveler in Skirk quest is equal to her, yet with moon marrow she doesnt seem impresse, impliying she still superior, so the moon marrow wasnt that big on an amp for Traveler

Tier: High 8-C | 7-C | 7-B, at least 6-C with Vision Buff | 6-C | 6-C | At least 6-C, possibly 5-B with Nightsoul's Blessing | Low 5-B | Low-5B, higher with Moon Marrow.

Key: Mondstadt Chapter | Liyue Chapter | Inazuma Chapter | Sumeru Chapter | Fontaine Chapter | Natlan Chapter | Skirk's Training | Nod-Krai Chapter

 

[MSahla]

the problem comes with his performance against 10% Rerir (bassicly almost did nothing) and it was stated to be almost kill by Phantom Rerir, so better just put 6-C, Possibly Low 5B

Wym he did nothing? Lol.
Did you see this cutscene? Traveler and Flins literally clashing against Rerir and they did not get one-shotted. Calling him almost did nothing is just crazy.

Well u see Traveler in Skirk quest is equal to her, yet with moon marrow she doesnt seem impresse, impliying she still superior, so the moon marrow wasnt that big on an amp for Traveler

Implied ≠ legit.
Theres a reason of why Skirk is only got "Possibly 4-C" now because she's implied to be superior than Neuvillette.

Also, i literally can't see when she looks not impressed to Moon Marrow traveler nor did she ever said something like that.

That Skirk Anecdote literally pre-luna 2, so thats before the Traveler fighting against 10% Rerir, The Traveler shouldn't get the Low 5-B from that whatsoever.

 

[MSahla]

That Skirk Anecdote literally pre-luna 2, so thats before the Traveler fighting against 10% Rerir, The Traveler shouldn't get the Low 5-B from that whatsoever.

 

[MSahla]

I literally just did Skirk's anecdote again last week by making a wish in Grand Narukami Shrine and the story is literally the same just like in Luna 1

 

[Puppet43]

Did you see this cutscene? Traveler and Flins literally clashing against Rerir and they did not get one-shotted. Calling him almost did nothing is just crazy.

Dude, if u check the cutscene in depth u would notice Flins spear barely touches Rerir hand and the sinner cassually just toss him around, meanwhile with Traveler he is having some trouble and needs to send him with a kick

That Skirk Anecdote literally pre-luna 2, so thats before the Traveler fighting against 10% Rerir,

Traveler nor the Moon Marrow dont get passively stronger, so its same power as he was in act 1 lol, is Rerir who gets stronger by searching kuuvahki

she's implied to be superior than Neuvillette.

Also, i literally can't see when she looks not impressed to Moon Marrow traveler nor did she ever said something like that.

She isnt implied to be superior to Neuvi, she is just implied to be able to handle the Narwhal too, Narwhal downscale at any case
Just look at the scan, her voice doesnt sound impressed and the game implies she stills superior

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Can someone @ mods so we can get if this gets passed or not?

 

[Puppet43]

Kisaragi_Megumi HELP US WITH THE MODS OF I RETIRE​

 

[MSahla]

Dude, if u check the cutscene in depth u would notice Flins spear barely touches Rerir hand and the sinner cassually just toss him around, meanwhile with Traveler he is having some trouble and needs to send him with a kick

??
When the scene change to Jahoda, its clearly that Flins also clashing with Rerir directly, you can see the clashes impact that they made.

Traveler nor the Moon Marrow dont get passively stronger, so its same power as he was in act 1 lol, is Rerir who gets stronger by searching kuuvahki

Its not the same, Moon Marrow already makes you stronger the moment it stored within you just as Columbina said.
The feats is on Luna 2.

Just at the scan, her voice doesnt sound impressed

This is literally Headcanon

 

[Puppet43]

??
When the scene change to Jahoda, its clearly that Flins also clashing with Rerir directly, you can see the clashes impact that they made.

Are we deadass scaling from particles instead of actual and veridical screen time?

The feats is on Luna 2.

Ok? Still same power just as Traveler who fought Ochkan = Traveler who fought Arle (raw stats), since guess what, THERE IS NO AMP OR POWER UP BETWEEN THE 2 VERSIONS

This is literally Headcanon

 

[MSahla]

Are we deadass scaling from particles instead of actual and veridical screen time?

??
They literally still fighting Rerir, what are u talking about?
This is just some bias shit and surprisingly, nobody even talking about it except me

Ok? Still same power just as Traveler who fought Ochkan = Traveler who fought Arle (raw stats), since guess what, THERE IS NO AMP OR POWER UP BETWEEN THE 2 VERSIONS

Who said its the same? Bros already had Moon Marrow within him which already makes him stronger

You're showing nothing, thats just what she sounds all the time

 

[MSahla]

If the Traveler already Low 5-B since Act 1, then Phantom Rerir is already Low 5-B which is stupid because we got the Low 5-B coming from his 10% in Act 3.

 

[Puppet43]

??
They literally still fighting Rerir, what are u talking about?

Yeah and the only one that actually put Rerir back for some time is Traveler, u can litterally check the cutscene, meanwhile Flins is tossed and actually never lands a hit

Who said its the same? Bros already had Moon Marrow within him which already makes him stronger

And he had it since Luna 1 act 1... bad memory ig?

If the Traveler already Low 5-B since Act 1, then Phantom Rerir is already Low 5-B which is stupid because we got the Low 5-B coming from his 10% in Act 3.

6-C, Possibly Low 5B

That would be Shadow Rerir
If u want a inverse perspective it would be like:

Rerir FP >>>>>> Rerir 10% > Traveler Moon Marrow >= Traveler Nod Krai Base / Skirk Training >> Shadow Rerir (Remind u this blud got oneshotted and blizted by base Nod Krai, u could arg he blocked some attacks in act 2 but still bro was against the wall against Traveler, this is why the rating would be Possibly)

You're showing nothing, thats just what she sounds all the time

CN text

實力提升了,看來上次分開後,妳也沒有忘記刻苦訓練。

The words in blue mean also haven't

Your skills have improved. It seems you also haven't forgotten to train diligently since we last parted ways.

