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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Iirc her massive amount of energy was specifically stored in Infinite Prison because her body couldn't properly contain the power. It's only Chronoa that can properly utilize it and stop time properly at first not Chloe. This referenced during the spar against Guy.
Yeah, I know about that, but I’m pretty sure both Chloe and Chronoa were in control while fighting Jiwu.
 
Does being hypersonic prevent you from hitting a wall?
Hypersonic beings don't just go backwards or forwards in time to a point where the wall didn't exist, but immeasurable speed can. Immeasurable speed characters can even dodge cause and effects so really only an omnipresent attack through all time and space targeting them or another immeasurable speed character can "tag" them.
 
Yes but they starting and stop in timing with their strikes. However Dagruel is maintaining it for long stretches while fighting so that makes sense. Also did you mean 40M not 400M?
I'm pretty sure there was also a statement either from Michael or from Dagruel that deactivating time stop and activating it again wastes too much energy and is in effect. I'll look for that scan.

And yeah, mb about the EP. It's 40M. But that's for Dagruel alone, Asura prolly has far higher.
Also correct me if I'm wrong but EP also considers physical ability no? If we don't know the ratio then couldn't his strength significantly contribute to the value?
It's the overall Energy, so physical energy (ability) counts too yeah.
Hypersonic beings don't just go backwards or forwards in time to a point where the wall didn't exist, but immeasurable speed can. Immeasurable speed characters can even dodge cause and effects so really only an omnipresent attack through all time and space targeting them or another immeasurable speed character can "tag" them.
Thats some logic, but the thing with Infons is that they don't do anything until the user commands them to.

But then again, they can just go to a past/future where the void doesn't exist, so the Void can have history erasure, perhaps.
 
Not available in my country
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Can't see shi, Yahoo is blocked
 
Question from yahoo.jp not fuse

転スラについての話でよく出てくるのがミリムの力が世界を壊しかねないことや、虚無崩壊の力が扱いを間違えると世界が滅びるなど他にも世界が大変になる等のニュアンスを聞きますがこの場合の「世界」というのはリムルたちが住む星のことなのか、それとも基軸世界という宇宙のことを指すのかがわからない。もし仮に宇宙のことを指すならリムルたちが住む星はやろうと思えば宇宙を崩壊させられる者たちが多く住んでいるということですか?


Response

基軸世界、つまりは宇宙単位を指します実際にクロエがミリムを加速させた影響でエネルギー増幅速度が爆増、ドラゴノヴァで基軸世界が消滅していますので転スラのキャラたちの破壊力が総じて低いのは「攻撃範囲より一極集中させた威力」を優先して鍛えているからで、連発できる環境が整いさえすれば割とみんな宇宙規模の破壊が可能ですそもそも次元断層を結界として流用している時点で大概ですから虚無エネルギーも、暴走の結果大量に召喚してしまうとダグリュールがやったような相殺ができなくなるので宇宙が消失しますまた、天災級であれば通常時でも星単位の破壊は割とみんな可能ですヴェルグリンドが熱線砲により小惑星蒸発ができると明言されている箇所もありますし

 
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Planet level 🌎
 
Question

転スラについての話でよく出てくるのがミリムの力が世界を壊しかねないことや、虚無崩壊の力が扱いを間違えると世界が滅びるなど他にも世界が大変になる等のニュアンスを聞きますがこの場合の「世界」というのはリムルたちが住む星のことなのか、それとも基軸世界という宇宙のことを指すのかがわからない。もし仮に宇宙のことを指すならリムルたちが住む星はやろうと思えば宇宙を崩壊させられる者たちが多く住んでいるということですか?


Response

基軸世界、つまりは宇宙単位を指します実際にクロエがミリムを加速させた影響でエネルギー増幅速度が爆増、ドラゴノヴァで基軸世界が消滅していますので転スラのキャラたちの破壊力が総じて低いのは「攻撃範囲より一極集中させた威力」を優先して鍛えているからで、連発できる環境が整いさえすれば割とみんな宇宙規模の破壊が可能ですそもそも次元断層を結界として流用している時点で大概ですから虚無エネルギーも、暴走の結果大量に召喚してしまうとダグリュールがやったような相殺ができなくなるので宇宙が消失しますまた、天災級であれば通常時でも星単位の破壊は割とみんな可能ですヴェルグリンドが熱線砲により小惑星蒸発ができると明言されている箇所もありますし

Peak shi
A fine addition of a scan to my explanation in the staff thread sandbox (⁠^⁠3⁠^⁠♪
 
Question

転スラについての話でよく出てくるのがミリムの力が世界を壊しかねないことや、虚無崩壊の力が扱いを間違えると世界が滅びるなど他にも世界が大変になる等のニュアンスを聞きますがこの場合の「世界」というのはリムルたちが住む星のことなのか、それとも基軸世界という宇宙のことを指すのかがわからない。もし仮に宇宙のことを指すならリムルたちが住む星はやろうと思えば宇宙を崩壊させられる者たちが多く住んでいるということですか?

