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Dante (DMC Netflix) VS Cunning Hares (ZZZ) (1-0-0)

to be fair, i think the hares going into the fight with knowledge that dante can regenerate would probably mean that they'd equate his regen to that of an ethereal, who's regen is generally weaker.
Aren't those the guys with Low-Mid regen?

the stuns of the status effects aren't like, super long to be fair, they usually only last about a second at most. it'd give the hares a chance to get in some quick attacks but i don't think it'd be a long enough stun to just say dante would be completely stun locked
How long does it take to apply? If it is pretty fast to apply with no cooldown, then the 3 members who can do that can take turns on who does it until dante is defeated

also, i mean, can't he just incap via knockout in that case? dante just needs to find an opening to grab one of the hares with his ludicrously superior LS, and then just bonk them over the head with his sword for a quick and easy KO
Well, no, he doesn't have enough AP to do that. I know that IRL, you can knock out someone pretty easily, but as far as things go here, Dante has no way of knocking out someone via sheer AP, not with one hit at the very least.
vital view also can't be spammed for the most part. there's a cooldown for it in-game iirc, so while the hares could use it to avoid attacks, they wouldn't be able to consistently spam it the entire fight.
You see buddy, I'm working with the information provided in the profiles, if the information is not there, I can't really work with it
and again, we don't really have a solid estimate of how fast dante would get corrupted, but i don't think it'd be blazingly fast enough to where he'd already start feeling the symptoms the second he gets hit by nicole's attack once.
The profile mentions it working faster and more intensenly on beings with flesh and blood, Dante has those two in abundance, Dante has no resistance to Corruption so it shouldn't be slower then normal humans being affected
he really just needs to find a chance to catch one of the hares off guard and just knock them out quickly
And that's the problem, he can really do it because he lacks the AP to do it, it would take multiple hits, and I don't think the other 3 would let Dante onslaught on someone of their team without doing anything.

i don't see why he just wouldn't target them, which would make things much easier for him if he managed to knock one or both of them out
His guns would break pretty easily, FE has Energy Projection but Dante has never seen using it (The main reason is because Dante only had the Force Edge for 1 minute and he one shotted the Season's bad guy with a stab, but it is still not something Dante has shown using)

also on an unrelated note i find it kind of funny how we're sort of arguing for our opposing sides lol
I mean, if you think about it, it makes sense '-'
 
Aren't those the guys with Low-Mid regen?
the DEB has low-mid regen yeah. thought high-low was higher than low-mid but i guess i was wrong, so that's on me

How long does it take to apply? If it is pretty fast to apply with no cooldown, then the 3 members who can do that can take turns on who does it until dante is defeated
it accumulates faster the more damage is dealt. since nekomata and billy are both physical, they'd be helping each other to inflict assault faster. corruption and shock would take longer though considering it'd just be nicole and anby dishing those out by themselvse

Well, no, he doesn't have enough AP to do that. I know that IRL, you can knock out someone pretty easily, but as far as things go here, Dante has no way of knocking out someone via sheer AP, not with one hit at the very least.
how much of an AP advantage do you need to have to knock someone out with a single hit? couldn't he also just like, try choking them out instead with superior LS?

You see buddy, I'm working with the information provided in the profiles, if the information is not there, I can't really work with it
fair enough

The profile mentions it working faster and more intensenly on beings with flesh and blood, Dante has those two in abundance, Dante has no resistance to Corruption so it shouldn't be slower then normal humans being affected
also fair, but again we don't really know long an average person can withstand ether corruption for before becoming corrupted. obviously nicole's attacks would be helping to inflict it faster, but my point still stands that i don't think it be fast enough to where dante would be immediately crippled

And that's the problem, he can really do it because he lacks the AP to do it, it would take multiple hits, and I don't think the other 3 would let Dante onslaught on someone of their team without doing anything.
also a fair point
 
it accumulates faster the more damage is dealt. since nekomata and billy are both physical, they'd be helping each other to inflict assault faster. corruption and shock would take longer though considering it'd just be nicole and anby dishing those out by themselvse
I see, it would still don't leave a lot of room for Dante to react/enough room for the Corruption lady to corrupt Dante, or at least, begin it

how much of an AP advantage do you need to have to knock someone out with a single hit?
8x

couldn't he also just like, try choking them out instead with superior LS?
If Dante ever tried to choke out someone, maybe, but alas, he never attempted and he has a sword, he probably won't even attempt it
also fair, but again we don't really know long an average person can withstand ether corruption for before becoming corrupted. obviously nicole's attacks would be helping to inflict it faster, but my point still stands that i don't think it be fast enough to where dante would be immediately crippled
He wouldn't be immediately crippled, but from what the profiles are hyping up said corruption, it doesn't seem like it'll take long enough. And from how you describe it, it works like a disease, so Dante will start being crippled by it before succumbing to it anyway.

