Lupin III Discussion Thread (2)

[Stefano4444]

Speaking about Stats i also bump in Calculation Evaluation about various laser dodging feats, hopefully a few calcs expert can looks and accept them so that we can upgrade the verse to FTL.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Speaking about Stats i also bump in Calculation Evaluation about various laser dodging feats, hopefully a few calcs expert can looks and accept them so that we can upgrade the verse to FTL.

Stefano, mate, you really need to keep a closer eye on the stuff I've been doing lol. I've been doing as much as I can with any and all calculations I could find. Speed calcs have all been approved of with the highest being 4.42 C. I just haven't made a CRT for it because I have bigger projects to cook and I can only have 2 up at a time, though if you want to put one up I'll support it.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Additionally for the modern update, I'll be using another old calc to give Goemon an actual range on his attacks. Since while the speed itself is irrelevant, the range being used is highly useful. (Range would be much higher if I didn't get constantly denied Moon feats but this franchise can't do accurate sizes for shit so it's difficult to properly explain why it's valid, which I find ironic since Goemon's current feat is an example of them having poor size comparisons.)

 

[Fireld]

Stefano, mate, you really need to keep a closer eye on the stuff I've been doing lol. I've been doing as much as I can with any and all calculations I could find. Speed calcs have all been approved of with the highest being 4.42 C.

Speaking of which, I'm gonna need to give neko a new gif link for the Zenigata's beam-dodging since the old gif broke down

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Speaking of which, I'm gonna need to give neko a new gif link for the Zenigata's beam-dodging since the old gif broke down

They have had no activity since November, so who knows if that'd work. Thankfully it's not the highest calculated one + I could always just separate the gif from it's statistical value if we include it in the profiles

 

[Stefano4444]

Stefano, mate, you really need to keep a closer eye on the stuff I've been doing lol. I've been doing as much as I can with any and all calculations I could find. Speed calcs have all been approved of with the highest being 4.42 C.

It always better if there are a few more Calc Group's members to approve the calc instead of just one.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

It always better if there are a few more Calc Group's members to approve the calc instead of just one.

True that I suppose, but with the amount of support this series gets I consider anything that gets the bare minimal amount of approval necessary good enough in my books.

 

[Tonygameman]

Perfect opportunity for the thieving bump.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

PARTS 4 AND 5 ARE IN THE HOUSE

Lupin III Modern Update

Hello again, been a while huh? While this update won't cover everything still needed to be added (still plenty of things to add here and there), this will make the profiles presentable for the most part. Here we will be not only including the modern material from Parts 4 and 5 but additionally...

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[Detective_Blizzard]

Aaaand the CRT has been approved and all changes have been added (Except Fujiko's name swap) without a single hiccup...... OI STOP LOOKING AT THE PAGE HISTORY IT'S BEEN AWHILE ALRIGHT!

Next up on the block is Pachinkos Part 2, as I've amassed quite a few examples from there to warrant another full CRT very soon. Once that is through I'll be looking at more 'mainstream' forms of Lupin media for examples while I wait for more calcs to be done and the ones I already have posted to be reviewed. (As yall can see, I've been getting outside help for these calcs since I can't do any of this stuff myself lol.)

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

The next CRT is effectively done (and long) but I can't actually start it until this gets evaluated and approved. I am NOT having the robots not go on the profiles again because of not having an actual stat

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Anyone want a crack at some of the higher end feats I got for the verse? I got 13 of em uncalculated lol and only 1 is (most likely) an outlier and 2 have no bearing to the main cast!

Got em all from weather feats, explosions, pocket dimensions, sheer size feats, and more!