Response

基軸世界、つまりは宇宙単位を指します実際にクロエがミリムを加速させた影響でエネルギー増幅速度が爆増、ドラゴノヴァで基軸世界が消滅していますので転スラのキャラたちの破壊力が総じて低いのは「攻撃範囲より一極集中させた威力」を優先して鍛えているからで、連発できる環境が整いさえすれば割とみんな宇宙規模の破壊が可能ですそもそも次元断層を結界として流用している時点で大概ですから虚無エネルギーも、暴走の結果大量に召喚してしまうとダグリュールがやったような相殺ができなくなるので宇宙が消失しますまた、天災級であれば通常時でも星単位の破壊は割とみんな可能ですヴェルグリンドが熱線砲により小惑星蒸発ができると明言されている箇所もありますし

And this the translation:
Question (translated):
In discussions about Tensura, we often hear things like “Milim’s power could destroy the world,” or that “if the power of Nihility Collapse (Kyomu Hōkai) is mishandled, the world would perish,” and other similar phrases implying catastrophic consequences for the “world.”
In this context, what exactly does “world” mean? Is it referring to the planet where Rimuru and others live, or to the axis world—that is, the universe itself?
If it refers to the universe, does that mean the planet where Rimuru and others live is home to many beings capable of destroying the universe itself if they wished to?


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Response (translated):
It refers to the axis world, meaning on the scale of the universe.
In fact, due to Chloe accelerating Milim, the rate of energy amplification skyrocketed, and as a result, the axis world was erased by Dragon Nova.

The reason the Tensura characters’ destructive power generally appears “low” is because they focus their training on concentrating power into a single point rather than widening the area of effect.
If they were in an environment where they could attack repeatedly, most of them could indeed perform universe-level destruction.

Even the fact that they can repurpose dimensional layers as barriers is already extraordinary.
Regarding Void Energy (Kyomu Energy), if one were to summon it in large amounts due to loss of control, it would reach a point where even someone like Dagruel couldn’t neutralize it, resulting in the universe disappearing.

Also, anyone at the Calamity-class (Tensai-kyū, i.e., “Disaster level”) or higher can normally destroy planets quite easily.
There’s even a part explicitly stating that Velgrynd’s thermal beam can vaporize asteroids.
 
But, we might get volume 23 illustrations this week and maybe a preview if we are lucky.
Something that I am looking forward to other than Volume 23 is how the Book version of vacation will change especially if Fuze wanted to implement some of the stuff from the manga adaptation. We could even learn more about space in the cardinal world and what "sea of stars" entails.
 
Summary of V12 from V13.5
COMMENTARY — “A Future That Once Was”

According to what Chronoa told Rimuru about the “future she once experienced,” it was a horrifying and tragic timeline:

Veldora was defeated by the Empire, triggering a world war.

Rimuru’s death caused Milim and Guy to clash in battle.

Rimuru eventually revived, but by then, Tempest had fallen and Veldora had vanished.

Searching for his surviving friends, Rimuru encountered Chronoa, who fought on using only her “will to destroy.”

Chronoa was defeated by Guy, and at the moment she died in Rimuru’s arms, something happened — sending her back to the past (the Spirit’s Dwelling).
 
Rimuru's abilities and other stuff from page 56 and 57 from V13.5
The Unfathomable Slime Seeking Coexistence Between Humans and Monsters

In the depths of the Jura Forest, within a sealed cave overflowing with magicules, a single slime was born.
That slime was none other than the reincarnation of Satoru Mikami — a salaryman from another world who lost his life after being stabbed by a thug.

His first encounter was with the Storm Dragon, Veldora, who became his friend and bestowed upon him a name — Rimuru.
From there, Rimuru united the monsters of the Jura Forest, becoming their ruler.
Eventually, he established the Jura Tempest Federation and ascended even further, awakening as a Demon Lord and earning his place among the “Eight-Star Demon Lords (Octagram).”

Even after achieving such heights, Rimuru remains, at heart, a gentle pacifist — kind to a fault and unable to refuse when relied upon.
His ultimate goal is to create a world where humans and monsters can coexist peacefully.
He harbors no ambition for world domination, yet his growing power and expanding territory inevitably push him down a path of conquest, regardless of intent.