Once again, Dante lacks any actual wincons in this scenario, it is very unlikely he can even take a single one of them out before he either dies from the damage he receives or he is corrupted, the advantages Dante has, those being AP, LS, skill and regeneration, don't really hold up to the hax the 4 have together
 
I see, it would still don't leave a lot of room for Dante to react/enough room for the Corruption lady to corrupt Dante, or at least, begin it


8x


If Dante ever tried to choke out someone, maybe, but alas, he never attempted and he has a sword, he probably won't even attempt it

He wouldn't be immediately crippled, but from what the profiles are hyping up said corruption, it doesn't seem like it'll take long enough. And from how you describe it, it works like a disease, so Dante will start being crippled by it before succumbing to it anyway.

Once again, Dante lacks any actual wincons in this scenario, it is very unlikely he can even take a single one of them out before he either dies from the damage he receives or he is corrupted, the advantages Dante has, those being AP, LS, skill and regeneration, don't really hold up to the hax the 4 have together
dang, guess those are fair enough arguments, can't really refute those

would making speed unequal make things more fair, or would that just give dante too big of an advantage at that point?
 
dang, guess those are fair enough arguments, can't really refute those

would making speed unequal make things more fair, or would that just give dante too big of an advantage at that point?
Stomp on the other direction, I personally think DT Eyes for him and speed unequal might be a sweet spot
 
Okay, here it is again. I've already switched to DT Eyes and unequal speed. I think the biggest change here is that with unequal speed, Dante has more opportunities to dodge and fight more comfortably in close combat, closing the distance against people like Billy or Nicole. But I'll wait anyway to see if Drite has anything else to add.
 
Awesome! Unfortunately, Drite is not currently with us today, this Drunk Drite typing this message, he doesn't think he can make a solid argument for either of them while Drunk, and he'll continue to be drunk for a few more hours and possibly tomorrow as well, so he'll let others speak and pray there is no FRA train before he can argue for Dante, gotta go now, I need to drink
 
How they getting passed his regen? Do they just beat his ass till stops?
 
Ok, I should have a decent amount of time for this

Let's get to the stats and advantages that come with everone here:

Dante:
-AP of 0.833 Tons of TNT
-Durability of 0.0716 Tons of TNT
-Speed of 1327.58 m/s
-LS of 18412.665 Tons

Cunnig Hare Ladies + Billy
-AP and Dura of 0.335 Tons of TNT
-Speed of 460 m/s
-LS of 83.175 Tons

That gives us a difference of 2.48x in favor of Dante's AP vs CH's Dura, a difference of 4.67x in favor of CH's AP vs Dante's dura, a difference of 2.88x in terms of speed and a difference of 221.37x in terms of Lifting Strength.

Let me repost the skill feats for Dante and Lady:
  1. When he shoots a demon while moving and when said demon is holding a hostage in his face
  2. When he shoots a lightbulb without even looking at it
  3. When he shoots Lady's foot gear while trying not to hit her
  4. When he shoots a small pipe while wall-running
  5. When Lady shoots a small target from very far away with a single bullet
  6. When Lady hits two small moving target while driving a car with a single bullet for each
I also can't fully post it since the battle is too big, but for skills with his sword, he was able to battle Cavaliere and a bunch of Demons while never being hit by the latter individuals, so it is a decent showing and according to ZZZ supporters, they currently don't have many skill statements or visual feats that match those (Not their exact words, just basically saying why they are not as skilled as Dante), but Anby and the Cat's analytical skills are pretty great so they shouldn't be disconsidered either. Worth noting that Dante wouldn't try to kill any of them outside of Billy, and even then, that's just a maybe, he might not attempt it since he just looks like a human using a mask, he probably wouldn't even try to maim or cripple any of them at all, just knock them out.

With those in mind, the CH have knowledge that Dante can regenerate, and decently fast, from any attack that are not made in his head, so they would prioritize hitting that over any other body part. CQC is hard for them, I believe only two of them prioritize CQC, with Dante being faster, a bit more skilled individually and with a sizeable LS advantage, it is probably not easy for them to directly engage against him. Their advantage is that Dante would not attempt to kill them while they don't seem to be against putting Dante 6 feet under.