Spoiler: Long list of feats

Goemon cuts what's 99% likely to be the moon again
The Zenigata Robo Satellite is bigger than the Earth and actively moves into it's position (Kinda have to go frame by frame to see on that one)
Mamo grows larger than the galaxy (Nothing scales to this lol, just here to show how crazy this can get)
Mamo crushes the planet and possibly causes a big bang (Same as before, just shows how absurd this series can get)


Diamond (the character) causes magma to erupt from the ground via punching the ground
Zenigata tanks a massive explosion
Lupin kills a robot version of Oda Nobunaga who maintained a pocket dimension that destroyed on his death, this pocket dimension is heavily based on his famous fort located on-top of a 199 meter mountain.
Lupin clears stormy skies via fist
Goemon clears the raining skies via sword
The gang survive a massive explosion, ground and aerial view
Lupin and the gang kill a size amped Mamo, who's death caused enough energy to explode out to dwarf mountains (clearer image of the explosion itself)
Lupin one shots a massive meteor (TAKE THAT SAITAMA!), meteor comparison to gang +background city and some size comparisons for the mountain that it completely covers in the feat
Lupin one shots that black hole generator (Mostly just calculating the size difference between the energy source and the energy ball it generated via using Gerald's height, 7ft, and then comparing him to the stinger and generator, then comparing the stinger and the energy ball. Then using the size difference for a multiplier against the generated energy of the small orb.) This is obviously, most likely, an outlier and the strongest feat the main cast is ever going to get.

 

[Fireld]

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I think it's safe to say mountain/island level is going to be the new verse standard

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Made a crt to bump the verse to FTL. Maybe if it's lucky get a calc member's eye on the new feat I just posted, approve it, and then we use that feat as the new standard.

Lupin Speed Upgrades

Alright normally I'd make a whole show out of these revisions but this is just an incredibly simple and blatant thing that doesn't need much conversation. The verse now has three accounts of being FTL on top of the several feats of reacting and dodging light. (With the upcoming update...

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[Stefano4444]

Goemon cuts what's 99% likely to be the moon again

Its looks like it, but i can't be certain if the visual its mean to be taken literally.

The Zenigata Robo Satellite is bigger than the Earth and actively moves into it's position (Kinda have to go frame by frame to see on that one)

I don't see any indication of the satellite be bigger than Earth.

Mamo grows larger than the galaxy (Nothing scales to this lol, just here to show how crazy this can get)

Hard to say if it meant to be literal or just a visual.

Mamo crushes the planet and possibly causes a big bang (Same as before, just shows how absurd this series can get)

Same again, this can't be certain if what we see its mean to be literal without further context or quotes in the slot machine.

And like in the previous examples i don't think it would scale to anyone.

Diamond (the character) causes magma to erupt from the ground via punching the ground

This seen like a more grounded feat, harder to dispute as it doesn't seen to be just pretty visuals.

Zenigata tanks a massive explosion

This its also nice, and it should be Large Building level to Multi-City Block level since that looked like a battleship which usually that durable.

But seeing how completely was destroyed and how much violent was the explosion with the waves, i think it could go in the upper end, only factor left its the distance between Zenigata and the explosion.

Lupin kills a robot version of Oda Nobunaga who maintained a pocket dimension that destroyed on his death, this pocket dimension is heavily based on his famous fort located on-top of a 199 meter mountain.

Unless it can be proven that Oda's maintaining the pocket dimension was linked to his actual raw power, i don't think we can scale his Creation feat to his AP/Dura.

Lupin clears stormy skies via fist

Looks good.

Goemon clears the raining skies via sword

Looks good, also worth mention its that he also cut the buildings.

The gang survive a massive explosion, ground and aerial view

Looks good.

Lupin and the gang kill a size amped Mamo, who's death caused enough energy to explode out to dwarf mountains (clearer image of the explosion itself)

Looks good.

Lupin one shots a massive meteor (TAKE THAT SAITAMA!), meteor comparison to gang +background city and some size comparisons for the mountain that it completely covers in the feat

Looks good.

Lupin one shots that black hole generator (Mostly just calculating the size difference between the energy source and the energy ball it generated via using Gerald's height, 7ft, and then comparing him to the stinger and generator, then comparing the stinger and the energy ball. Then using the size difference for a multiplier against the generated energy of the small orb.) This is obviously, most likely, an outlier and the strongest feat the main cast is ever going to get.

