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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

Milim literally nukes Chloe any time of the day. Average redditors ig ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯
They were wanking her because Chloe defeat Michael without problem especially her reverse fate ability too and said she can defeat most of characters including god tiers with that ability and they were underestimating milim even though among all characters she is the one who deserves to be wanked since she is veldanava's daughter and volume 22 proved my point and shut them up
 
I agree, but wasn't Chrnoa said to rival Veldora in energy?

That’s not concrete , we don’t know if that was energy while sealed or not . And honestly, I don’t think Raphael’s statement was all that accurate, considering she couldn’t even estimate the Chaos Dragon’s energy, which should be considerably lower than Veldora’s. We also don’t know for sure if Veldora in Volume 11 actually had 88 million EP, though I think he did based on several statements.

Lastly, we know that Chloe merged with her future self and gained a huge amount of energy, which was later stored inside Unlimited Imprisonment , so that might be that energy(I think?).

And in Volume 13, Chloe barely had enough energy to activate SW and was struggling against Jiwu.
 
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They were wanking her because Chloe defeat Michael without problem especially her reverse fate ability too and said she can defeat most of characters including god tiers with that ability and they were underestimating milim even though among all characters she is the one who deserves to be wanked since she is veldanava's daughter and volume 22 proved my point and shut them up
Was reading Chronoa(past era) vs Leon on Reddit , funny how some people said she have an EP advantage over Leon based on Volume 12 statements, while forgetting that before that event, she had already received a huge amount of energy from her future self.

And how she can supposedly counter Leon’s Disintegration with Infinite prison just because she knows about it, while forgetting the fact that Leon has better control over spiritrons than even Luminous.
 
That’s not concrete , we don’t know if that was energy while sealed or not . And honestly, I don’t think Raphael’s statement was all that accurate, considering she couldn’t even estimate the Chaos Dragon’s energy, which should be considerably lower than Veldora’s.
Well, Veldora actually says the same in Veldora's Journal about Chronoa having comparable energy to his own, so do with that what you will
 
Well, Veldora actually says the same in Veldora's Journal about Chronoa having comparable energy to his own, so do with that what you will
I've already addressed that
That’s not concrete , we don’t know if that was energy while sealed or not . And honestly, I don’t think Raphael’s statement was all that accurate, considering she couldn’t even estimate the Chaos Dragon’s energy, which should be considerably lower than Veldora’s. We also don’t know for sure if Veldora in Volume 11 actually had 88 million EP, though I think he did based on several statements.

Lastly, we know that Chloe merged with her future self and gained a huge amount of energy, which was later stored inside Unlimited Imprisonment , so that might be that energy(I think?).

And in Volume 13, Chloe barely had enough energy to activate SW and was struggling against Jiwu.
That was the spirit from the future who brought an excess of energy from future .

 
Guys from the translations we can definitely get immeasurable speed back for the verse, plus possibly a new profile for All-In-One(though wait for volume 23 imo)

Specifically digital lifeforms can have infinite/immeasurable speed guaranteed, spiritrons and information particle attacks can have immeasurable speed attack speed bc they both instantly move through space and time.
 
Guys from the translations we can definitely get immeasurable speed back for the verse, plus possibly a new profile for All-In-One(though wait for volume 23 imo)

Specifically digital lifeforms can have infinite/immeasurable speed guaranteed, spiritrons and information particle attacks can have immeasurable speed attack speed bc they both instantly move through space and time.
Watch certain people standing up and saying it's teleportation.
 
SLF aren't affected by natural attacks, so obviously they aren't by temperature
Of course, but a few hours ago I was wondering where the description “the four natural elements: fire, water, earth, and wind, and their derived effects like temperature, acid, and electricity," etc on the Tensura Wiki came from. So it was pretty funny to me.
 