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TOPIC 1: The Reborn Slime Body

Rimuru’s appearance is that of a smooth, jellylike white dumpling.
As a slime, he has no need for sleep, food, or even breathing.
He also doesn’t reproduce, thus having no gender — though, perhaps due to his former life as a man, he seems to be fond of women.


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TOPIC 2: Striving for the Ultimate Comfortable Life!

Rimuru’s greatest goal is simply to live comfortably — ideally, at the same standard as modern Japan.
He devotes himself to infrastructure development, such as introducing flush toilets, and is especially obsessed with food.
He often recreates dishes from his memories, much to Hinata’s exasperation.


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Abilities

Main Skills and Powers

King of Gluttony (Beelzebuth)

King of Wisdom (Raphael)

King of Storm (Veldora)

King of Covenant (Uriel)

Infinite Regeneration

Demon Lord’s Haki

Universal Perception

Multilayer Barrier

Black Flame and Lightning


Upon reincarnation, Rimuru gained the skill Predator.
After devouring the Orc Disaster, he absorbed and merged its ability Starved One (Welmuno), evolving Predator into Gluttony.
When he later evolved into a Demon Lord, he integrated Merciless One into Gluttony, producing the ultimate skill King of Gluttony (Beelzebuth).

Likewise, upon his demon lord evolution, his unique skill Great Sage fused with Degenerate, evolving into the ultimate skill King of Wisdom (Raphael).
This led to rapid progress in analyzing the Infinite Prison, enabling Veldora’s release.
By connecting their souls through a corridor, Rimuru acquired King of Storm (Veldora) and, further evolving Infinite Prison, also obtained King of Covenant (Uriel).

Aside from these skills, he has mastery of elemental and spirit magic.
His advanced demon summoning contributes greatly to Tempest’s military strength, and he excels not only in combat but also in many other fields.
Combined with his various resistances and infinite regeneration powered by magicules, Rimuru is virtually indestructible.
 
Some ability pages
Shuna:
Ability
Main Skills, etc.

Analyzer (Satoru-mono) / Creator (Umidasu-mono) / Dignity / Holy Magic

In addition to possessing combat strength through Holy Magic, this individual also has many support-type skills.
Among them, “Analyzer (Satoru-mono)” is a skill that functions much like Rimuru’s Predator, but specialized in analysis — it allows one to analyze a target just by sight, without consuming it.
Through “Creator (Umidasu-mono)”, which enables material transformation, it is also possible to create various kinds of objects.
Shion:
Ability
Main Skills, etc.

Battle God Transformation / Divine Eye / Cook (Sabaku-mono) / Perfect Memory

When Rimuru awakened as a Demon Lord, the skill “Cook (Sabaku-mono)” was granted to her as a blessing (gift).
It is a powerful ability that allows her to overwrite a target to achieve her desired outcome.
Through Perfect Memory, she evolved into a semi-spiritual lifeform capable of regeneration even if her physical body is destroyed.
By utilizing Battle God Transformation, she boasts overwhelming strength in close combat — ranking among the top fighters of the Monster Nation (Tempest).
I guess we might as well give Shion's chef info manip type 2.

Beni:
Ability
Main Skills, etc.

Grand Marshal (Suberu-mono) / Flame Control / Black Flame

As befits the young leader of the Oni Tribe, he possesses the unique skill “Grand Marshal (Suberu-mono)”, making him a commander capable of bringing out the full potential of his allies.
In solo combat, he specializes in fire-type attacks and boasts high combat power, supported by numerous resistances such as immunity to status ailments and nullification of physical attacks.
He can also use multiple barriers and spatial movement, and while not quite on Rimuru’s level, his wide range of skills makes him an almost all-purpose fighter.
Old man Hakuro:
Ability
Main Skills, etc.

Martial Artist (Kiwameru-mono) / Intimidation / Ki Combat Technique / Sky Eye

A master swordsman who has perfected his swordsmanship through years of training and countless battles.
His unique skill “Martial Artist (Kiwameru-mono)” grants him the authority of “Sky Eye”, which allows him to precisely sense the flow and magnitude of magicules.
He also employs the art “Ki Combat Technique (Kītōhō)”, enabling him to freely control his own demonic aura in battle. His seasoned fighting style is truly worthy of the title “Sword Demon.”
Chloe (peak) and Rimuru's insane rizz:
Tempest Federation (Magokurenpō)
Human – Chloe

“This time, I swear—we’re all going to survive.”