Speed unequal makes Dante and maybe Billy's guns not as usefull, but not completely unusable, as Dante has been shot a few times despite being faster then bullets, as seen here, here, one more time when he was hit in the cheek during the Mercenaries invasion in episode 2, and one more time when Lady hit him in the foot. Basically, if Dante is distracted, Billy can probably land a shot, his W-Engine is not an Aim Hack but I think it would help him hit Dante in his head. Dante himself likely wouldn't use his guns to hurt any of the 4 so that point doesn't come into play.

Of course, you also have the Corruption Hax the Pink Haired Girl has. The speed difference might allow Dante to dodge it and the gravity wouldn't really suck Dante in due to the LS difference, but the AoE can likely take Dante off guard, at least at first. I don't know how many shots it'll take to corrupt Dante, but I don't know if oneis enough, since I was told it works like a disease, it can likely have some initiall lesser effects, so that might put Dante on Edge to not hit by it again, and even target that lady first.

Dante is very acrobatic and he never stops moving, examples of this are:
  1. When Dante faced a few demons in episode 1
  2. When he faced the mercenaries in episode 2
  3. When he faced Agni and Rudra
  4. In his fight with Cavaliere and the other demons (The fight is too big so this video has some cuts)
  5. And when he faced Mutated Rabbit
Combined with his speed advantage, getting to the ranged fighters shouldn't be too much of a hussle for Dante, but it would be obvious the others would see that and they would try to stop Dante from doing that. The CH don't seem to be as laid back as Dante, exception being Billy, but once Dante realizes these are not just random humans and their attack hurt like hell, he might take thigns more seriously, not full on "locked in" mode, I would say it is more serious then the Mercenaries but less serious then Cavaliere, both of which you lads can see in the above examples. Admittedly, the ZZZ lads also have acrobatics... I just don't know how good they are '-'

Other advantage the 4 have is Vital View and their stuns, Vital View apparently has a cooldown and their stuns might be a bit hard to pull off due to the speed difference, their damage boosts are quite powerfull if they can pull it off, the Cat would have a 6.7715x AP advantage by hitting Dante in the back, the Pink Haired Lady has an AP advantage of 5.604x, Anby's and Billy's Damage Boosts are a bit hard to say on my behalf since they use some terms I'm not familiar with, but Anby's Demara Battery puts her at a 5.3705x AP advantage and Billy can possibly have one of his damage boosts active, specifically, Steady Shot (7.005x) since he just doesn't need to move, and Dante might be too busy to get to him, so that boost might last a while.

Which means, the distance is even higher and I believe, if some of those conditions I don't really understand can be met, some of the 4 can one shot Dante

TLDR, what this battle can be summed up to is: Can Dante deal with the 4 CH before they kill/knock him out or before he can get fully Corrupted? In my personal opinion, that's very likely to happen. He is faster, better LS for the close fighters, a bit more skilled individually, and his regeneration can likely mitigate some of that big AP advantage the 4 innately have + their Damage Boosts (Outside of One shot scenarios which I don't know how likely it is)

Voting for Dante
 
Ok, I should have a decent amount of time for this

Let's get to the stats and advantages that come with everone here:

Dante:
-AP of 0.833 Tons of TNT
-Durability of 0.0716 Tons of TNT
-Speed of 1327.58 m/s
-LS of 18412.665 Tons

Cunnig Hare Ladies + Billy
-AP and Dura of 0.335 Tons of TNT
-Speed of 460 m/s
-LS of 83.175 Tons

That gives us a difference of 2.48x in favor of Dante's AP vs CH's Dura, a difference of 4.67x in favor of CH's AP vs Dante's dura, a difference of 2.88x in terms of speed and a difference of 221.37x in terms of Lifting Strength.

Let me repost the skill feats for Dante and Lady:
  1. When he shoots a demon while moving and when said demon is holding a hostage in his face
  2. When he shoots a lightbulb without even looking at it
  3. When he shoots Lady's foot gear while trying not to hit her
  4. When he shoots a small pipe while wall-running
  5. When Lady shoots a small target from very far away with a single bullet
  6. When Lady hits two small moving target while driving a car with a single bullet for each
I also can't fully post it since the battle is too big, but for skills with his sword, he was able to battle Cavaliere and a bunch of Demons while never being hit by the latter individuals, so it is a decent showing and according to ZZZ supporters, they currently don't have many skill statements or visual feats that match those (Not their exact words, just basically saying why they are not as skilled as Dante), but Anby and the Cat's analytical skills are pretty great so they shouldn't be disconsidered either. Worth noting that Dante wouldn't try to kill any of them outside of Billy, and even then, that's just a maybe, he might not attempt it since he just looks like a human using a mask, he probably wouldn't even try to maim or cripple any of them at all, just knock them out.