Guys from the translations we can definitely get immeasurable speed back for the verse, plus possibly a new profile for All-In-One(though wait for volume 23 imo)

Specifically digital lifeforms can have infinite/immeasurable speed guaranteed, spiritrons and information particle attacks can have immeasurable speed attack speed bc they both instantly move through space and time.
Iirc it wasn't physical movement that was argued at the end, but them not using it outside of SW
 
Iirc it wasn't physical movement that was argued at the end, but them not using it outside of SW
They also argued that information particles cannot move through time. This disproves that notion. Plus since information particles can cross space-time even outside SW then no reason for digital lifeforms to not be able to do that as well. EVEN IF we somehow don't get immeasurable speed, we still have infinite speed perception and thought speed for being able to instantly think in 0 time
 
I'm pretty sure their having BDE Type 1 was also argued as a disqualifier for immeasurable speed ( That's why their perception speed is limited to FTL, which doesn’t make sense based on their own reasoning)
honestly stupid because the whole reason digital lifeforms become digital lifeforms was to utilize information particles nature of transmitting information in 0 time (HOW ciel and rimuru were able to think in SW before becoming DL BTW) to counter SW.
 
Like SW slows down the world to 0 time, while information particles move and transmit information in 0 time so naturally becoming informational entities to move and think in 0 time is pivotal for the story so they must get infinite speed right?? Nope VSbattle thinks otherwise
 
I've already addressed that

That was the spirit from the future who brought an excess of energy from future .


Yeah I know it was spirit from the future, I specifically mentioned Veldora saying it because your earlier passage was implying Chronoa being comparable to Veldora is only based off of Raphael saying it, which yeah I can see why one would be iffy on that since Ralph couldn't measure the Chaos Dragon's energy like you said. As for the energy storing part, I guess? Fair point there.

Also hmm 🤔 idk if I'd say Jiwu was matching Chloe exactly. It's made clear Chloe would've won in a straight up fight, but Jiwu was running away and doing everything to keep distance between them. Chloe seemingly lacked abilities to close the gap outside of SW.
And tbf, Chloe not being able to activate SW properly was because her and Chronoa lacked the computational ability to do so and not really power, with the high cost in power being because of their lack of control. I'm pretty sure it was also implied Raphael assisting with the calculations would've been enough to manage the ability had Chloe and Chronoa recovered enough energy after their failed attempt and wouldn't have needed to borrow power from Rimuru.
Been a minute though so I guess I'll recheck the fight laterrrrrr

(Btw can't see the imgur image on my end for some reason. Has days where it works and days it don't. Not sure why atm)
 
Guys from the translations we can definitely get immeasurable speed back for the verse, plus possibly a new profile for All-In-One(though wait for volume 23 imo)

Specifically digital lifeforms can have infinite/immeasurable speed guaranteed, spiritrons and information particle attacks can have immeasurable speed attack speed bc they both instantly move through space and time.
Watch certain people standing up and saying it's teleportation.
I'm pretty sure their having BDE Type 1 was also argued as a disqualifier for immeasurable speed ( That's why their perception speed is limited to FTL, which doesn’t make sense based on their own reasoning)
I think we'd have better luck arguing infinite speed but tbh I blame Fuse' inconsistent speed statements
 
Yeah I know it was spirit from the future, I specifically mentioned Veldora saying it because your earlier passage was implying Chronoa being comparable to Veldora is only based off of Raphael saying it, which yeah I can see why one would be iffy on that since Ralph couldn't measure the Chaos Dragon's energy like you said. As for the energy storing part, I guess? Fair point there.

Also hmm 🤔 idk if I'd say Jiwu was matching Chloe exactly. It's made clear Chloe would've won in a straight up fight, but Jiwu was running away and doing everything to keep distance between them. Chloe seemingly lacked abilities to close the gap outside of SW.
And tbf, Chloe not being able to activate SW properly was because her and Chronoa lacked the computational ability to do so and not really power, with the high cost in power being because of their lack of control. I'm pretty sure it was also implied Raphael assisting with the calculations would've been enough to manage the ability had Chloe and Chronoa recovered enough energy after their failed attempt and wouldn't have needed to borrow power from Rimuru.
Been a minute though so I guess I'll recheck the fight laterrrrrr

(Btw can't see the imgur image on my end for some reason. Has days where it works and days it don't. Not sure why atm)
The calculation was just one reason; the second was energy. She lost most of her energy trying to use time stop, and it was later revealed that time stop consumes an enormous amount of energy. Additionally, during her fight with Guy, most of the power used was actually Guy’s. Even then, it doesn’t make sense, considering if her EP is comparable to Veldora’s , her reserves should be far too large to deplete within just a few seconds.
 