A “Masked Hero” who has journeyed through two thousand years of repeating time.

A girl from another world with beautiful black-silver hair, taken in by Rimuru after being entrusted by Yuuki. Normally quiet and reserved, she becomes cheerful and innocent around Rimuru—and when it comes to him, her motivation burns brightly. She’s close with Kenya and the others, one of the children taught by Shizu. But in truth, she is none other than Chloe Aubert, the childhood friend sought by Demon Lord Leon.

Because of her unique skill, she was trapped within the cycle of reincarnation through time (the wheel of time)—each time Hinata died, Chloe’s soul would be sent back into the past together with Hinata’s, forcing her to relive everything again and again.

After being revived in the present era, Chloe became more open about her feelings for Rimuru, alongside her other personality, Chronoa. During the Great Empire Invasion, she relentlessly pursued Jiwu, who had attempted to assassinate Rimuru.
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TOPIC 1: Chronoa

To prevent conflict with her future self—the Chloe who would later come to this world—she had Luminous seal away “Chronoa.”
Because Chronoa lacked a dominant personality, she was prone to rampage. However, with the help of a replica of the Anti-Magic Mask made by Rimuru, Chloe managed to awaken her soul within her spiritual world, achieving coexistence between her two selves.
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TOPIC 2: Connection with Shizu

It was Chloe, in the state where her soul was sealed by Luminous and carrying Hinata’s soul, who once handed Shizu the Anti-Magic Mask and saved her—thus becoming known as the “Hero.”
Hinata’s soul waited for the reincarnation of Sakaguchi Hinata herself, while Chloe continued to live on as the Hero in the meantime.
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CHLOE:

“Even in timelines (時間軸) where I have no memories of the past or future, I fell in love with you, Rimuru. This feeling will never lose to anyone.”

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Ability

Main Skills and Abilities:
Lord of Space-Time (Yog-Sothoth) / Absolute Severance / Infinite Prison

She possesses magicule quantities equal to or exceeding those of a high-ranking spirit, and is highly skilled in magic.
However, she prefers close combat, wielding the Moonlight, a slender rapier entrusted to her by Hinata.

Her skill “Absolute Severance” wields power comparable to an Ultimate Skill, capable of slicing off Veldora’s arm.
Though not yet under full control, her Ultimate Skill “Lord of Space-Time (Yog-Sothoth)” grants time manipulation, including the ability to stop time—a power that can only be described as a cheat.

As a Hero, her combat ability rivals that of the Imperial Royal Guard Knights.
 
Goatdora:
Demon Lord Federation
Dragon Species
Veldora

"A gentleman like me has no reason to go on a rampage so easily!"

Rimuru’s first friend is the playful Storm Dragon.

Veldora is one of the four strongest beings in the world, a dragon species with the epithet “Storm Dragon,” classified as an S-rank Catastrophe-level (Disaster-class) monster. Being “an individual and perfect in itself,” even if he is destroyed, he can resurrect somewhere in the world. He met Rimuru in a cave where he had been sealed for 300 years by the hero’s skill “Infinite Prison”, and they became friends. Veldora has a simple, easygoing personality, is flattered easily, and can get carried away. He is very curious, fond of humans, and has a somewhat lonely side. After being released from the Infinite Prison, he settled in Tempest using Rimuru’s clone as a vessel, managing dungeons, immersing himself in manga, participating in festivals, and enjoying a carefree life to the fullest.

TOPIC: The Master of the Dungeon

As the final boss of the underground dungeon (Dungeon), Veldora resides on the hundredth floor, the deepest part. Here, he releases the magical energy he had restrained to live in humanoid form. Thanks to this, monsters appear throughout the dungeon, making him literally the master of the labyrinth.

Topic 2: The Hero’s True Identity

After Chloe’s time-leaping incident became clear, it was revealed that the one who sealed Veldora was Hinata, who had been inside the hero. Previously, during a battle in the dungeon, she forced Veldora to reveal all of his abilities through every means possible.

Demon Lord Federation Spirit
Karis

The Ifrit that had possessed Shizu. He bonded with Veldora inside Rimuru’s stomach and was revived as his assistant. Perhaps because Veldora named him, he evolved into the Flame Lord, a fire spirit king, and now recognizes himself as a different being from before.

VELDORA: "I am Rimuru’s greatest ally! That position is non-negotiable. But, well, I also enjoy spending every day having fun with everyone here!"

Abilities
Main Skills, etc.

