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Nuh uh, the glaze is backed up by evidenceEverything but this bro
The glaze gotta stop
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just chainscale other archons to benti bro keep my momvuika tier 4 UwU
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Actually my fellow there no reason to assume the strong archons such as Mavuika/Ei/Xbalanque/Zhongli are still at the power lvl of current Traveler, since they were equals to him in Natlan's act and he is now able to spar a 10% god tier, so yeah. Venti just had luck one of his enemies was fighted by post Skirk training Traveler
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Uhm uhh...UHH well! you see he implies zhongli could still be strong enough to blow him away! THIS MUST! mean that zhongi has some r r r relativity to him! so so because of this he MUST! be low 4-C and therefore all Archons would be low 4-C too!.
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This scan is talking about dragon in general, not just Durin.
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He is the blacksmither of Dragonspine's Spear, guess which vitality(life force) is that spear made off...
This arg was kinda bad, oh no the humble god says another god could throw him away in a current state (tier 8 and doesnt say even hurting or anything like that, just that Zhongli could punch hard enough to send a human vessel of less than 70 kg)
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okay il just use actual problems with this.
jumping from tier 6 to tier 4, even when accounting that we accepted 4-C nibelung which is only fine bcs the guy is literally amongst the strongest in genshin impact
having characters outside of that tier suddenly jumping millions of times above 24 teratons value is extremly outlierlish and inconsistent.
Ur not telling me that characters with consistent island to country level feats will jump into ability to destroy small stars simply bcs someone is 10% of their power, and the problem just spirals even more when we realise that no one actually in nod krai has the ability to fight rerir without genuenly getting no diffed into oblivion. You literally cannot downscale characters from rerir just because they managed to graze his asshole and trade 2 blows when his goal is to kill columbina, and even she got no diffed.
and how columbina the rank 3 of fatui harbinger would naturally be below capitano since capitano as rank 1 is the strongest fatui harbinger in general.(said top 3 are literally archon level backed up by capitano going band for band vs mavuika)
Speed wise im fine i dont rly care about that you can scale entire nod krai cast above any other cast but the tier being millions of times difference in ap value is just no.
I havent played act 2 of nod krai, so if there is anything that genuenly makes anyone from nod krai cast fight rerir without being amped into oblivion or getting no diffed ill consider the scaling just "far higher" into 6-B, otherwise tier 4 is just genuine no.
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okay sure i agree
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wait nvm i just read what pedja said so idk abt making everyone star lvl anymore but the speed is cool ig
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Yes, it's very good, I see.
There's just one part that makes me want to ask:
If Narwhal is scaled, Childe should get the scaling. Even though Childe lose, Childe fought Narwhal for quite some time. Shouldn't Childe, with Foul legacy, also get it (L4C)? A weakened Narwhal is strong enough to fight Neuvillette in his prime.
There's just one part that makes me want to ask:
If Narwhal is scaled, Childe should get the scaling. Even though Childe lose, Childe fought Narwhal for quite some time. Shouldn't Childe, with Foul legacy, also get it (L4C)? A weakened Narwhal is strong enough to fight Neuvillette in his prime.
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Honeslty i dont know, how does this affect the scaling between rest of the characters?
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Well, Childe can toe to toe with that whale for a long time and he's supposed to be weaker than the top 4 of harbingers. So, thats just an upscale for the top 4 to 1 and even the archons.
So, Mavuika and the rest of the archons are gonna be Low 4-C as well.
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how is whale low 4-C if he fought neuvi whos 4-C
and how does this upscale archons
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No i'm talking about Childe.
How is the whale Low 4-C? Ask Puppet who put this
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What im saying is that if Narwhal get the Low 4-C, then childe will get it too because bros fighting that whale for a long time. And because of he supposed to be weaker than the top 4 of the Harbingers, the top 4 of harbingers will get the Low 4-C. And the Top 4 of Harbingers are comparable to Archons, the Archons will get that Low 4-C too.
You know what im sayin..
You know what im sayin..
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this would be easier if the low 4-C value isnt coming from characters downscaling from rerir who unironically no diffs all characters who downscaled by fighting him
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Fck Low 4-C, lets just upgrade the speed because genshin have been stuck in mhs+
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Unfortunately for both of them, this is how Hoyoverse has decided to show a power creep to the Archons, with half a cast somehow scaling to Rerir. We have verses like Bhna's where they go from Low 7B to downscaling a High 6A feat for top tiers and sub-top tier (Basically the same as here) Rerir's narrative is somewhat glazed to be realistic; he is mentioned as being able to destroy the entire civilization of Teyvat, but in a cutscene in Act 4, Dainsleif is mentioned as being more powerful, so there are even inconsistencies with the statement.
- The Phantom Rerir and 10% Rerir are both capable of holding Traveler's (Moon Marrow) in equal grounds, so his amp wasnt that big (at least not big enough to be consider a oneshot lol)
- Flins was able to fight Phantom Reir several times, and it wasn't until the final battle that the sinner was slightly superior.
- Durin can absorb and maintain Rerir's power for a long time, meaning his durability should somewhat scale to Rerir's power
- I have some doubts about whether Varka should climb Rerir, but it's mentioned that she survived the encounter in the cavern at the end of Act 2, but not by much.