The calculation was just one reason; the second was energy. She lost most of her energy trying to use time stop, and it was later revealed that time stop consumes an enormous amount of energy. Additionally, during her fight with Guy, most of the power used was actually Guy’s. Even then, it doesn’t make sense, considering if her EP is comparable to Veldora’s , her reserves should be far too large to deplete within just a few seconds.
So basically Chloe is tensura's kakashi she has great hax but her stamina is sucks
 
@AlexSamDen I was reading the Misery booklets and Veldora’s journal, and it seems that spiritual lifeforms have resistance to Tempresor lol.
Finally found what I was looking for. There's this from volume 12

OTL
A holy undead? What kind of joke was this? It was unholy, if anything, but Adalmann’s Holy-Evil Inversion made it a reality. And as a spiritual life-form, Adalmann had natural resistances to each kind of elemental attack.

Slimereader
Since Adalmann and his team were dead spirits, they were resistant to all types of attribute attacks. Physical attacks, too, were almost useless against them
Even then, it doesn’t make sense, considering if her EP is comparable to Veldora’s , her reserves should be far too large to deplete within just a few seconds.
This would unquantifiable though, no? The backlash from failing to properly manage SW
 
I'm pretty sure their having BDE Type 1 was also argued as a disqualifier for immeasurable speed ( That's why their perception speed is limited to FTL, which doesn’t make sense based on their own reasoning)
Which is nonsensical if you put it like that btw. We assume BDE1 lacks space and time elements and don't trace a path in it, not that they can't travel in it even if willingly. That's pretty much why there's that "we assume it's BDE1 but they have AP equivalent to the baseline reality or that which they are in" (along those lines).
Iirc it asn't physical movement that was argued at the end, but them not using it outside of SW
Which is also nonsense considering in V11 Guy and Chloe's fight was described by Rimuru as frame skipping. Going by the downgrade's logic, that means Guy and Chloe were reactivating time stop again and again, yet here we have Dagruel with 400M EP (tensura X), more than Guy's and Chloe's combined EP, saying reactivating time stop again and again takes wayyy to much energy.
Could completeness and nothingness get us transduality. The "-ness" also means it's in a state/quality of being both complete and empty. That might help us with getting it to 1A and beyond.
An Omni attribute/quality to be specific. I'm waiting for V23 hoping for more info so I can get a solid tier 0. Otherwise onto reaidmg all the Japanese source material for finding more statements like Diablo's 🫡

Current info we have on Godhead
  • It's All-in-One. Flawless. Self-sufficient, lacking absolutely nothing.a
  • It doesn't have any sentience, feeling, or sense (according to Ivarage's explaination).
  • It sees everything as an illusion and a dream.
  • It's the Ultimate Truth/Reality (whatever Veldora's stuff gets translated to).
  • It's beyond change/causality.
  • You can't simply "stack" power/strength and become the All-One (i.e., it's unsurpassable).
  • It's Nirvana; after being reduced to it, the enlightenment achieves Nirvana and is unbound by all conditions/restrictions/limitations.
  • It's All-encompassing completeness, with everything being a (an illusory) part of it.
  • It's the Great Holy Spirit and perceived as "God" in monotheistic faith, as well as Nirvana/Liberation in Buddhist/Liberalism fate (V17 different world religions).
  • Its avatars become self-aware of it after gaining consciousness, and think they were once "it".
  • Everything returns to it (Ivarage's statement).
  • It's a state where Emptiness (0) and Completeness (Infinity) become one.
  • It's Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent.
Those are all I can remember at the moment.
 
actually can't remember if spiritrons move through space time or barriers of space time. Can someone confirm this for me?
Both.
Ultimate Skills (things that work on Spiritons) such as Beelzebub are described as "ignoring all laws of space and time".

