Minor change for the Shades [Genshin Impact]

[MSahla]

I've been thinking about this since i created the Four Shades profiles and somebody changed it.

Why is the Four Shades' respective concept abilities (Space, Time, Life and Death) only "Enhanced" and not "Greater"? While they are LITERALLY the concepts of those four things itself just like how Istaroth is said to be literally "Time" itself and the Dragons lived even before the Concept of Time is created, which mean before Istaroth is created. And that is true, after all, the Dragons lived before the Heavenly Principles established four of these concepts or four shades of itself.

The Shades are the HIGHEST Authority of those four concepts in Genshin Impact, they can even share a fragments of their authority just like the Ruler of Time Istaroth gave a fragments of her authority and power to Venti.

Dragon Sovereign like Neuvillette got his Full Authority over Hydro Element and thus he got "Greater Hydro Manipulation" because he got the absolute control over Hydro Element, which is one of the main 7 Elements in the world.
Now, if the Seven Sovereigns can get "Greater" through their Authorities who have absolute control over an Elements, why not the Four Shades too? Whose obviously have the Full Authority or Absolute Control over their own Concepts.

The Authorities of the Four Shades are part the Universal Law that governs everything created by the Heavenly Principles, their power are also a fundamental rule in and of itself. A Shade like the Ruler of Death Ronova can even kill a pocket dimension/space created by the Ruler of Space Asmoday, which proving that Ronova's Death Manipulation can bypassed immunity. And even one of the Ronova's power called the "Curse of Immortality" can works on a higher level of reality than the person themselves.

So with all of that said, all of the Four Shades should get "Greater" on their respective concept abilities.

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Agree:
@Furina003 @AsterReal @ZENZUYA @LoudestProcedure @AyOgUyS @OmniScalator @JayaReal @FentyBeauty @IStar0thh


Disagree:


Adios
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[MSahla]

Damn.. I forgot to add Asmoday hastag

 

[Furina003]

Yes I agree, moreover they are primordial concepts, the origin of concepts, without them, that concepts would never exist, I think that it is a type 1 concept, but it needs a separate CRT to discuss it. In essence I agree with this CRT

 

[AsterReal]

It looks good.

 

[ZENZUYA]

If it is said, all the Peak or Highest Manipulation user of PowerSystem in Genshin will get a Greater Rating of Manipulation

So yeah i agree to the thread

 

[LoudestProcedure]

I aagree

 

[AyOgUyS]

agree

 

[MSahla]

Bump

 

[OmniScalator]

Agree yeah

 

[Mommyleona]

i dont think there's any difference between enhanced and greater?

 

[AyOgUyS]

i dont think there's any difference between enhanced and greater?

Correct. They are basically the same thing

 

[Mommyleona]

Correct. They are basically the same thing

so then im pretty sure it can be changed without crt, if op thinks greater sounds better than enhanced

 

[AyOgUyS]

so then im pretty sure it can be changed without crt, if op thinks greater sounds better than enhanced

yea this is a pretty minor thing anyway so it don't rly matter all that much

 

[Furina003]

so then im pretty sure it can be changed without crt, if op thinks greater sounds better than enhanced

Since the CRT has been created, is it possible that we need 1 staff to complete the CRT?

 

[JayaReal]

I agree.

 

[MSahla]

i dont think there's any difference between enhanced and greater?

Well yeah, but for their case, putting "Enhanced" is a bit incorrect.

I know this is a bit minor but i don't want people to see me as doing vandalism when i change that without making this crt.

 

[Mommyleona]

Since the CRT has been created, is it possible that we need 1 staff to complete the CRT?

i suppose, tho i think genshin is considered a popular verse or smth, so it might need 2 even for a minor crt, better ask a mod

 

[FentyBeauty]

i literally have the same exact thoughts as mommy leona

i don’t rlly rhink “greater” n “enhanced” r that different from each other bc theyre both used in a similar context on pages, so like idk what else this would change other than the wording

i guess if greater looks prettier than enhanced and u prefer to use that one for them, then it’s fine!

 

[FentyBeauty]

usually ppl use “greater” or “enhanced” on character pages if they have a power or something thats like way better than before

and lowkey i don’t get the idea of putting “greater/enhanced” for the concepts that the shades control either, like ronova having greater death manip for being the highest authority of that n being the concept of it, like that’s lits why she has concept manip to cover that

bc in some sort of way, her controlling the concept of death or whatever idk is basically n already a greater form of death manip so it just seems a little repetitive to include “greater” in her death manip

 

[PedjaTarzan]

you can just make abilities on conceptual level if they are tied to the actual concepts so

 

[MSahla]

and lowkey i don’t get the idea of putting “greater/enhanced” for the concepts that the shades control either, like ronova having greater death manip for being the highest authority of that n being the concept of it, like that’s lits why she has concept manip to cover that

bc in some sort of way, her controlling the concept of death or whatever idk is basically n already a greater form of death manip so it just seems a little repetitive to include “greater” in her death manip

Just, in case that.. All of the four shades respective abilities are above baselines.