- Instead, it's more accurate to scale Nefer and the Traveler to Rerir, since it's mentioned that he was serious about trying to kill them and yet both were able to survive for a long period of time
- Even Pulonia is stated in game to had somewhat equal his powers
Columbina wouldnt even scale to his lvl, she has donne nothing, outside of her temporaly amp
Sure my Tsundere Queen
1st I don't see why Childe should be able to scale the Narwhal when, unlike Rerir's scaling, there's no evidence that they were equal or that Childe was ever able to damage it. (Even less consistent when Bro was oneshotted by Neuvi without authority who is narratively below Hydro Traveler)
2nd No, it wasn't weakend, you lowkey should read the text, Skirk only implies narwhal would be more aggresive
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I mean, in that cutscene when narwhal shows up in the court room, childe was able to scratch Narwhal.
I'm just still iffy on Durin. He's not relative to Bakunawa whatsoever.
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That scaling lowkey sucks "scratching"
just tell me u disagree with Narwhal's scaling (and still i would put him in the possibly)Rhinnedottir creations power's are depenedent on life force, if Bakunawa and Durin have almost similar life force that means they are equals
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Everything but Narwhal and DurinThat scaling lowkey sucks "scratching"
Rhinnedottir creations power's are depenedent on life force, if Bakunawa and Durin have almost similar life force that means they are equals
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Okay but how much of high 6-A feats does the verse have, bcs look we have only one tier 4 feat accepted and just tier 5 for sinner statements,
outside of that every other feat accepted does not reach higher than 6-B, which is why i pointed out tiering them into tier 6 ranges is not consistent, especially because we have 0 implications that rerir at 10% or anyone else comparable or just downscaling from him is superior to archons explicitly mentioned or just capable of one shotting them, thats the MAIN issue i have with this.
this is actually convincing, like i said i didnt play act 4 so since you have shown actual stuff i can see a merit for this. Pulonia Traveler and Flins can somewhat clash with Rerir, but again rerir is literally regarded as capable of defeating each and every of them with no difficulty so im not seeing direct tiering here. Especially how Pulonia was one shot in act 3 when they jumped on Rerir.
You may keep Durin, amped Columbina and ig Dainsleif idk what you meant when u said Dain is mentioned as being more powerful
damn all that hype for nothing
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I'm pretty sure Neuvillette said something like this.
Neuvillette explained that he had to thank Childe for holding back nawhal and fighting with Narwhal for a long time, this implies that Childe was indeed on par with Narwhal at that time, so I guess we can do some scaling.
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Nah, Durin fine
They just have 1 tier 6 calc (in the verse page)
This is why i propossed 4C just for Nibelung/Phanes and tier 5 for the rest of top tiers
Think of 10% Rerir as the Sukuna of JJK, only a few match his Full Attacks, Nefer and Traveler handle a serious with weapon Rerir (downscaling) and the rest would heavely downscaling because he wasnt serious and didnt have a weapon
Rerir teases Columbina in her amp saying "you arent powerfull enough" and Columbina says "i dont but i know someone else who is stronger than me" then Dain appears
He litterally explains earlier that the narwhal didnt emerge earlier because there wasnt a big juice building pack up with its main food source, lol. Childe part is pure glaze and has barely consistency since guess what, bro didnt saw what really happend down there, so how could he confirm something without saying? it much likely an hyperbole or talking from ignorance
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then thats..questionable to say (@CastoriceTheFifth whats your excuse vro)
Assuming moon marrow amps you on the level of the moon sister you can put rerir at 5-C for now its literally better that way since the gap isnt astronomical
(I dont believe in 4C physicals bcs its a creation feat while nibelung created AND destroyed the moons)
Major issue no2. you genuenly cannot downscale people from someone who was low diffing them while holding back and not having actual weapon or any other tool that makes him more dangerous
and like how tf is nefer who only uses her legs
to fight stronger than varka flins and columbina broDamn dain is him
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No, Neuvillette says that based on his own knowledge, even though he had not yet obtained his authority, he was already sensitive to the primordial sea. Neuvillette even knew that the Narwhal was a being from outside the world before he gained his authority. We can see this from the sequence of events where Childe disappeared in patch 4.1 and reappeared in patch 4.2, which implies that what Neuvillette said is true. And we can’t deny the fact that Childe really did fight the Narwhal, that alone is enough for scaling. I don’t want to turn this CRT into a long discussion, so this is enough, I just want to get this point across.
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disagree no one scales to 10% rerir the entire archon quest was hammered on him far above the rest , and they only distracted him and used his own power agaisnt him.
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Characters like the Traveler and Flins still managed to onpar with him for a while despite eventually got overwhelmed.
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they literally got stomped. They do not scale the entire quest was them weaker than reirr and distracting him.
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they have meet the standards for scaling, you can see the fight of pulonia, flins, traveler and columbina, they are enough to make rerir try to beat them, it is not easy
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Phainon was also got stomped by Zephyro yet they also put his feat fighting against Zephyro.
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That wasn't the main justification for its 3-B rating though, it's precisely him being able to incinerate several galaxies after that if anything
I agree with this, 10% Rerir is already stated to be capable of destroying Teyvat even if he wanted to. No one is capable of having this much "potential" other than Rerir himself, atleast in the main story only. The fact it took Dainsleif, someone who's apparently stronger than Rerir is enough that he massively upscales above everyone there and those who fought Rerir just downscales anyway
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Unless there's a proven feat of Rerir being faster in his complete form, I am not convinced he is FTL, as there's nothing suggesting his speed was divided up. Not to mention, it took several characters to take him on, even with a fraction of his power, so I'm also not convinced that any characters scale to him, considering they ultimately resorted to Dainsleif to seal him away.
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That "destroying Teyvat" referred to him when he's at his 100%.
At 10%, he's capable of destroying a whole nation.
Dainsleif ain't no stronger than him, if he is, bro would've been fighting alongside the traveler.
Dainsleif is just supporting them by maintaining the Moon Gate created by Columbina.
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