Yes, I understand a little of what you're explaining. So, everything must follow these concepts for it to be considered universal, right?
Thing is that it “depends” on leylines for existence but as a substance rather than participating in it. You can’t “prove it” because its shown that it functions completely differently from a universal to begin with.
Hmmm, a leyline is a concept in itself, not a sub-concept of a Type 2 concept, but a leyline is a Type 2 concept in itself.
I agree with it, because I have not found any evidence that the concept supports any reality, perhaps if the opposition could prove this, I would definitely agree with cm1.
You’re just… assuming this.
Imaginary Energy is literally just the same as Leylines but at a much greater scale. That’s it. IE is only even getting CM3 because you can technically make certain conceptual things out of it.
I vaguely recall that leylines contain information and concepts. Just as the ancient clans that supported the Natkan people also originated from leylines.
hmm, alright
Yea… this is just IM2. This is what I’ve been saying for quiteeeee a bit now
Already since the page 3, we all dont fw the h3a anyways so we just moved the topic to Istaroth's HDE
I dont know how they will get low 2c ap due HDE. HDE does not give the character any ap.
Read the thread bro
I have read it, which statement gives them low 2c exaclty? Might miss something
Nah, 10% shouldn’t be Low 2-C. Fiction in general isn’t consistent with percentages and it’s not like the genshin devs really ever considered that Rerir is equivalent to “10% of a timeline”
Just start reading from the page 3 onward
This Universe+ rating will cause chainscaling problems indeed.
I have the same thoughts too
A summary please, will be hard to find the reasoning here. As far as I see main argument is HDE, Istaroth's manipulations on timeline
Istaroth is the entire timeline itself basically, with the genshin universe being the same as our IRL one, so it fits the standards for Low 2-C whilst being 4D in existence
She's literal "Time" itself and embodying the entire timeline across past present and future, we already got the back up for that by the statement that she's "Every Moment"
Embodiyng concept should be Abstract Existence or something like that. As for Phanes, if they are universal, why would cover Teyvat with a barrier and isolate it. Their actions a bit contradictive with statements about them. Aslo by universe do we mean leaf of imaginary tree or whole of it? Afaik Hoyo treats the tree as a universe.
Its a massive outlier to scale anyone to low 2-C in general when it comes to evey feat/statement genshin has shown, its only because Istaroth has enough evidence for low 2-C HDE that she can be low 2-C other shades genuenly do not posses that and its only bcs of scaling chain istaroth makes by fighting sovereigns and nibelung that this is possible
She already got that Abstract Existence obviously.
Ehh, not really, why not anyway and thats not contradicting to the statements.
Leaf World.
In fact I’m planning on removing CM ngl. At least Type 2 that is. But Istaroth gets it for being the temporal dimension itself.
Only characters that completely scale to full-power Istaroth should get the tier. Which honestly makes me kind of sus for the seven dragon sovereigns but eh, maybe they’re even more OP than I thought. Haven’t played the story past Fontaine
Okay.. So let's get the votes
Still, kinda suspicious to me, maybe this is about being universal within Teyvat? Universal also can mean something for everybody and everything. Aside from that, this is more like conceptual manipulation for me.
Damn, was about to argue for Hyperversal Flins
Why? Is it gonna be cm1
They got the potential, like Neuvillette himself claiming he's strong enough to judge the rest of a gods and finally the heavenly principles themself.
Nope, i already respond for those who think "its only worldwide in teyvat not literal universal" In that CRT, you should just read everything from the page 3 and onward.
Temporal dimension is 1D. Probably you mean timeline.
Bump
I don't think i said anything about tiering, i just said their authority work in universal scale
Well the standards just don’t really fit CM is all, especially when you consider that all the statements about concepts are merely about the Shades imposing certain Laws on Teyvat—not that the universals themselves were created there.
We define a temporal dimension here in VSBW as “the set of all spatial snapshots whose cardinality is Aleph 1”.
Only their concepts get HDE. That is, until I try and remove them. After that, it’s only 4D hax.
Serious or sarcasm, I cant get which one.