Her line kinda implies she hasnt neither stop training
Btw idk if u forgot but this is what Skirk sounds around Traveler since her quest, she sounds more vivid, u would also think that the powe hungry characters gets impressed once her closest friend in the planet gets stronger than her, since he made a promise to her about defeating togheter her tyranic master

 

[MSahla]

Yeah and the only one that actually put Rerir back for some time is Traveler, u can litterally check the cutscene, meanwhile Flins is tossed and actually never lands a hit

"Never lands a hit" While theres literally an impact of him hitting Rerir

In this scene of Jahoda, you can differentiate which one is Traveler and which one is Flins. Yellow = Traveler, Blue = Flins.

And he had it since Luna 1 act 1... bad memory ig?

So how can you get the Low 5-B while it didn't even happen yet lmao. He got Low 5-B feats in Act 3 and 4.

The words in blue mean also haven't

Dude, i don't care if you bring the CN text because the line is just literally the same.

Her line kinda implies she hasnt neither stop training
Btw idk if u forgot but this is what Skirk sounds around Traveler since her quest, she sounds more vivid, u would also think that the powe hungry characters gets impressed once her closest friend in the planet gets stronger than her, since he made a promise to her about defeating togheter her tyranic master

Bro who tf scaling a character based on what their sounds like when they were talking, this is just literally a headcanon and bullshit. "Oh, she sounded like she didn't impressed by him, so she was stronger than him"

Everybody agree to this? Y'all buggin fr.

 

[MSahla]

Atp, i don't even care no more.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

tl:dr please? im trying not to break keyboard while playing abyss

 

[Puppet43]

"Never lands a hit" While theres literally an impact of him hitting Rerir
In this scene of Jahoda, you can differentiate which one is Traveler and which one is Flins. Yellow = Traveler, Blue = Flins.

U just proven my point

Are we deadass scaling from particles instead of actual and veridical screen time?

Worst part of all u would be ignoring the fact that he almost died to Shadow Rerir and the 10% Rerir he fought wasn't serious

So how can you get the Low 5-B while it didn't even happen yet lmao. He got Low 5-B feats in Act 3 and 4.

Because his power is still the same as act 3 and 4, lmao it hasn't change u can't proof it can't be scale because of later feats even do it has the same power in both acts

Bro who tf scaling a character based on what their sounds like when they were talking

U can perfeclty Character A to B if A is suprised by the power lvl of Character B, if character A is not surprissed and her character is entirely built on being stronger that means she still superior

 

[FentyBeauty]

Bro who tf scaling a character based on what their sounds like when they were talking, this is just literally a headcanon and bullshit. "Oh, she sounded like she didn't impressed by him, so she was stronger than him"

Everybody agree to this? Y'all buggin fr.

i did not agree with that!

 

[MSahla]

and the 10% Rerir he fought wasn't serious

"Wasn't serious" while he also participated in the final fight which is where Rerir is getting serious to kill them.



This team except Aino was fighting against Rerir directly for sometimes before Lauma and Flins got separated from Nefer and Traveler. (Lauma Upscale BTW)

U can perfeclty Character A to B if A is suprised by the power lvl of Character B,

Oh yeah, A 5-D being surprised or impressed by how strong is a 3-D being, so that 3-D being is stronger than that 5-D being because that 3-D being managed to impressed a 5-D being.

 

[TrueBK98]

Oh yeah, A 5-D being surprised or impressed by how strong is a 3-D being, so that 3-D being is stronger than that 5-D being because that 3-D being managed to impressed a 5-D being.

That's depending on the context tho. He could be impressed because what the 3-D char achieved is beyond his expectation. To be clear, I'm not defending Puppet's point. Just saying that your example is flawed, that's all.

 

[MSahla]

That's depending on the context tho. He could be impressed because what the 3-D char achieved is beyond his expectation. To be clear, I'm not defending Puppet's point. Just saying that your example is flawed, that's all.

But does that mean that 3-D person is automatically stronger because he made the 5-D person impressed? Not necessarily.

 

[TrueBK98]

But does that mean that 3-D person is automatically stronger because he made the 5-D person impressed? Not necessarily.

Well, he is stronger than expected at least.

 

[MSahla]

Well, he is stronger than expected at least.

What i mean is, does that mean that 3-D person automatically stronger than that 5-D person because he manage to impressed the 5-D person? Not necessarily. Because, who in the hell scaling their character based on their expression?

 

[Saqphire]

What i mean is, does that mean that 3-D person automatically stronger than that 5-D person because he manage to impressed the 5-D person? Not necessarily. Because, who in the hell scaling their character based on their expression?

Tell that to the people who scale based on how confident their character is at beating someone else lmao, Arlecchino still has indexed scaling to Archons because she was confident she could beat Furina based on her faulty knowledge that Furina was Archon tier (even though we don't even know if Arlecchino would even win if she was Archon tier even)

Not saying Arlecchino isn't Archon tier anyway, just that that argument is straight dookie

 

[MSahla]

Tell that to the people who scale based on how confident their character is at beating someone else lmao, Arlecchino still has indexed scaling to Archons because she was confident she could beat Furina based on her faulty knowledge that Furina was Archon tier (even though we don't even know if Arlecchino would even win if she was Archon tier even)

Not saying Arlecchino isn't Archon tier anyway, just that that argument is straight dookie

Why is that PedjaTarzan lmao

 

[Saqphire]

Why is that PedjaTarzan lmao

No clue