Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

looking for knowledgeable staff members by posting it in a tensura thread?
lmao

Unlike MG wank, they got a solid justification. So I assumed they're familiar with the hax.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

@Astral_Trinity439 have you checked the kenji ?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Hey @Astral_Trinity439.

What ability do you think Laplace would gain from this?

As I thought, it refers to the physical core.

「せや。これはお前の心臓(コア) や。動けん上に、声も出えへんや ろ？ それもワイの仕業やで」

核(コア) means Core, not Heart Core which is 心核(ココロ)

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

As I thought, it refers to the physical core.

核(コア) means Core, not Heart Core which is 心核(ココロ)

I see. Anyway, the “physical core” refers to their heart, right? And since Roy had ultra-speed regeneration, do you think this could be a limitation of his regeneration?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I see. Anyway, the “physical core” refers to their heart, right? And since Roy had ultra-speed regeneration, do you think this could be a limitation of his regeneration?

A secondary heart of sort, yes, not the biological heart though.

Most if not all Majins have a Physical "core" that serves as a secondary heart. Destroying it results in instant death for beings that can't Regen from complete physical body destruction, even if the rest of the body is left untouched (actual heart and brain).

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

That's one of the problems, Yin Yang no longer works unless properly explained by the verse that it refers to true and not-true, as some verses don't

Beretta's whole thing comes from fusing angelic and demonic, so if that's rejected, his skill also is

Anyways regarding this:
Light ask Darkness (at least in tensura) are in fact logical negations of each other.

Spoiler: Scans

Firstly, they're called Diametrically opposite:

This evolution had imparted elements of both holy and demonic force into it. That was mainly thanks to the skill Reverser, which allowed the user to obtain two diametrically opposed essences at once—in Beretta’s case, aspects of both demonic and angelic power, I suppose. A new spirit core was born inside it, fusing with its older, demonic one to create a new chaos core. This let it handle holy-element attacks, something it was weaker against before.

「この度は、魔王への進化おめ でとう御座います。ワレも、貴方 様グランドマスターの進化のお裾 分けを頂きました事、お礼を述べ させて頂きたく思っておりまし た。お陰様で〝魔将人形アーク ドール〟より進化し、〝聖魔人形 カオスドール〟へと至った次第で す」

そう述べて、俺に向けて恭し く一礼してくれた。 聖魔人形カオスドールとなっ たベレッタは、聖と魔という相反 する属性が備わったようだ。 どうやらそれは、獲得したユ ニークスキル『天邪鬼ウラガエル モノ』の影響のお陰のようであ る。 この能力スキルは、正反対の 性質を自動で獲得するというも の。つまりベレッタの場合、悪魔 族デーモンの特質が反転し天使族 エンジェルの力も備わった、とい う感じであろう。

ベレッタの体内に新たな〝精 霊核〟が生じ、旧来の〝悪魔核〟 と融合した。その結果生成された のが、〝聖魔核〟らしい。この聖 魔核の力により、ベレッタは弱点 であった聖属性までも操れるよう になったのだと言う。 何それズルイ、と思ったのは 俺だけではないはずだ。 その強固な魔鋼製の肉体に は、ほぼ全ての物理攻撃と魔法が 通用しない。その上、弱点まで補 えるようになったのだから、これ 以上ない強化と言えそうだ。 このユニークスキル『天邪鬼 ウラガエルモノ』の発現にも、俺 が絡んでいるらしい。 多分ベレッタに、俺の焦りが 色濃く伝わったのだ。 俺が〝聖浄化結界ホーリー フィールド〟に囚われた時、魔素 を封じられて何も出来ないと感じ た事が、この力の発現に影響を与 えたのだと思う。

動力を魔素に頼る〝魔将人形 アークドール〟では、動く事も出 来ないと考えてしまった。それに 対し、今回の進化で対策を立てた という事なのだ。 ユニークスキル『天邪鬼ウラ ガエルモノ』といい〝聖魔核〟と いい、もの凄く研究素材として興 味がある。

《告。ユニークスキル『天邪鬼 ウラガエルモノ』は、究極能力ア ルティメットスキル『誓約之王ウ リエル』に統合済みです。その力 は、全属性の『法則操作』により 再現可能です。尚、〝聖魔核〟の 生成を行うには、特定の条件と素 材を用意する必要が──》

“Congratulations on your evolution into a Demon Lord. I also wished to express my thanks for receiving a share of your, Grand Master’s, evolution. Thanks to that, I have evolved from a ‘Magic General Doll – Arc Doll’ into a ‘Holy-Demonic Doll – Chaos Doll.’”

