Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[CodeCCLL]

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How so this is useless nvm

I actually have a scan that will let us do that even without them. Slimereader missed it entirely and OTL just messed up

Isn't it actually a worthy thing? I mean, we are keep discussing meaning of different kanjis and how everything depends on context. Our language barrier doesn't let us fully grasp author's intentions. But if Japanese fans see feats as universal, it should actually hold some value for us. If they see characters as universal, then feats like Zalario destroying dimensions may be interpreted in the old way.

https://natalie.mu/comic/pp/tsukimichi
but cool tsukimichi author and Fuse double interview

Other shounen animes : characters trains to learn new techniques and gain more power

Tensura: characters trains more to control ,lower their power and their attacks areas so they don't end up destroying the world

What should Breakdown Nostalgia be considered?

Option 1: Comparable to Big Bang (time and space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) [Baseline Low 2-C]

Option 2: Comparable to Big Bang (space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) [Baseline 3-A]
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Black_Cat49/_Tensura_WN:_Breakdown_Nostalgia

Option 3: Comparable to this explosion. (This may be the largest known explosion in the Universe since the Big Bang). [Very very very above of 4-B Baseline (5 × 10^54 Joule)]

Your favorite foursome creates the greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe

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Option 4: Comparable to a standard multi-directional explosion that destroys the solar system, starting from the surface of the planet. [Very Above of 4-B Baseline (1.053x10^47 Joule)]

Dragon Ball Z: Cell gets out of Baseline

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[Berga14]

Option 1: Comparable to Big Bang (time and space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) [Baseline Low 2-C]

Option 2: Comparable to Big Bang (space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) (space) [Baseline 3-A]
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Black_Cat49/_Tensura_WN:_Breakdown_Nostalgia

Ap wise one of these 2.
Also, i still don't understand why the solar sistem statament is used for AP when it's DC. There is a literall barrier defining its range.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

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What should Breakdown Nostalgia be considered?

Option 1: Comparable to Big Bang (time and space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) [Baseline Low 2-C]

Option 2: Comparable to Big Bang (space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) (space) [Baseline 3-A]
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Black_Cat49/_Tensura_WN:_Breakdown_Nostalgia

Option 3: Comparable to this explosion. (This may be the largest known explosion in the Universe since the Big Bang). [Very very very above of 4-B Baseline (5 × 10^54 Joule)]

Your favorite foursome creates the greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe

vsbattles.fandom.com

Option 4: Comparable to a standard multi-directional explosion that destroys the solar system, starting from the surface of the planet. [Very Above of 4-B Baseline (1.053x10^47 Joule)]

Dragon Ball Z: Cell gets out of Baseline

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Ap wise Low 2-C, it's not a DC/Range feat to begin with. I'll just give a part of the CRT from my sandboxes:

Spoiler: "EXPAND"

Breakdown Nostalgia
So basically, there's also the thing about how the greatest feat since Volume 21 (not including V22), aka Breakdown Nostalgia, has such a low "Range" (Solar System) despite being able to destroy 2-C durability cardinal planet and more. Well, here's the thing:
Breakdown Nostalgia is not even a range feat to begin with
Indeed, it's not even a range feat, it's purely an AP feat. Let's look at the statements that prove that. First off, the entire thing is enclosed in a barrier, and the energy CANNOT leak outside that:

That’s why he was the first to jump into subspace. Zegion arrived soon after, located on the opposite side from him. Benimaru had the least experience with this, so he was still positioned pretty close to the safety zone. Diablo, meanwhile, had showed up way in the back, the most dangerous place to be. From Deeno’s point of view, they had formed an equilateral triangle, and to the outside observer, they had formed a four-sided pyramid with Deeno on top and the other three below.

Everything was ready.
This ritual required at least four people to work. Ramiris was the one who suggested it, since they had a quartet, and Diablo was all
“keh-heh-hehheh-heh, how interesting” in response. Zegion silently agreed as well, with Benimaru and Deeno saying yes to it a beat later. However, this ritual was just as dangerous as the place they were in.