King of Investigation (Faust)

Storm-based magic

Telepathy

Immunity to natural influences

Immunity to status ailments


Even while sealed, his magical energy is so vast that he is a world-level threat. His combat ability is extremely high, specializing in storm-based magic. Thanks to Rimuru’s skill “King of Storms (Veldora)”, he is practically immortal as long as Rimuru exists. He is one of the strongest forces in the Demon Lord Federation.
Goatroach:
Demon Lord Federation
Demon Tribe
Diablo

"As expected of Rimuru-sama… to deal such mental damage to me so easily…"

The primal black (Noir), one of the twin pillars of the strongest demons, is completely infatuated with Rimuru-sama.

When Rimuru awakened as a Demon Lord, Diablo was summoned as a high-ranking demon general (Archdemon) using twenty thousand corpses as offerings. He is the oldest demon, called the Primal Black (Noir), and through being named, he took on a physical form and evolved into a Demon Lord, becoming the strongest demon. While cunning and calculating in true demon fashion, he is utterly devoted to Rimuru and now serves faithfully as his butler. He constantly tries to praise Rimuru at every opportunity, to the point even Rimuru finds it annoying—but he never gives up. Under Rimuru’s orders, he handles diplomacy and covert operations across nations successfully. However, because he never wants to leave Rimuru’s side, he recruits other demons to handle “trivial matters,” bringing them under Rimuru’s command.

TOPIC 1: A Demon Obsessed with Battle

Diablo initially refused evolution and showed little interest in becoming stronger, which was unusual for a demon. In reality, it was because if he became too strong, battles would become boring. In this sense, he is a truly demon-like battle fanatic.

TOPIC 2: The Ruthless Battle for Chief Secretary

Diablo and Shion, Rimuru’s secretary, constantly compete to see who is more suitable for the position of Chief Secretary. While Shion is far more capable, Diablo appreciates her enthusiasm, and they recognize each other’s strengths in a mutual acknowledgment of skill.

DIABLO: "Everyone except Rimuru-sama is trash! But the Chief Secretary has been trying hard… so I can’t deny her efforts, can I, Shion?"

Abilities
Main Skills, etc.

Great Sage (Motomumono)

Tempter (Otosumono)

Demon Lord’s Presence


Great Sage (Motomumono) is similar to Rimuru’s Great Sage, but more versatile, allowing not only accelerated thought but also manipulation of laws. Tempter (Otosumono) senses the slightest rebellious intent in anyone who has been defeated, instilling fear of execution and forcing near-total obedience—making it a terrifying ability.
 
I think this site needs more staff to balance out evaluating the hundreds of verses

I understand you, it's true that there are a lot of verses and that vsbw suffers from a huge lack of staff, I really think they should add staff, it's been a month since the 3 discussion threads for adding abilities for Veldanava were opened, and to this day I think only one of the three has been accepted (or maybe 2 out of 3), it's still annoying to have to wait almost a month and a half or even almost 2 months for some discussion threads to be accepted.
 
"The reason the Tensura characters’ destructive power generally appears “low” is because they focus their training on concentrating power into a single point rather than widening the area of effect."

GUYS WE HAVE OUR OWN "KI CONTROL" EXCUSE 💓
Other shounen animes : characters trains to learn new techniques and gain more power

Tensura: characters trains more to control ,lower their power and their attacks areas so they don't end up destroying the world
 
And this the translation:
This is pretty crazy as it blatantly confirms that planetary was only for low tiers and universal was always intended for top tiers and god tiers. I think what's more interesting is that the barriers created by things like Distortion Field and Multidimensional Barrier are actually manipulation of the space-time itself not just a created construct. Interesting. If this taken literally wouldn't you need higher dimensional power destroy these barriers? At least if you are simply using force.
 
This is pretty crazy as it blatantly confirms that planetary was only for low tiers and universal was always intended for top tiers and god tiers. I think what's more interesting is that the barriers created by things like Distortion Field and Multidimensional Barrier are actually manipulation of the space-time itself not just a created construct. Interesting. If this taken literally wouldn't you need higher dimensional power destroy these barriers? At least if you are simply using force.
It isn't from fuse, I got it from yahoo so I could see what the japanese fans perceive the power of the verse as.
 
It isn't from fuse, I got it from yahoo so I could see what the japanese fans perceive the power of the verse as.
Isn't it actually a worthy thing? I mean, we are keep discussing meaning of different kanjis and how everything depends on context. Our language barrier doesn't let us fully grasp author's intentions. But if Japanese fans see feats as universal, it should actually hold some value for us. If they see characters as universal, then feats like Zalario destroying dimensions may be interpreted in the old way.
 
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