Saying so, Beretta bowed respectfully toward me.
Having become a Holy-Demonic Doll, Beretta seemed to have gained both holy and demonic attributes—opposing elements.
Apparently, this was due to the effect of the unique skill ‘Contrarian – One Who Turns Over’.

This ability automatically acquires properties opposite to one’s own nature.
In Beretta’s case, the traits of the Demon race were inverted, resulting in also obtaining the power of the Angel race.

A new Spirit Core formed within Beretta’s body and fused with the old Demon Core.
The result was something called a Holy-Demonic Core.
Thanks to this core’s power, Beretta was now able to manipulate even the holy attribute, which had been a weakness.

I wasn’t the only one who thought, “That’s unfair.”
With a body made of sturdy magisteel that’s nearly impervious to all physical and magical attacks—and now with even the weakness covered—it could only be called an exceptional strengthening.

It seems that I was also involved in the manifestation of the unique skill ‘Contrarian – One Who Turns Over’.
Most likely, my sense of impatience was deeply conveyed to Beretta.
When I was trapped in the Holy Purification Barrier (Holy Field), I felt completely powerless with my magicule flow sealed.
That experience probably influenced the manifestation of this power.

As a Magic General Doll – Arc Doll that relied on magicules for power, movement would have been impossible.
Thus, this evolution served as a countermeasure to that weakness.

Both the unique skill ‘Contrarian – One Who Turns Over’ and the Holy-Demonic Core are extremely interesting as research materials.

“Notice: The unique skill ‘Contrarian – One Who Turns Over’ has already been integrated into the Ultimate Skill ‘Lord of Vows – Uriel’.
Its power can be reproduced through the ‘Law Manipulation’ of all attributes.
However, to generate a Holy-Demonic Core, specific conditions and materials are required—”
(Good ol gpt)

Skill name (also Gpt):

天邪鬼（ウラガエルモノ） literally means:

天邪鬼 (あまのじゃく / Amanojaku) — a being or person who acts contrary to expectations or common sense; “Contrarian,” “Perverse Spirit,” or “One Who Opposes Heaven.”

ウラガエルモノ (裏返る者) — “One who turns over,” “One who reverses,” or “One who inverts.”

天邪鬼 - Jisho.org

jisho.org

Ah. Adalmann’s just soldiering through it. But that doesn’t really solve the problem. I could tap Beretta’s Reverser unique skill to flip the holy attribute around to demonic…but that’s another future research topic. For the time being:
“Then how about this, Adalmann?” Still enveloped in Shion’s chest, I sent a beam of light into the air.
“Ohhh!!”
“I removed the holy attribute and powered it up a bit. It’s called Holy Ray, and it’s my own creation."
Holy Ray is a neutral attack, neither holy nor demonic in nature. As long as you didn’t screw it up, it would never damage the caster. However, it was trickier spell to cast—in other words, it required the user to have more “faith” in me…

But… I mean, Alberto’s still undead, right? Isn’t he weak against the holy attribute? I know I’m not the only one to think that—but Alberto was kept safe, and it was entirely thanks to Adalmann. It turned out to be his previously hidden extra skill, known as Holy-Evil Inversion, at work.

Report. Holy-Evil Inversion is a secret skill crafted by the subject Adalmann. It has the effect of swapping the holy attribute with the evil one and vice versa.

Adalmann used this to change Alberto’s attribute from evil to holy. The effect didn’t extend to his equipment, but since Alberto was undead, there wasn’t any life force for his cursed gear to suck away, so his elemental attribute didn’t matter along those lines. Plus, if an ally applied that skill to him, there was no chance of his body resisting it.

A holy undead? What kind of joke was this? It was unholy, if anything, but Adalmann’s Holy-Evil Inversion made it a reality. And as a spiritual life-form, Adalmann had natural resistances to each kind of elemental attack. Most melee strikes didn’t work on him. As a duo, they had also overcome their weakness against holy attacks. Really, I didn’t see how any normal dungeon-runner team could take them.
{Note: The word Unholy was also italic originally in the OTL (which is equivalent to being in " " in the Japanese raws) so the focus is on it.}

Immediately after Adalmann introduced himself, an oppressive wave rushed over the army. This king was served by a band of unholy death knights, along with a death dragon that still loomed in all its majesty, long after life had escaped its clutches. Its evil roar was unleashed with enough sheer force to flatten the entire space—and then, from the sky, the death dragon landed just past the gate. The deadliest of dragons, the king of the mountain when it came to undead, had now bared its fangs at the imperial army.