Lupin destroy the generator doesn't mean that his pistol scale to the black hole.


For the most part the feats could be applicable as long it can be proven that they are actual things that happen in the stories and not just fancy visual effects, which may be the major issue of accepting them.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Its looks like it, but i can't be certain if the visual its mean to be taken literally.

This is the third time he's been shown doing this, at this point I see no reason why it shouldn't

I don't see any indication of the satellite be bigger than Earth.

It happens really quickly hence why I mention frame by frame, but it literally pans out of the earth before going into that shot. You can still see the planet in-between the 2 and 3 + you can literally see that the perspective shot is from the moon on the bottom right.

Hard to say if it meant to be literal or just a visual.

I can assure you that one is literal, Mamo literally gains info hax allowing him to just create and warp pocket dimensions, manipulate time and is just shown to be kinda absurd in general. (To the point where he's using the literal machine to manipulate and see things from an out of universe perspective, note the eyes and hands) As shown with his later feat and another example size manipulation is kinda just a thing he does, though given his character he doesn't really use the extremes of his powers in direct combat and prefers to just intimidate and flex his opponents into surrendering.

Same again, this can't be certain if what we see its mean to be literal without further context or quotes in the slot machine.

As mentioned before, Mamo has a lot going for him in these machines and what I mentioned is only scratching the surface on the absurdity he does. While I have debated on if the planet feat was real or not, the galaxy one basically made it clear cut that yeah he kinda just can do that.

And like in the previous examples i don't think it would scale to anyone.

Agreed, literally nothing scales to Mamo and his high-end hax. It's mainly just the more normal stuff like fire manipulation, lightning/weather manip, lower end size amps, ect that they scale to.

This seen like a more grounded feat, harder to dispute as it doesn't seen to be just pretty visuals.

100% on the more grounded end, main reason why it's a notable feat needed is because Zenigata unironically no diffs her and her punches

This its also nice, and it should be Large Building level to Multi-City Block level since that looked like a battleship which usually that durable.

But seeing how completely was destroyed and how much violent was the explosion with the waves, i think it could go in the upper end, only factor left its the distance between Zenigata and the explosion.

Yeah I can see it having a few different ends depending on the factors at hand, but it definitely helps get rid of the small building stigma the verse has.

Unless it can be proven that Oda's maintaining the pocket dimension was linked to his actual raw power, i don't think we can scale his Creation feat to his AP/Dura.

Re-read what I said, the feat in question isn't being suggested because Nobunaga created the pocket dimension but instead that his death outright caused it to be destroyed. That is a clear indicator that it's linked to his raw power as the dimension is incapable of maintaining itself without him keeping it together.

Lupin destroy the generator doesn't mean that his pistol scale to the black hole.

Under normal circumstances.... maybe, however The First black hole generator worked via collecting the energy inside the orb and then releasing a small amount through the scorpion stinger. Now I know what the argument could be "Lupin could've simply shattered the glass which might be far weaker" and to that I say he shot clean through. Again, there is high likelihood that this feat in particular is simply an outlier since it's entirely possible the results reach too close to the planetary god feats however if it ends up still being far enough below that it results in those weapons still effortlessly stomping then it might be applicable for equipment/weapons. Though I wager it'd only get a likely or possible rating at best

For the most part the feats could be applicable as long it can be proven that they are actual things that happen in the stories and not just fancy visual effects, which may be the major issue of accepting them.

I'd say I did a good enough job, granted the only one of these that got questioned into "Might just be a visual effect" that's applicable to the cast is Goemon's moon slicing however given the other times he's been shown it I am pretty adamant that it should be applicable since at worst this man now has 3 word of god examples saying he could cut the moon and at best he just has 3 examples showcasing him doing it. Plenty of other verses have reached similar results with far less

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

By the way, yall ain't ready for the abilities being added next update. I went crazy over one weekend and got a metric ton of examples and abilities from the pachinkos (and found a few things from the more mainstream media)

This revision is going to include so much crazy stuff in it, even Fujiko will be getting something cool

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Snip

So is anyone willing to give any of these a go/know anyone that'd be willing to?

