Honkai: Star Rail Welt's Apology Form

[AlipheeseXIV]

I dont even know if he uses replica in hsr or not, main scan for him using replica is just that he broke SoE in SE and thats it

I don't even think it should lower it's scaling just because it's a replica though given how HoR abilities work, I mean this doesn't solve the issue of not knowing whether he actually has SoE's Zeroth power or not since he has yet to use it at all but I think it being comparable to the original should be fine generally?

all of relevant characters that would benefit are alr 1-B so currently nothing is broken

Hm...what about future profiles though? Ya'll don't have profiles for Sirin or Vita iirc, also whatever with that base Kalpas scaling and whatnot. If Welt is 1B in HSR, then logically he's 1B in HI3 no?

 

[Viery]

Hold her own? Brother she got absolutely shit on, Vita played with her like a curio.

What are you talking about? Sparkle is the one who laughs at the end — it says otherwise, buddy. Even the full power of her Gundam only managed to destroy one layer of her illusion, while Sparkle herself took no damage at all.

Not to mention , she use three random Gundam when fighting vita lol

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I don't even think it should lower it's scaling just because it's a replica though given how HoR abilities work, I mean this doesn't solve the issue of not knowing whether he actually has SoE's Zeroth power or not since he has yet to use it at all but I think it being comparable to the original should be fine generally?

You can easily deduce if he uses 0th power or not simply by looking at how big blackhole is, hes basic atk summoning miniature black holes would not be 0th power
but ultimate and fight with zephyro? definetly

Hm...what about future profiles though? Ya'll don't have profiles for Sirin or Vita iirc, also whatever with that base Kalpas scaling and whatnot. If Welt is 1B in HSR, then logically he's 1B in HI3 no?

verse is dead
hes 1B with SoE in hi3 too op mentioned that

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Hm...what about future profiles though? Ya'll don't have profiles for Sirin or Vita iirc, also whatever with that base Kalpas scaling and whatnot. If Welt is 1B in HSR, then logically he's 1B in HI3 no?

According to @PedjaTarzan, the High 1-C scaling is outdated because that rating was since the cosmology capped at 11-D before it became Low 1-A, then 1-A, then nuked to 1-B. So no one bothered with buffing Welt (I’m telling you this man was disrespected for far too long )

 

[PedjaTarzan]

What are you talking about? Sparkle is the one who laughs at the end — it says otherwise, buddy. Even the full power of her Gundam only managed to destroy one layer of her illusion, while Sparkle herself took no damage at all.

Not to mention , she use three random Gundam when fighting vita lol

i would not even consider this fight canon when we dont even know why where and how it happened, literal 0 details lmao.
also fym shes stronger if she used 3 gundams and vita used one bro.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

What are you talking about? Sparkle is the one who laughs at the end — it says otherwise, buddy.

Wow...I guess all those times Natasha laughed at TB she was secretly stronger than them all along.

Even the full power of her Gundam only managed to destroy one layer of her illusion, while Sparkle herself took no damage at all.

And what damage did Sparkle inflict on Vita? Feat is way too obscure bro, the only confirmed fact is that Sparkle got shat on.

Not to mention , she use three random Gundam when fighting vita lol

Yeah and they all get negged. Genuinely what is this Sparkle agenda bro

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

i would not even consider this fight canon when we dont even know why where and how it happened, literal 0 details lmao.
also fym shes stronger if she used 3 gundams and vita used one bro.

Brother if the fate event and franchise is canon to HSR then so can the 2 honkai games cross over

 

[Viery]

i would not even consider this fight canon when we dont even know why where and how it happened, literal 0 details lmao.
also fym shes stronger if she used 3 gundams and vita used one bro.

Those three Gundam appeared in the vita trailer so it's canon

And quantity≠quality

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

You can easily deduce if he uses 0th power or not simply by looking at how big blackhole is, hes basic atk summoning miniature black holes would not be 0th power
but ultimate and fight with zephyro? definetly

I never thought to gauge the power by the size of the black holes, kinda always thought that was just a way to show his precise manipulation of them since Su can make quasi blackholes as well and stuff.

verse is dead

L supporter, get your ah to work.

hes 1B with SoE in hi3 too op mentioned that

So everyone who upscales from him is 1B too, how exactly do we differentiate them from CoF then?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I never thought to gauge the power by the size of the black holes, kinda always thought that was just a way to show his precise manipulation of them since Su can make quasi blackholes as well and stuff.