So yeah, in summary:

1. Light and Darkness (and its associates) are diametrically opposite.
2. Being that have the demonic attribute (i.e., Undead) are called Unholy (Not Holy), so Logical negation of Holy —⟩ Unholy/Not-Holy —⟩ Demonic.

And, other than the scans above, we also have Existence and Non-existence/Nothingness — No, not the one from Hell, I'm talking about Worlds as Light (Existence, Space, Time) inside the World Gap as Darkness (Non-existence, Spacelessness and Timelessness) as shown in V22.

I could prolly find more example of "Un-insert name" if I scroll through the raws. Will do it if I ever get the motivation¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

 

[AlexSamDen]

Being that have the demonic attribute (i.e., Undead) are called Unholy (Not Holy), so Logical negation of Holy —⟩ Unholy/Not-Holy —⟩ Demonic.

So what are humans and elementals?

And, other than the scans above, we also have Existence and Non-existence/Nothingness — No, not the one from Hell, I'm talking about Worlds as Light (Existence, Space, Time) inside the World Gap as Darkness (Non-existence, Spacelessness and Timelessness) as shown in V22.

More inclined to go with this explanation

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So what are humans and elementals?

There are Light and Darkness elementals as well. But for the others, generally they'll fall under a sub category of either light or darkness.

After all, we have Darkness type flames and Holy type flames. Generally anything whose physiology itself includes Magicules are associated with Demonic, while the opposite is Light.

Note: Spiritons themselves aren't considered "Holy", they're attributeless, but are used along with Holy Power in Holy Magic. So using Spiritons =/= being Holy. Similarly, using Magicules =/= being unholy, it simply means using demonic type magic.

As for all the Elementals summoned in the cardinal world, I'd say they fall under "holy". Since even Demons and Angels are only a type of Light and Darkness elementals. We have Demons specializing in fire, ice, etc, so maybe all the "Demonic" elements fall under that.

As for "humans"...

First, we should know that "Light and Darkness" is the "broadest" duality in-verse and applies to all reality in one way or form, and it has several sub aspects, but those sub aspects apply to only aspects of reality as well.

Examples —⟩ Positivity & Negativity, Good & Evil, Holy & Demonic, Existence & Non-existence, Yin & Yang, Virtue & Sin, Heroes & Demon Lords, and so more that they're described as "too many".

In that sense, humans don't apply to the sub aspects "Holy and Demonic" or "Good and Evil" by default since those are sub dualities of Demonic and Holy beings, but they would fall under Light or Existence in the broader category as much as the whole world itself.

More inclined to go with this explanation

Suit yourself with whichever one you like ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

And, I should include this, there's also the sub-duality of "Physical and Non-Physical/Spiritual" (in that Spiritualness is the absense of Physicalness and vice versa) that applies to all worlds (cardinal world is a perfect chaos world (both), Demon world is a Spiritual world, Rimuru's original world is a Physical world, etc.

Alternatively, there's the worlds that are non-existence, like Hell ( Note that there's a version of "Underworld" in literally all dimensions), and then there's the opposite of that are regular worlds such as Cardinal World or any normal world.

But even with that, all "worlds" are considered a form of Light (the color varies since it's Rainbow light) while the World Gap is considered Darkness.

So World Gap isn't simply "NEP1", it's just something more [in my book personally, it's the difference between 1-A (world Gap) and non 1-A (worlds), that is, an ontological difference).

 

[AlexSamDen]

There are Light and Darkness elementals as well. But for the others, generally they'll fall under a sub category of either light or darkness.

After all, we have Darkness type flames and Holy type flames. Generally anything whose physiology itself includes Magicules are associated with Demonic, while the opposite is Light.

Note: Spiritons themselves aren't considered "Holy", they're attributeless, but are used along with Holy Power in Holy Magic. So using Spiritons =/= being Holy. Similarly, using Magicules =/= being unholy, it simply means using demonic type magic.

As for all the Elementals summoned in the cardinal world, I'd say they fall under "holy". Since even Demons and Angels are only a type of Light and Darkness elementals. We have Demons specializing in fire, ice, etc, so maybe all the "Demonic" elements fall under that.