Ignoring Diablo for the moment, it’ll be with Zegion and Benimaru, huh? Wow… The magicules are rising again, aren’t they? (Deeno's thoughts)

He had seen Zegion in the previous battle, so he could understand him, although he wish he didn’t. But now, at some point, Benimaru had become as powerful as Deeno in “serious” mode, too. He wondered why but didn’t have the energy to bring it up. Instead, he focused on the plan.

“Careful, now!” came an anxious warning from Ramiris. The real show would begin once everyone had reached their designated positions. Two people could connect the dots between each other to create a one dimensional line, three would create a two-dimensional plane, and four would make a three-dimensional space.

Each of them stood at a vertex of this pyramid, their target point in the center. What they were trying to do, in other words, was to have each person smash their finisher move from the edges of the completed pyramid into the abandoned Floor 30 perched at the center. It was much more than a layered magic circle—instead, they were forming a three-dimensional spatial magic circle.

But this is gonna take an insane amount of power. Like, seriously.

Deeno held his breath. The more he thought about it, the more insane this felt. He had gotten carried away enough to play along with this, but now that he was more collected before the big moment, he was really starting to sweat the danger. The other three seemed a lot more enthusiastic.
OTL V21C4

There, in the abandoned part of the labyrinth, a colorless sort of polar light was blooming, bathing the subspace in dazzling hues. It was a beautiful and truly worthy tribute. But the power inside was greater than anything seen since the beginning of the universe, creating a truly calamitous amount of destructive force. This disaster filled the insides of the pyramid, constructed so as to keep the power from escaping.

Quartet Skill: Breakdown Nostalgia
OTL V21C4

As you can see, the skill requires 4 people, and the ritual involves forming a pyramid shaped barrier that keeps the energy from escaping and literally destroying everything. This also means the spatial magic barrier they formed has THAT much durability to be able to keep that insane amount of energy inside.
Even more so, each person aims their attack at the very center, and Diablo's attack was even stated to produce damage equal to experiencing the end of the world on a LOCAL scale:

“Got it. I’ll be going full power on this!”

He honed his spirit, focusing his entire consciousness so he could unleash the best blow possible—and at that moment, his six pairs of black and white wings began to shine. An immense power began to concentrate around his twin swords of golden holiness and dark depravity.
“Fallen Crusade!!”
The blades of white light and black shadow left afterimages in the air as they beautifully crossed each other at the center of the pyramid. Then, at that very moment, a garden of skills began to bloom with staggering intensity.

“Prominence Acceleration!”
“…End-of-World Requiem.”
“…Devastator Storm!”

Prominence Acceleration, released by Benimaru, required no introduction —it was, needless to say, his strongest technique.

Diablo’s End-of-World Requiem was the ultimate in illusory and elemental destruction magic, simulating the destruction of the world to cause catastrophic local damage. It was Diablo’s own invention, the most powerful of his secret Arts—a combination of skill, technique, and magic.

Finally, Zegion’s Devastator Storm was an even more vicious evolution of Dimension Storm, Zegion’s ultimate finisher that had been powered up by everything Zeranus had entrusted him with. Each of them had broken out the greatest power they could possibly produce. All these astounding techniques, released without a moment’s delay between them, reached the center of the pyramid at exactly the right moment, overlapping exactly with what Deeno released first.

So yeah, this is CLEARLY an AP feat more than anything, and its range is extremely limited (only solar system level) due to that pyramid (part of the attack itself) that prevents the energy from escaping.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Low 2-C, turn null energy included, and it’s said just a little bit can destroy the world, the cardinal world in context.

 

[AlexSamDen]

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What should Breakdown Nostalgia be considered?