L supporter, get your ah to work.

So everyone who upscales from him is 1B too, how exactly do we differentiate them from CoF then?

I’m pretty sure it’s just outdated. Hell, the Hi3 profiles are still scaling to Galaxy + when no one in hsr is Galaxy + rn lol

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

According to @PedjaTarzan, the High 1-C scaling is outdated because that rating was since the cosmology capped at 11-D before it became Low 1-A, then 1-A, then nuked to 1-B. So no one bothered with buffing Welt (I’m telling you this man was disrespected for far too long )

Yeah cosmology was tied to the hip of SoQ stuff for awhile, I mean Welt's OG scaling came from separating the SoQ from reality iirc. Anyways, I am still a little neutral I don't wanna go too off topic but at least I am leaning more towards agreeing rn.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Those three Gundam appeared in the vita trailer so it's canon

And quantity≠quality

how is trailer even canon bro, what source provides that? where in the story did the fight exactly happen?
s.t.o.p derailing THANK YOU its not like thread is finished we just need staff now

So everyone who upscales from him is 1B too, how exactly do we differentiate them from CoF then?

sigh i said, THOSE WHO BENEFIT, are already 1-B so theres nothing to change for now

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I’m pretty sure it’s just outdated. Hell, the Hi3 profiles are still scaling to Galaxy + when no one in hsr is Galaxy + rn lol

 

[Viery]

how is trailer even canon bro, what source provides that? where in the story did the fight exactly happen?
s.t.o.p derailing THANK YOU its not like thread is finished we just need staff now

Damn, so Sparkle that appear in Hi3 part 2 main story chapter 5 is not canon then

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

sigh i said, THOSE WHO BENEFIT, are already 1-B so theres nothing to change for now

Young buck is really sighing to my messages, insane. Make the verse 1A again bro, that's what gotta be changed fr anyways lemme stop derailing.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Damn, so Sparkle that appear in Hi3 part 2 main story chapter 5 is not canon then

bro did not understand the question
anyway leave this topic for some other time please.

 

[Viery]

bro did not understand the question
anyway leave this topic for some other time please.

I mean, the book doesn’t just show the three Gundams — it also shows future events that happen in the main story.

But yeah, another time

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

This thread is thirsting for evaluation

 

[Lloydblitzed]

This thread is thirsting for evaluation

Indeed

 

[Machmatej]

not too familiar with the verse but this looks good to me

 

[Mommyleona]

i suppose this makes sense with current scaling

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Bump

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

nah the next hsr crt boutta go crazy

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

bump

 

[Kaydee1648]

I was asked to ping some mods
@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @LordGriffin1000 @Imaginym do you mind checking this out? Just one more vote is needed

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'll check later.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bump

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bump

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Bump

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

 

[Kaydee1648]

I'll check later.

Not to rush you or anything but can you give it a look now?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

 

[Vietthai96]

Ngl, i always have problem with 11D to 12D Star of Eden. Because its function was Gravity Manipulation, which is stated in the manga by Welt himself that Gravity work the same in all dimensions, this is pretty much textbook how gravity work in brane cosmology, there is no increases in quantity or power in that statement, just due to the nature of gravity in brane cosmology. Literally Welt was unable to affect Ryusuke until he figured out how gravity function. This is pretty much cosmology exclusive thing

Jingliu is fine i guess

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Ngl, i always have problem with 11D to 12D Star of Eden. Because its function was Gravity Manipulation, which is stated in the manga by Welt himself that Gravity work the same in all dimensions, this is pretty much textbook how gravity work in brane cosmology, there is no increases in quantity or power in that statement, just due to the nature of gravity in brane cosmology. Literally Welt was unable to affect Ryusuke until he figured out how gravity function. This is pretty much cosmology exclusive thing

Jingliu is fine i guess

im currently unable to make a proper response for the HI3 scans section and only able to later (unless someone else does). What about the SOE being stated to being more dangerous Acheron’s own sword Naught which is 1-b and clashing with Zephryo’s Path of destruction which is also 1-B and nuked the entire cosmos, ending Elio’s script?