So is every non-holy magic demonic now? Such as aspectual, etc? It is considered rather standard and separate from dark magic

In that sense, humans don't apply to the sub aspects "Holy and Demonic" or "Good and Evil" by default since those are sub dualities of Demonic and Holy beings, but they would fall under Light or Existence in the broader category as much as the whole world itself.

And that's why I said that it's better to go with existence/nonexistence

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So is every non-holy magic demonic now? Such as aspectual, etc? It is considered rather standard and separate from dark magic

Either it's demonic, or it's outside the sub-duality of holy and demonic and just walls under existence.

And that's why I said that it's better to go with existence/nonexistence

I guess yeah. That's the broader side of Light and Darkness.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Either it's demonic, or it's outside the sub-duality of holy and demonic and just walls under existence.

And by new standards it isn't what a duality should do

I guess yeah. That's the broader side of Light and Darkness.

And a duality should be as broad as possible, so we need more scans for light=existence. Maybe material/spiritual too

 

[Violatas]

@AlexSamDen out of curiosity will your next crt remove the True Dragon resistance from Milim's page? Was just reminded about that since I was going through her profile.
I do think she could be given more resistances honestly going off volume 20 where the combined powers of everyone trying to stop her from blowing up the tree was mostly an annoyance

 

[AlexSamDen]

@AlexSamDen out of curiosity will your next crt remove the True Dragon resistance from Milim's page? Was just reminded about that since I was going through her profile.
I do think she could be given more resistances honestly going off volume 20 where the combined powers of everyone trying to stop her from blowing up the tree was mostly an annoyance

Don't plan on that for now, I also don't remember any straightforward statements about her not having these powers, but I do remember that about those dragonewt cultists under her that they "gradually lost the abilities of their ancestors" and because their origins are really similar, don't see a reason to remove the resistances yet, as it is uncertain. But about new resistances, yea, she gets a lot, but the CRT is already big and these resistances aren't really minor, so probably will leave them to sb else, or just later

 

[Ultimuru]

So in general what are plans for future CRTs?

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Yeah, Milim shouldn't have true dragon specific abilities. True Dragons are basically you are one or you are not even if your parent is one.

“In other words, Milim-sama is not indestructible because she is not a True Dragon species. If you kill Milim-sama, you will incur the wrath of the resurrected Veldanava-sama.” -Volume 16

「つまり、ミリム様は〝竜種〟とは違うので、不滅ではないと。そんなミリム様を殺してしまっては、復活したヴェルダナーヴァ様の怒りを買ってしまうという事ですわね」

Ill check the raws

 

[AlexSamDen]

Yeah, Milim shouldn't have true dragon specific abilities. True Dragons are basically you are one or you are not even if your parent is one.





Ill check the raws

She should have at least some abilities, but we don't actually know which ones

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

And by new standards it isn't what a duality should do

A general duality to be precise. Specific dualities however have some freebees in this aspect because they are that; specific.

She should have at least some abilities, but we don't actually know which ones

I forgot to add, but I think we can remove the unconventional info type 2 resistance for true dragons. The "core" in V1 refers to the physical core, not the heart core. Plus it contradicts stuff in the story if we equate it to the heart core (such as true dragons resetting if their heart core is destroyed).

And yes, I checked the V1 raws for this.

 

[K'rimuru]

So in general what are plans for future CRTs?

Ask Astral, but I think he wants to add Transduality for US users.

And also add a lot of resistance and layers to manipulate them.

 

[AlexSamDen]

A general duality to be precise. Specific dualities however have some freebees in this aspect because they are that; specific.

That's literally the new standard for PP, no blindspots in a duality

I forgot to add, but I think we can remove the unconventional info type 2 resistance for true dragons. The "core" in V1 refers to the physical core, not the heart core. Plus it contradicts stuff in the story if we equate it to the heart core (such as true dragons resetting if their heart core is destroyed).

And yes, I checked the V1 raws for this.

Doesn't that kinda contradict the whole "Conceptual self" stuff he talked about with Ifrit? And that info and it are in one core?

 

[Violatas]

One other thing with Milim; mentioned this before but I think we should adjust the reason for her having EE since honestly it's kinda lacking. I really only noticed that since someone in a server I'm in brought up how bad her profile is awhile back

 

[K'rimuru]

One other thing with Milim; mentioned this before but I think we should adjust the reason for her having EE since honestly it's kinda lacking. I really only noticed that since someone in a server I'm in brought up how bad her profile is awhile back

I don't see any EE on his page...