Why am i making this crt? Well, i don't want ppl to see me as doing vandalism when i change that without making any crt.
(I'm still mad for whoever changed the "greater" to "enhanced" when the shades profiles published)

Enhanced is usually for somebody who is stronger than before, while thats not what happened to the shades. Because they're not "stronger than before" or got any enhancement or buff from somewhere else, they're essentially just like the Seven Sovereigns who had their full authority and absolute control over their own elements.

So in my personal humble opinion, greater is should be the correct one.

 

[MSahla]

you can just make abilities on conceptual level if they are tied to the actual concepts so

For example?

 

[FentyBeauty]

Just, in case that.. All of the four shades respective abilities are above baselines.

Why am i making this crt? Well, i don't want ppl to see me as doing vandalism when i change that without making any crt.
(I'm still mad for whoever changed the "greater" to "enhanced" when the shades profiles published)

ur so okay for making the crt if ur like worried abt making minor changes on pages tho then thats what the all urpose thread is for!

Enhanced is usually for somebody who is stronger than before, while thats not the full context of what happened to the shades. Because, they're essentially just like the Seven Sovereigns who had their full authority and absolute control over their own elements.

it would make sense for the soverigns bc theyre like way better than archons n rule over their elements all over teyvat but for the shades i’m a little iffy bc theyre the concepts themselves from whay i’m looking at on their pages so duh the things linked to the concepts they control like life, death etc idk r gonna be great bc they have like full control over the concepts

 

[PedjaTarzan]

For example?

only "Enhanced" and not "Greater"? While they are LITERALLY the concepts of those four things itself just like how Istaroth is said to be literally "Time" itself and the Dragons lived even before the Concept of Time is created, which mean before Istaroth is created.

this part is quite clear abt abilities of shades being on that level

 

[FentyBeauty]

wait i’m a little scared if i’m like derailing…

sahlwrld u can just put me in that agree list, ty!!

 

[MSahla]

wait i’m a little scared if i’m like derailing…

sahlwrld u can just put me in that agree list, ty!!

Nah u good twin.

 

[IStar0thh]

Sounds good.

 

[OmniScalator]

usually ppl use “greater” or “enhanced” on character pages if they have a power or something thats like way better than before

and lowkey i don’t get the idea of putting “greater/enhanced” for the concepts that the shades control either, like ronova having greater death manip for being the highest authority of that n being the concept of it, like that’s lits why she has concept manip to cover that

bc in some sort of way, her controlling the concept of death or whatever idk is basically n already a greater form of death manip so it just seems a little repetitive to include “greater” in her death manip

I think maybe we should consider her hax smurf hax?

 

[FentyBeauty]

I think maybe we should consider her hax smurf hax?

no idk bc i remember that smurfs r only for stuff that reach tier 2+ ranges (smurf range), or stuff that affect highr dimensional things which is smurf potency n those also need to be outer or more to count as that unless its like controlling minds n souls, so i don’t rlly see the shades fitting in either of those

 

[OmniScalator]

no idk bc i remember that smurfs r only for stuff that reach tier 2+ ranges (smurf range), or stuff that affect highr dimensional things which is smurf potency n those also need to be outer or more to count as that unless its like controlling minds n souls, so i don’t rlly see the shades fitting in either of those

Well, Ronova curse is on higher level of reality and Istaroth Time is atleast like 14 Billion years range

 

[FentyBeauty]

omg like all the smurf haxtalk just fried my brain rn so i literally forgot what i was gonna talk abt

anyways i don’t rlly wanna overcomplicate sahl’scrt so i feel like we should brng the smurf stuff to the main geinshin thread instead n get high there!

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Yeah, you could add that, but it’s not really necessary to include “greater” before their abilities, they literally embody the concepts of their respective powers.
Also, I’d recommend removing “enhanced” from their profiles and instead adding “(Conceptually)” after the ability.
Manipulating something on a conceptual level is far stronger than simply having greater control over that power.

 

[MSahla]

Also, I’d recommend removing “enhanced” from their profiles and instead adding “(Conceptually)” after the ability.
Manipulating something on a conceptual level is far stronger than simply having greater control over that power.

Can you give me an example of what its gonna be look like? Is it like this?

Passive Time Manipulation [Conceptually]

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

The one you gave is fine.

 

[MSahla]

The one you gave is fine.

Alr then.. But can i do that now? Since this is still a crt, i need some votes.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Alr then.. But can i do that now? Since this is still a crt, i need some votes.

Maybe create a new crt.

 

[MSahla]

Maybe create a new crt.

 

[MSahla]

Man.. This CRT is kinda waste if i had to create another one with the exact same reasons as this.

 

[FentyBeauty]

yea ur right bc u’d be adding a greater for the shades abilities n then switching that up with the “conceptually” part in another crt

honestlyy i don’t rlly see the harm in changing what u have for the shades n swapping the “greater” for the “conceptually” since no mods other than twilight said anything abt it yet n u could just leave what u have for the soverigns alone

 

[MSahla]

So whats this CRT for then if i can just removed the "Enhanced" and change it to either "Greater" or "Conceptually" without making a CRT.
(maybe i'm just too overthinking, thats why not a single mods came here)