Option 1: Comparable to Big Bang (time and space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) [Baseline Low 2-C]

Option 2: Comparable to Big Bang (space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) [Baseline 3-A]
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Black_Cat49/_Tensura_WN:_Breakdown_Nostalgia

Option 3: Comparable to this explosion. (This may be the largest known explosion in the Universe since the Big Bang). [Very very very above of 4-B Baseline (5 × 10^54 Joule)]

Your favorite foursome creates the greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe

vsbattles.fandom.com

Option 4: Comparable to a standard multi-directional explosion that destroys the solar system, starting from the surface of the planet. [Very Above of 4-B Baseline (1.053x10^47 Joule)]

Dragon Ball Z: Cell gets out of Baseline

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Honestly, while I do consider this to be at least L2C, I think we will have to be careful about Space-time big bang in the verse, due to how GS of Time is currently treated

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

 

[CodeCCLL]

Honestly, while I do consider this to be at least L2C, I think we will have to be careful about Space-time big bang in the verse, due to how GS of Time is currently treated

If the Great Spirit of Time is a real type 1 concept, it can exist without it's object, so there is no problem in the Big Bang/Turn Null's power creating time.

 

[AlexSamDen]

If the Great Spirit of Time is a real type 1 concept, it can exist without it's object, so there is no problem in the Big Bang/Turn Null's power creating time.

It's not in this sense, it's in the sense that GS of Time exists in all spacetimes in existence and an explosion basically creating a part of it feels out of place. I can stand corrected though

 

[CodeCCLL]

It's not in this sense, it's in the sense that GS of Time exists in all spacetimes in existence and an explosion basically creating a part of it feels out of place. I can stand corrected though

The Great Spirit of time is abstractly connected to all time, and in order to create and manipulate time in verse, you have already to use the Great Spirit of Time (Or the other spirits with time attributes derived from it) unless you are God.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

It's not in this sense, it's in the sense that GS of Time exists in all spacetimes in existence and an explosion basically creating a part of it feels out of place. I can stand corrected though

Time exists both in limited spaces (continuums) and throughout it all. We already have statements if different worlds having their own flow and axis of time and being different continuums, so I don't see the problem here.

Hyper time also exists, after all. If it feels strange, just treat GS of Time as that.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

On another note, I feel like I should create a future thread for separating great spirits from attributes.

While I was the one who established that originally being the same, my opinion has changed over the year.

Spirits= Physical phenomena in their pure form. So for example, Spirit of fire is fire itself, spirit of space is space itself, and that of time is time itself.

Great Spirits= The ultimate accumulation of all Spirits and from which all of them are derived as offshoots. Still reducible/mutable due to the offshoot thing.

Both Spirits and Great Spirits are still just embodiments of Attributes.

Attributes: Truly abstract, unchangeable/immutable laws (unless through external intervention like magic or skills, a system created by Veldanava, a higher being), and governs the whole cosmology.

 

[Ultimuru]

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What should Breakdown Nostalgia be considered?

Option 1: Comparable to Big Bang (time and space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) [Baseline Low 2-C]

Option 2: Comparable to Big Bang (space) (technically greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe) [Baseline 3-A]
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Black_Cat49/_Tensura_WN:_Breakdown_Nostalgia

Option 3: Comparable to this explosion. (This may be the largest known explosion in the Universe since the Big Bang). [Very very very above of 4-B Baseline (5 × 10^54 Joule)]

Your favorite foursome creates the greatest explosion seen since the beginning of the universe

vsbattles.fandom.com

Option 4: Comparable to a standard multi-directional explosion that destroys the solar system, starting from the surface of the planet. [Very Above of 4-B Baseline (1.053x10^47 Joule)]

Dragon Ball Z: Cell gets out of Baseline

vsbattles.fandom.com

I am leaning more for option one or two. If Fuse used comparison to the beginning of the universe, then I think he meant it. Also I doubt he googled Ophiuchus Supercluster or hoped readers will know what is this. So I think he wanted to refer Big Bang directly here.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Boty Soirirts

What ( ・◇・)？

 

[Ultimuru]

On another note, I feel like I should create a future thread for separating great spirits from attributes.