Are you referring to the LN or WN version ?

 

[Loetkolben16]

Yes overall we can say:

-Milim's high godly needs to go

-The reasoning for power null must change

-The reasoning for her EE must change

-She should have layered EE resistance as well as layered EE

-The unconventional resistance to cm and info manip needs to go

And probably lots of other stuff.

 

[K'rimuru]

Yes overall we can say:

-Milim's high godly needs to go

-The reasoning for power null must change

-The reasoning for her EE must change

-She should have layered EE resistance as well as layered EE

-The unconventional resistance to cm and info manip needs to go

And probably lots of other stuff.

No, because Millim is the daughter of the great Veldanava

 

[Violatas]

I don't see any EE on his page...

Are you referring to the LN or WN version ?

Light Manipulation, Energy Projection & Existence Erasure (Drago Buster is an ability that shoots out a stream of light that makes anything disappear in contact)

Also, the LN

 

[K'rimuru]

Also, the LN

Sorry, I'm blind lol

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

That's literally the new standard for PP, no blindspots in a duality

Doesn't that kinda contradict the whole "Conceptual self" stuff he talked about with Ifrit? And that info and it are in one core?

I'm actually planning to revise that soon. Because "conceptual self" refers to the Soul, or at least that's what I think after a lot of searching for context.

In the past we just equated it to heart core cuz to that statement in V1 without checking the RAWS (I didn't even have the raws at that time lol)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Ask Astral, but I think he wants to add Transduality for US users.

And also add a lot of resistance and layers to manipulate them.

It's not strictly Transduality.
You can call it a super Nonduality that needs 1-A hax to ever harm em

 

[AlexSamDen]

I'm actually planning to revise that soon. Because "conceptual self" refers to the Soul, or at least that's what I think after a lot of searching for context.

In the past we just equated it to heart core cuz to that statement in V1 without checking the RAWS (I didn't even have the raws at that time lol)

Aren't SL able to ressurect from soul destruction, but not core (conceptual self, if that's the matter)

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Aren't SL able to ressurect from soul destruction, but not core (conceptual self, if that's the matter)

Depends. Only the high level SLFs can, equivalent to greater demons or higher. But Demons have a far stronger ego, so I'm not sure if a Greater Demon's resurrection would be equal to a Greater Elemental's Regen or higher.

And, while they so indeed do that, they get a personality reset.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Depends. Only the high level SLFs can, equivalent to greater demons or higher.

Aren't Lesser demons not even considered proper SLF, so pretty much everyone except for them can?

But Demons have a far stronger ego, so I'm not sure if a Greater Demon's resurrection would be equal to a Greater Elemental's Regen or higher.

Greater elementals are proper SLF, so I don't see a reason for them not to, as the resurrection statement is pretty general

And, while they so indeed do that, they get a personality reset.

But they still keep their memories, so kinda a confusing part, that is kinda hard to assert

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Aren't Lesser demons not even considered proper SLF, so pretty much everyone except for them can?

There are further hierarchies between Lesser and Greater Demons based on age, experience and Magicules amount.

Greater elementals are proper SLF, so I don't see a reason for them not to, as the resurrection statement is pretty general

It is specific to Greater Demons, in fact, if you mean the V17 one:

But back to the topic. Newborn demons don’t get involved with factions, but once they evolve into Greater Demons, that’s when they get divided up by color and join one. Some demons are born with a color already associated with them; that’s often the case with reincarnated demons. Demons are immortal, so if they die, they just get reborn like that. Even these, however, can be destroyed if their core is shattered, I think. Demons are pretty tough, though, so maybe even losing their “soul” like that may still be survivable. That’s especially true if you’re closely aligned with the Primal colors. If you’re lucky enough to defeat one, though, you also have to break their core, or your victory will have been pointless.

By the way, you don’t have to be particularly fearful of a newborn, weakwilled demon. They might have battle knowledge, but they’re just wimps with no experience, so even destroying their temporary bodies might be enough to kill them. They’re nothing worth losing sleep over.

But that's, in a sense, because Demons have the highest desire to live, they're the incarnation of desire. And as far as I recall, Veldora has said it many times in the journal that Ifrit's ego is rather weak as he only follows Leon's orders (initially).

But they still keep their memories, so kinda a confusing part, that is kinda hard to assert

True Dragons also retain their memories, if you're gonna talk about that, even if their heart core is destroyed and they get a personality reset still.