 

[Stefano4444]

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Got tired of waiting for the new Zeni-Robo calculation to be approved so I just made the CRT using the old one (I'll buff it when I'll buff it)

Here's the new update, this one's a big one and you'll find lots of stuff that you won't expect. For anyone questioning on if X ability is too absurd, let it be known that I have actively been filtering out the most extreme examples of nonsense like animorphs Zenigata and Lupin and Cosmic Level Balloons. Basically everything in this update is either shown repeatedly in different scenarios (Such as the exact same animation being used against a variety of characters), is a part of the narrative, or I just have actively no reason to believe this is beyond the capabilities of this absurd verse.

Lupin III: I'm Broke Update

Howdy there everyone and welcome back to your scheduled Lupin updates! I know it's been a long while since the last revision bu- what's that? We just did one? AND IT WAS ACCEPTED IN LESS THAN A WEEK?! Well seems like we are just breaking new ground in general here folks! This update will...

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[Detective_Blizzard]

like animorphs Zenigata and Lupin

Even then I still argue with myself if this is even considered too weird given the things I've seen

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I have once again created a CRT. Spoilers for the new Zenigata movie (The Immortal Bloodline isn't in this revision because I can't get my hands on it and I ain't waiting till like November/December to release this revision)

The Woman Called Fujiko Mine: Koiekeverse Update

Howdy folks, to commemorate Zenigata actually getting a movie I decided to look at the side-series as a whole from start to (as close as I can) end. The pieces of media I've reviewed for this are The Woman Called Fujiko Mine show, Daisuke Jigen's Gravestone, Goemon Ishikawa's Bloodspray, Fujiko...

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[Detective_Blizzard]

Making a ICPO organization profile and need to figure out what image to use for it. Currently have 4 options but I can't really figure out which to go for.

Option 1: ICPO Headquarters, basic enough reasoning since that is the main base. Main issue is the fact that it has text over it (Just saying ICPO HQ) and that it is painfully plain looking

Option 2: ICPO Badges, shows prominent characters displaying their badges and is notably more iconic looking than the previous. Main issue is the badges can be hard to see plus doesn't showcase how militarized ICPO is in the verse.

Option 3: It's da cops, shows prominent characters, has ICPO clearly listed on them, and shows combat ready officers in the background. Main issue is lack of a icon given Zenigata isn't even in his usual garb and its taken from a much more random scene.

Option 4: Fan Art moment, most fun option with it showcasing how ICPO is low-key its own military powerhouse. Main issue is the obvious fact that it's fan art.

Any other recommendation pictures would be nice

 

[Fireld]

Sorry, forgot responding.

I'm split between the 1st & the 4th option, leaning towards the latter.
The 2nd option ain't bad either imo. The 3rd option, I don't like.

 

[Fireld]

 

[Stefano4444]

Lupin III Downgrade

This feat is currently used as a supporting feat for the verse, but from the discussion below it, it seems no one actually scales. There's also this mansion feat, which is supposed to scale to Fujiko and the villain of the week. While the latter is true, Fujiko was nowhere near the explosion...

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I'm was thinking of making a CRT to tackle this debunk to at least re-establish Building level physicals in the verse.

Beside the points i maded do anyone has anything else to add in the conversation?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I'm was thinking of making a CRT to tackle this debunk to at least re-establish Building level physicals in the verse.

Beside the points i maded do anyone has anything else to add in the conversation?

If the 6-C gets accepted as an 'At Most' then I don't think it'll be necessary since that'd be the new standard (since that'd establish the pachinko line of feats as valid, with the only reason there's no other tier being a lack of calculations saying EXACTLY where for all of the relevant high-end feats go).