While I was the one who established that originally being the same, my opinion has changed over the year.

Spirits= Physical phenomena in their pure form. So for example, Spirit of fire is fire itself, spirit of space is space itself, and that of time is time itself.

Great Spirits= The ultimate accumulation of all Spirits and from which all of them are derived as offshoots. Still reducible/mutable due to the offshoot thing.

Boty Soirirts and Great Spirits are still just embodiments of Attributes.

Attributes: Truly abstract, unchangeable/immutable laws (unless through external intervention like magic or skills, a system created by Veldanava, a higher being), and governs the whole cosmology.

Whatever you say, Fuse.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

What ( ・◇・)？

Typo ಥ⁠‿⁠ಥ

Whatever you say, Fuse.

Me not Fuse, Gramps!

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Damn it, this wait is killing me
I WANT V23 PREVIEW FASTTTTTT!!!!

 

[Ultimuru]

Me not Fuse, Gramps!

My mom says you are. Are you trying to say my mom is lying? >_>

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

My mom says you are. Are you trying to say my mom is lying? >_>

My great Grandma is still alive?!?!

 

[Bahaha]

Attributes: Truly abstract, unchangeable/immutable laws (unless through external intervention like magic or skills, a system created by Veldanava, a higher being), and governs the whole cosmology.

That makes them not unchangeable/immutable.. Even if it's external or internal, any change disputes the notion that they're unchangeable. Besides, attributes definitely have an origin from the Great Spirits, so they have a cause. If it has a cause, then it must be subject to change.

Only the Great Holy Spirit is actually unchangeable/immutable imo

 

[Lycoris4812]

Ok, so our verse page kinda sucks visually rn, so I made a blog and changed it up. Tell me what you guys think. Do note that most of the changes are seen best on a computer. Mobile doesn't really show everything. And there will be WN pictures and stuff, I just was lazy and didn't include them in the blog. But also, I didn't know if people wanted the same photos for the WN and LN. If not, I can find different ones, or I was thinking that having all the WN photos in black and white would look nice.

TenSura

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Things I've changed:

• Japanese logo to clear background so it matches the English one.
• Summary pictures.
• Reworded and added more hax to the WN powers of the verse, and then made one for the LN cause that was missing. I'll edit it to fit the current state of the verse if people want me to replace the current verse page with my blog.
• Took stuff out of that long tabber and made everything flow down.
• Reworded explanations.
• Reworded calculations.
• Rearranged characters and their groupings. Ask me about my reasoning or point out mistakes.
• Added actual good colored pictures for characters. Colored LN > colored Manga > anime
• Added new characters that I will be working on. (I'll have everything I'll be working on in this blog)

I'll also revise pictures in character profiles, because we have a lot that suck.

@Astral_Trinity439 @CodeCCLL

 

[Ferno1234]

Me not Fuse, Gramps!

Your are bud
Your The writer of Tensura.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

That makes them not unchangeable/immutable.. Even if it's external or internal, any change disputes the notion that they're unchangeable.

Only the Great Holy Spirit is actually unchangeable/immutable imo

In that sense, yes, only a tier 0 can TRULY he immutable/irreducible.

But for convenience's sake, we also put a lesser version of those qualities for qualitatively higher things. Like a 1-A is immutable and irreducible to a non 1-A from a non 1-A perspective.

It's similar to how we say 1-A is Aspatio-temporality but only a tier 0 can be such in the truest sense.

Besides, attributes definitely have an origin from the Great Spirits, so they have a cause. If it has a cause, then it must be subject to change.