I think the difference between Spiritons and Infons aside from their size is that one covers distance in 0 time while the other doesn't.
 
Both.
Ultimate Skills (things that work on Spiritons) such as Beelzebub are described as "ignoring all laws of space and time".

I think the difference between Spiritons and Infons aside from their size is that one covers distance in 0 time while the other doesn't.
Void erases the information in the information particle before it is received. Doesn't that mean void is faster than information particles, even though information particles move at immeasurable speed?
 
I mean having a construct made from void can stop information from moving outside of it so that by itself shows it isn't teleportation and testa can track their movements.
 
テスタロッサは時間をかけて、『虚無』で檻を創り上げていたのだ。その内部にトワイライトを封じ込め、檻の外との繋がりを断った。

〝[白閃滅炎覇][ホワイトフレア]〟で焼き尽くしたその瞬間に〝情報子〟の動きを観察して、ヴェルザードの内部にいる本体を確認、把握したのだろう。

Testarossa had taken her time to construct a prison out of “Nihility.”
Within that prison, she sealed Twilight away, cutting off all connections to the outside.


At the very moment she incinerated everything with [White Flare] (Hakusen Metsuenha), she must have observed the movement of the “information particles” and confirmed — and grasped the location of — the true body residing within Velzard.
Rough Translation - (I just told it to be as accurate as possible and not be biased)
 
SW freezes time and space across all worlds. So it should be able to stop Chloe's time travel abilities as they don't exist anymore. Pretty sure Rimuru also said in V21 that Chloe's abilities wouldn't let him be able to go back in time because the world itself is destroyed, not just a timeline.
So it a reasonable deduction rather than an inference based on stated information.
 
The calculation was just one reason; the second was energy. She lost most of her energy trying to use time stop, and it was later revealed that time stop consumes an enormous amount of energy. Additionally, during her fight with Guy, most of the power used was actually Guy’s. Even then, it doesn’t make sense, considering if her EP is comparable to Veldora’s , her reserves should be far too large to deplete within just a few seconds.
Iirc her massive amount of energy was specifically stored in Infinite Prison because her body couldn't properly contain the power. It's only Chronoa that can properly utilize it and stop time properly at first not Chloe. This referenced during the spar against Guy.
 
Which is also nonsense considering in V11 Guy and Chloe's fight was described by Rimuru as frame skipping. Going by the downgrade's logic, that means Guy and Chloe were reactivating time stop again and again, yet here we have Dagruel with 400M EP (tensura X), more than Guy's and Chloe's combined EP, saying reactivating time stop again and again takes wayyy to much energy.
Yes but they starting and stop in timing with their strikes. However Dagruel is maintaining it for long stretches while fighting so that makes sense. Also did you mean 40M not 400M?

Also correct me if I'm wrong but EP also considers physical ability no? If we don't know the ratio then couldn't his strength significantly contribute to the value?
 
So it a reasonable deduction rather than an inference based on stated information.
Found it
The fact that the two of them always come up with the best move when facing Milim.
(--A perfect response. But even I, at my current state, couldn't have done it on first try. If that's the case...)
Feldway observed, and came to a conclusion.
(It's her. She can control time. If that's the case, she's rewinding time from the future... No, she's traveling to the past!!)
Feldway discerned Chloe's power with almost perfect accuracy. Rather than rewinding time, he thought, she was "recalling memories of the future."
Given the way the "Chosen Hero" was giving Veldora instructions, he was convinced that this was correct.
"There was a way to seal this. If time were stopped, then it would be impossible to travel back in time.”
Feldway didn't stop time because there was someone who could. He thought that would only require unnecessary effort, and might actually create an opening. More than anything, Feldway hated waste. Since the enemy's strength analysis was complete, he thought there was no point in rushing the battle. However, this situation was a different story.
(Although it would be troublesome, he would activate "Suspended World" until Milim had eliminated the obstacles.)
Feldway thought so, and was about to put his plan into action. However, now the number of obstacles has increased...
 
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