With those in mind, the CH have knowledge that Dante can regenerate, and decently fast, from any attack that are not made in his head, so they would prioritize hitting that over any other body part. CQC is hard for them, I believe only two of them prioritize CQC, with Dante being faster, a bit more skilled individually and with a sizeable LS advantage, it is probably not easy for them to directly engage against him. Their advantage is that Dante would not attempt to kill them while they don't seem to be against putting Dante 6 feet under.

Speed unequal makes Dante and maybe Billy's guns not as usefull, but not completely unusable, as Dante has been shot a few times despite being faster then bullets, as seen here, here, one more time when he was hit in the cheek during the Mercenaries invasion in episode 2, and one more time when Lady hit him in the foot. Basically, if Dante is distracted, Billy can probably land a shot, his W-Engine is not an Aim Hack but I think it would help him hit Dante in his head. Dante himself likely wouldn't use his guns to hurt any of the 4 so that point doesn't come into play.

Of course, you also have the Corruption Hax the Pink Haired Girl has. The speed difference might allow Dante to dodge it and the gravity wouldn't really suck Dante in due to the LS difference, but the AoE can likely take Dante off guard, at least at first. I don't know how many shots it'll take to corrupt Dante, but I don't know if oneis enough, since I was told it works like a disease, it can likely have some initiall lesser effects, so that might put Dante on Edge to not hit by it again, and even target that lady first.

Dante is very acrobatic and he never stops moving, examples of this are:
  1. When Dante faced a few demons in episode 1
  2. When he faced the mercenaries in episode 2
  3. When he faced Agni and Rudra
  4. In his fight with Cavaliere and the other demons (The fight is too big so this video has some cuts)
  5. And when he faced Mutated Rabbit
Combined with his speed advantage, getting to the ranged fighters shouldn't be too much of a hussle for Dante, but it would be obvious the others would see that and they would try to stop Dante from doing that. The CH don't seem to be as laid back as Dante, exception being Billy, but once Dante realizes these are not just random humans and their attack hurt like hell, he might take thigns more seriously, not full on "locked in" mode, I would say it is more serious then the Mercenaries but less serious then Cavaliere, both of which you lads can see in the above examples. Admittedly, the ZZZ lads also have acrobatics... I just don't know how good they are '-'

Other advantage the 4 have is Vital View and their stuns, Vital View apparently has a cooldown and their stuns might be a bit hard to pull off due to the speed difference, their damage boosts are quite powerfull if they can pull it off, the Cat would have a 6.7715x AP advantage by hitting Dante in the back, the Pink Haired Lady has an AP advantage of 5.604x, Anby's and Billy's Damage Boosts are a bit hard to say on my behalf since they use some terms I'm not familiar with, but Anby's Demara Battery puts her at a 5.3705x AP advantage and Billy can possibly have one of his damage boosts active, specifically, Steady Shot (7.005x) since he just doesn't need to move, and Dante might be too busy to get to him, so that boost might last a while.

Which means, the distance is even higher and I believe, if some of those conditions I don't really understand can be met, some of the 4 can one shot Dante

TLDR, what this battle can be summed up to is: Can Dante deal with the 4 CH before they kill/knock him out or before he can get fully Corrupted? In my personal opinion, that's very likely to happen. He is faster, better LS for the close fighters, a bit more skilled individually, and his regeneration can likely mitigate some of that big AP advantage the 4 innately have + their Damage Boosts (Outside of One shot scenarios which I don't know how likely it is)

Voting for Dante
welp, i was gonna say that i probably agree with this overall but uhhh, didn't expect the hypersonic calc to get approved so soon lol. unfortunate timing i guess
 
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How about that for a 1v1, granted, I don't think the calculation is fully accurate, the result should be possibly way lower. I'll try to comment on it once Naito post it on the Evaluation page or he asks me directly hopefully he won't mind if I ask him to do stuff for me if he asks me directly into my wall
 
How about that for a 1v1, granted, I don't think the calculation is fully accurate, the result should be possibly way lower. I'll try to comment on it once Naito post it on the Evaluation page or he asks me directly hopefully he won't mind if I ask him to do stuff for me if he asks me directly into my wall
Don't worry, I'm the one who will asked you to come there 👍🗿
 
How about that for a 1v1, granted, I don't think the calculation is fully accurate, the result should be possibly way lower. I'll try to comment on it once Naito post it on the Evaluation page or he asks me directly hopefully he won't mind if I ask him to do stuff for me if he asks me directly into my wall
It's technically ready but there's other variations such as this one that uses cutting, any can be used I just need SOMETHING for the Void Hunters dawg
 
There's still one last hope with the building cutting feat she did. Will let you know when I have that ready.
 
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