 

[Voidnether]

Ngl, i always have problem with 11D to 12D Star of Eden. Because its function was Gravity Manipulation, which is stated in the manga by Welt himself that Gravity work the same in all dimensions, this is pretty much textbook how gravity work in brane cosmology, there is no increases in quantity or power in that statement, just due to the nature of gravity in brane cosmology. Literally Welt was unable to affect Ryusuke until he figured out how gravity function. This is pretty much cosmology exclusive thing

Jingliu is fine i guess

It's categorized like this tbh: Imaginary Singularity if I'm not mistaken which is like the core basis of how Star of Eden works in the first place is 12-D, and like the Gravity Manipulation there is the entire supergravity thing which according to the brane cosmology is 11-D. Problem is that back then SoE is rated as 11-D because it's only shown to actually destroy 11-D stuff (even if the Imaginary Singularity, in which the Star of Eden derives from is 12-D), like the Theater of Domination for example that's classified as 11-D on the wiki here but here we see it actually clashing with Zephyro who's like 12-D

 

[Vietthai96]

im currently unable to make a proper response for the HI3 scans section and only able to later (unless someone else does). What about the SOE being stated to being more dangerous Acheron’s own sword Naught which is 1-b and clashing with Zephryo’s Path of destruction which is also 1-B and nuked the entire cosmos, ending Elio’s script?

Being more dangerous than her sword =/= having more power. In fact that Star of Eden gravity manipulation was able to affect all dimensions due to how gravity work already put SoE and Gravity hax as a whole one of the most dangerous thing in the verse, Ryusuke was unable to do a jack shit against that despite being actual higher dimensional.

Being able to rupture the cosmos is again, Gravity feat, Black Hole and White Hole is both gravity thing and like the feat against Ryusoke, gravity literally allow Welt to slap higher-dimensional being so....

Well, you can probably slap 1-B on Star of Eden's Gravity hax for being able to shit on the cosmology, but like i said, it is pretty much cosmology exclusive thing, and pretty much useless in crossverse with verses that do not have brane cosmology.

I have been thinking about this thing for a very long time, while i do not care much about vs match, i'm still hesitate to put tier on SoE, cause it is like i put Acausality Type 1 on every Dragon Ball profiles because the verse cosmology prevent time paradox by splitting the timeline

 

[Vietthai96]

It's categorized like this tbh: Imaginary Singularity if I'm not mistaken which is like the core basis of how Star of Eden works in the first place is 12-D, and like the Gravity Manipulation there is the entire supergravity thing which according to the brane cosmology is 11-D. Problem is that back then SoE is rated as 11-D because it's only shown to actually destroy 11-D stuff (even if the Imaginary Singularity, in which the Star of Eden derives from is 12-D), like the Theater of Domination for example that's classified as 11-D on the wiki here but here we see it actually clashing with Zephyro who's like 12-D

Missed this comment for some reasons, probably my phone and internet acting up again. But anyway, like i said, Gravity or Supergravity, in Brane Cosmology, which pretty much is the thing Honkai Cosmology follow (actually Mihoyo dragged the entire theory into the game), the specific trait of this cosmology is that gravity will work the same in all dimension, remember, work the same, mean that gravity is distributed with the same force across, that mean gravity in 1D is = gravity in 5D or gravity in 11D, etc..

Welt statement in Alien Space manga is pretty much textbook thing of this, and remember, he was a proper 1st Herrschers at that time, with a proper Herrschers power, yet he was unable to do anything to Ryusuke - an actual higher-dimensional being, even Ryusuke stated that fact, until Welt figured out how Gravity work

So yeah, you could, probably slap 1-B on SoE or even everyone who have Gravity Manipulation due to how cosmology work, but this is cosmology exclusive thing, which is pretty useless crossverse, especially with verse that do not follow the same cosmology, even with verse that have the similar brane cosmology, SoE will be limited by said verse cosmology, such as vs a verse with brane cosmology but with 10D, SoE's Gravity which is Brane Cosmology Supergravity will only be 10D because Gravity work via having dimensions, if there is no dimensions, it will not apply thus it can't be higher than the cosmology itself. That why i hesitate about putting a tier on SoE