Attributes are laws created by Veldanava. Great Spirits are derived from them, not the other way around lol

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Ok, so our verse page kinda sucks visually rn, so I made a blog and changed it up. Tell me what you guys think. Do note that most of the changes are seen best on a computer. Mobile doesn't really show everything. And there will be WN pictures and stuff, I just was lazy and didn't include them in the blog. But also, I didn't know if people wanted the same photos for the WN and LN. If not, I can find different ones, or I was thinking that having all the WN photos in black and white would look nice.

TenSura

vsbattles.fandom.com

Things I've changed:

• Japanese logo to clear background so it matches the English one.
• Summary pictures.
• Reworded and added more hax to the WN powers of the verse, and then made one for the LN cause that was missing. I'll edit it to fit the current state of the verse if people want me to replace the current verse page with my blog.
• Took stuff out of that long tabber and made everything flow down.
• Reworded explanations.
• Reworded calculations.
• Rearranged characters and their groupings. Ask me about my reasoning or point out mistakes.
• Added actual good colored pictures for characters. Colored LN > colored Manga > anime
• Added new characters that I will be working on. (I'll have everything I'll be working on in this blog)

I'll also revise pictures in character profiles, because we have a lot that suck.

@Astral_Trinity439 @CodeCCLL

Peak
Add Dimensional Manipulation to LN one btw, was recently accepted

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Your are bud
Your The writer of Tensura.

If I was Fuse I wouldn't be dying for V23 preview tho? ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ

 

[Ultimuru]

If I was Fuse I wouldn't be dying for V23 preview tho? ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ

Speaking of. When usually previews for volumes drops?

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Speaking of. When usually previews for volumes drops?

Usually, A week before the release date .

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Speaking of. When usually previews for volumes drops?

Last time a week before iirc
And took about 2 days to translate accurately

 

[Community_Gamer]

Ok, so our verse page kinda sucks visually rn, so I made a blog and changed it up. Tell me what you guys think. Do note that most of the changes are seen best on a computer. Mobile doesn't really show everything. And there will be WN pictures and stuff, I just was lazy and didn't include them in the blog. But also, I didn't know if people wanted the same photos for the WN and LN. If not, I can find different ones, or I was thinking that having all the WN photos in black and white would look nice.

TenSura

vsbattles.fandom.com

Things I've changed:

• Japanese logo to clear background so it matches the English one.
• Summary pictures.
• Reworded and added more hax to the WN powers of the verse, and then made one for the LN cause that was missing. I'll edit it to fit the current state of the verse if people want me to replace the current verse page with my blog.
• Took stuff out of that long tabber and made everything flow down.
• Reworded explanations.
• Reworded calculations.
• Rearranged characters and their groupings. Ask me about my reasoning or point out mistakes.
• Added actual good colored pictures for characters. Colored LN > colored Manga > anime
• Added new characters that I will be working on. (I'll have everything I'll be working on in this blog)

I'll also revise pictures in character profiles, because we have a lot that suck.

@Astral_Trinity439 @CodeCCLL

W

 

[Community_Gamer]

Time exists both in limited spaces (continuums) and throughout it all. We already have statements if different worlds having their own flow and axis of time and being different continuums, so I don't see the problem here.

Hyper time also exists, after all. If it feels strange, just treat GS of Time as that.

Hyper time...in Tensura huh?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Hyper time...in Tensura huh?

That's nothing surprising, it was in WN too
Yuuki destroyed the Space Time Continuum yet Time still flowed as the world (hyper time) wasn't destroyed.

Same in WN with different characters and a slightly different wording that's harder to work with.

But eh, the whole "Time doesn't just flow in bounded/limited space, Suspended World stops time and space across all worlds" is there.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Man, istg my brain had a seizure reading this.

My point is, that's impossible. The Chloe from the next cycle only travels back in time some time after the Chloe from the previous cycle dies. The Chloe from the previous cycle was the last Chloe to travel back in time before the next one. Since she already traveled back, lived her life, and died, she's no longer 2000 years in the past. Therefore, there's absolutely no chance of the next Chloe meeting another Chloe 2000 years in the past.