If it gets sidelined into a 'Possibly/Likely' rating or just straight up gets rejected for god knows what reason, then yeah I'd want the building stuff to at least come back. To assist in that effort we have various of the lesser feats I found in my research which support the argument for building level. Examples include

Randy no selling his explosion because plot demanded he survive (For frame of reference, Randy was going to meet Fujiko at a bar in an hour. The movie outright states the reason Fujiko didn't see him is because she went to a different bar to pretend he was dead. So he not only recovered from that explosion but was also in good enough condition to travel through a desert environment on foot to a fairly distant bar. With him just showing no damage from it when we next see him.)

Zenigata tanks ship blowing up

Zenigata survives the Sirloin blowing up, which is a 500 meter long, 65 meter wide ship

These randoms surviving this big explosion

(Possibly) Zenigata no selling Diamond's punches which can cause magma to erupt (While I have no idea how powerful erupting magma is, it at least visually helps in this tier since the eruptions at least look small building level and Zenigata is just unaffected by her hits)

With literally all the other high end feats supporting an 'At Least' rating since yeah surviving being nuked is AT LEAST building level

 

[Kaiser0079]

Are there non-pachinko tier 7 feats for Lupin in any of the shows or movies that aren't the black hole

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Are there non-pachinko tier 7 feats for Lupin in any of the shows or movies that aren't the black hole

Yes, we have nothing calculated but Zenigata did survive the Sirloin blowing up which is town sided (he was somewhat near the middle of the ship during the biggest explosion). We also have manga feats where Jigen was able to harm a Dragon strong enough to destroy towns/cities with his anti-tank rifle.

Most of the mainline stuff has stuff that is in tier 7 or above, but most of it falls under hax, a weapon with no direct scaling line, or vague at best because we explain nothing in this verse. This is largely why the pachinko feats are so important since it avoids a lot of the sidestepping the more conventional series does when it comes to combat stuff. As the grand majority of it's content is not combat focused as scenarios are more situation based.

Additionally, while I have no proof of it since the Immortal Bloodline movie isn't available yet

They do legit just blow up an entire island to beat the villain of the film, with Lupin still being on said island when it blows up. Since this is Lupin, of course it's heavily implied at the end that he survived and he gave some lighter given to Jigen. So yeah that probably gets added to the list.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Oh yeah, another thing that goes towards the 'tier 7 or above but can't be used' tier. Goemon. He just has a bunch of feats which while they can absolutely be in the tiers, the Zantetsuken is just not a weapon that can be properly scaled to 99% of things in the verse.

 

[Fireld]

 

[Fireld]

Starting to miss NIWDE here

 

[Stefano4444]

Debunk Lupin III's Downgrade

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Anyone want suggestions any other argument i could bring? I may add it in the prototype.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Debunk Lupin III's Downgrade

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Anyone want suggestions any other argument i could bring? I may add it in the prototype.

I would recommend mentioning "The Pycal Effect" since his episode perfectly shows how both the examples are just normal for Lupin stuff.

Also, again, the debunk might not be needed if the OVA update actually gets one more staff approval (It's been over 2 months folks where's the +1!)

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

THE OVA GOT APPROVED BOYS! GOOD LUPIN STATS ARE BACK ON THE MENU!

 

[Stefano4444]

Will Island level+ for the verse be taken fully, or at most/possibly?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Will Island level+ for the verse be taken fully, or at most/possibly?

We have At Most accepted, the good news is that At Most is basically just another version of At Least meaning this is the current default until someone actually calculates all that supporting evidence I'm adding to the profile

 

[Stefano4444]

We have At Most accepted, the good news is that At Most is basically just another version of At Least meaning this is the current default until someone actually calculates all that supporting evidence I'm adding to the profile

So the 8-C will be removed then?

 

[Stefano4444]

Anyway i also notice one thing, if Lupin did survive a black hole shouldn't that grant him Resistance to Black Hole Generation/Gravity Manipulation?

I think that should be added in his profile, beside that there are some errors to fix in his Powers and Abilities, in the Base section.