There is another route, argue that SoE is 1-B via Honkai Energy, iirc SoE is a Divine Key so HE powered it, HE is UES so you can put 1-B on SoE. Problem is, HE is UES so you need to backscale 1-B rating to Welt physical stats, and there is a statement about him comparable to his prime but the current SoE is a replica, so idk how it is compare to the real thing

 

[Voidnether]

Missed this comment for some reasons, probably my phone and internet acting up again. But anyway, like i said, Gravity or Supergravity, in Brane Cosmology, which pretty much is the thing Honkai Cosmology follow (actually Mihoyo dragged the entire theory into the game), the specific trait of this cosmology is that gravity will work the same in all dimension, remember, work the same, mean that gravity is distributed with the same force across, that mean gravity in 1D is = gravity in 5D or gravity in 11D, etc..

Welt statement in Alien Space manga is pretty much textbook thing of this, and remember, he was a proper 1st Herrschers at that time, with a proper Herrschers power, yet he was unable to do anything to Ryusuke - an actual higher-dimensional being, even Ryusuke stated that fact, until Welt figured out how Gravity work

So yeah, you could, probably slap 1-B on SoE or even everyone who have Gravity Manipulation due to how cosmology work, but this is cosmology exclusive thing, which is pretty useless crossverse, especially with verse that do not follow the same cosmology, even with verse that have the similar brane cosmology, SoE will be limited by said verse cosmology, such as vs a verse with brane cosmology but with 10D, SoE's Gravity which is Brane Cosmology Supergravity will only be 10D because Gravity work via having dimensions, if there is no dimensions, it will not apply thus it can't be higher than the cosmology itself. That why i hesitate about putting a tier on SoE

There is another route, argue that SoE is 1-B via Honkai Energy, iirc SoE is a Divine Key so HE powered it, HE is UES so you can put 1-B on SoE. Problem is, HE is UES so you need to backscale 1-B rating to Welt physical stats, and there is a statement about him comparable to his prime but the current SoE is a replica, so idk how it is compare to the real thing

Tbh if that's the case wouldn't it be more appropriate to rate SoE as Low 1-A at its maximum? Since it could manipulate all dimensions, the limitation being that if the crossverse's maximum dimensionality is 5-D then its reduced to that too I think

During the events of Second Eruption, the SoE that he used has always been a replica and he never used the real one so there's that

 

[Vietthai96]

Tbh if that's the case wouldn't it be more appropriate to rate SoE as Low 1-A at its maximum? Since it could manipulate all dimensions, the limitation being that if the crossverse's maximum dimensionality is 5-D then its reduced to that too I think

No, it is brane cosmology thing, Low 1-A is completely different thing, which not involve brane, like i said, SoE will not even work with verse that do not follow brane cosmology, in order for gravity to work the same in all dimensions, cosmology itself need to be brane cosmology, because brane cosmology involving "bulk space" and "membrane" which every other physical forces will be confined within its own membrane except gravity which distributed across all "membrane" or in other word, all available dimensions in the cosmology. Without them gravity is moot, or rather just work at best 4D level as how gravity work in real life. This isn't simply gravity thing or SoE thing, but cosmology issue that specifically allow gravity to work like that

And you can't even list this as Low 1-A, because Low 1-A is quantity, in order to get such a rating, you need quantity, and like i said before, the statement from Alien Space Welt pretty much said there is no quantitive different in gravity, it works the same in all dimensions, mean the quantity level of its force will be the same in all dimensions, which as i had made an example above, the gravity force in 1D = the force in 7D or 11D or 3737D, so you can even put 11-A along with Low 1-A and it will not be wrong, cause like, its physical force is the same across dimensions. But the thing is, up to Low 1-A implying quantitive differences, so, eh......

Welcome to Mihoyo writing

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Why are you debating what Singularity Rebuild can do against what Welt vs Zephyro can do at full power??
I think its verbatim explained that SoE Capscity to affect all dimensions and that ryusuke fight is strictly done trough Singularity Rebuild and dont even come with hax bullshit when usage of Divine keys powers strictly require energy output, all welt instances of using SoE to do shit is Ap applicable when we know diivne keys require energy output to be used