The amount of sense this makes is literally in negatives ಥ⁠‿⁠ಥ

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Man, istg my brain had a seizure reading this.


The amount of sense this makes is literally in negatives ಥ⁠‿⁠ಥ

Unless there are different timelines

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Anyway,

Tensura CRT : Adalmanns ability addition and a New Key Creation

Yet another thread by me and yeah, this is another ability addition along with a slight change to the description of a certain ability and A new Key for Adalmann. 1. Currently, Adalmann has Necromancy listed on his profile under this: Necromancy ( Can keep creating more undeads from corpses)...

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Also, @Astral_Trinity439, I didn’t add any abilities based on Demon Lord Haki since I’m not sure what its effects are.

 

[CodeCCLL]

me what you guys think

Before applying the changes, just compare it with the current one and make sure you haven't accidentally removed anything important.

If not, I can find different ones, or I was thinking that having all the WN photos in black and white would look nice.

Good idea, but I think even no images wouldn't be a problem for WN.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Ok, so our verse page kinda sucks visually rn, so I made a blog and changed it up. Tell me what you guys think. Do note that most of the changes are seen best on a computer. Mobile doesn't really show everything. And there will be WN pictures and stuff, I just was lazy and didn't include them in the blog. But also, I didn't know if people wanted the same photos for the WN and LN. If not, I can find different ones, or I was thinking that having all the WN photos in black and white would look nice.

TenSura

vsbattles.fandom.com

Things I've changed:

• Japanese logo to clear background so it matches the English one.
• Summary pictures.
• Reworded and added more hax to the WN powers of the verse, and then made one for the LN cause that was missing. I'll edit it to fit the current state of the verse if people want me to replace the current verse page with my blog.
• Took stuff out of that long tabber and made everything flow down.
• Reworded explanations.
• Reworded calculations.
• Rearranged characters and their groupings. Ask me about my reasoning or point out mistakes.
• Added actual good colored pictures for characters. Colored LN > colored Manga > anime
• Added new characters that I will be working on. (I'll have everything I'll be working on in this blog)

I'll also revise pictures in character profiles, because we have a lot that suck.

@Astral_Trinity439 @CodeCCLL

Can you please change the images? I just can't bear to see how anime did Granbell and several other people. Plus I see that this was created some time ago, so several statistics have to be changed

 

[Ultimuru]

Hyper time...in Tensura huh?

For SOME REASON word "hyper" started to give me weird vibes.

Iykyk

 

[Lycoris4812]

Peak
Add Dimensional Manipulation to LN one btw, was recently accepted

I added to both LN and WN, I think both are accepted.

Before applying the changes, just compare it with the current one and make sure you haven't accidentally removed anything important.

I will.

Good idea, but I think even no images wouldn't be a problem for WN.

Since you like the black and white, I'll do that.

Can you please change the images? I just can't bear to see how anime did Granbell and several other people.

There's not really any colored LN or manga images I could find for the characters with anime pics, if you find some I can change it.

Plus I see that this was created some time ago, so several statistics have to be changed

Are you talking about the calculations? Or the verse powers, I will change the verse powers to reflect what it is now when I add it.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

There's not really any colored LN or manga images I could find for the characters with anime pics, if you find some I can change

Well… currently I have Yuuki ,Clayman (though I’m not sure if it’s usable or not, so maybe you can use this one instead?, Kagali and Elmisia

 

[AlexSamDen]

There's not really any colored LN or manga images I could find for the characters with anime pics, if you find some I can change it.

Honestly, it being colored or not doesn't bother me at all, only the overall quality is important

Are you talking about the calculations? Or the verse powers, I will change the verse powers to reflect what it is now when I add it.

The second

 

[AlexSamDen]

Actually, while we're at the topic of images, here's a question: Who do you think the anime did dirty the most?