I think it's because the Heart Core and Ego is formles and forever changing, as described in V22. That's why he had to synchronize information between his Parallel Existences.

 

[AlexSamDen]

There are further hierarchies between Lesser and Greater Demons based on age, experience and Magicules amount.

Pretty sure hierarchies start from greater demons, as lesser don't even have colors and don't have an proper ego

It is specific to Greater Demons, in fact, if you mean the V17 one:

But that's, in a sense, because Demons have the highest desire to live, they're the incarnation of desire. And as far as I recall, Veldora has said it many times in the journal that Ifrit's ego is rather weak as he only follows Leon's orders (initially).

I'm talking about this one, we also currently use it on our Species page for resurrection
I also don't really remember any statements of demons having a change in personality after death, they are also a lot more casual about death than other SLF, so maybe due to their strong egos they don't have a personality reset? Just like with primordials after core destruction

True Dragons also retain their memories, if you're gonna talk about that, even if their heart core is destroyed and they get a personality reset still.

Yes, know that

I think it's because the Heart Core and Ego is formles and forever changing, as described in V22. That's why he had to synchronize information between his Parallel Existences.

Well, with Fuse's style we can only speculate

 

[Loetkolben16]

If 'ultraspeed regeneration' is high and 'infinite regeneration' is mid godly, then what are we giving 'godspeed regeneration'?

Low godly, possibly mid godly?

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

If 'ultraspeed regeneration' is high and 'infinite regeneration' is mid godly, then what are we giving 'godspeed regeneration'?

Godspeed regeneration is superior to the former but inferior to the latter. Although low-godly regeneration exists, we have no prove to support it , so I’d say it’s still within the high range, maybe atomic-level ? but that might still count as wank.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Pretty sure hierarchies start from greater demons, as lesser don't even have colors and don't have an proper ego

Not all demons are born as greater demons, and neither do they become greater demons straight after getting an ego either. Those are different processes.

I'm talking about this one, we also currently use it on our Species page for resurrection

I think "memories" here instead mean personality, cuz Veldora seems to remember Rimuru (i.e., he says "Ah, Rimuru") but his personality got a reset.
I'll see if I can find the raws for this.

I also don't really remember any statements of demons having a change in personality after death, they are also a lot more casual about death than other SLF, so maybe due to their strong egos they don't have a personality reset? Just like with primordials after core destruction

Maybe, that a theory indeed. But that would just be demon physiology at the end, the discussion about the conceptual self is between Ifrit (a Greater spirit with a not so strong ego) and Veldora (a true dragon).

Yes, know that

Well, with Fuse's style we can only speculate

Lol

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Hey @Astral_Trinity439, do we have any cases where resistance or tolerance types have been bypassed or explicitly stated that it can be bypassed?

I was wondering if we could give  all cancel or nullification type one or more layers of resistance based on that.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Not all demons are born as greater demons, and neither do they become greater demons straight after getting an ego either. Those are different processes

Demons are said to get a color only after becoming a greater demon and you get a color depending on your personality, so basically once you develop a proper ego. Lesser demons are also called weakwilled, so it also means their ego is not complete

I think "memories" here instead mean personality, cuz Veldora seems to remember Rimuru (i.e., he says "Ah, Rimuru") but his personality got a reset.
I'll see if I can find the raws for this

That's what I said there? I only talked about a personality reset and not memory.

Maybe, that a theory indeed. But that would just be demon physiology at the end, the discussion about the conceptual self is between Ifrit (a Greater spirit with a not so strong ego) and Veldora (a true dragon).

Well, spiritual lifeforms are generally able to ressurect from soul destruction, but cannot from conceptual destruction (unlike TD). Primordial demons are said to be able to ressurect after core destruction, contrary to other demons, and in the same way as TD, except for the personality. So basically TD can ressurect from Conceptual Self destruction, contrary to other SL who can ressurect from soul destruction, but not concept and who are also not able to ressurect from core destruction, as it is a specific trait of PD. With all that, I think it's pretty safe to assume that Core is also the concept. Maybe, maybe, you can argue that the concept is the Astral Body (due to magicule stuff and astral bind actually affecting the body, soul etc)

Lol

That's Fuse for you

 

[Ultimuru]

Hey @Astral_Trinity439, do we have any cases where resistance or tolerance types have been bypassed or explicitly stated that it can be bypassed?

I was wondering if we could give  all cancel or nullification type one or more layers of resistance based on that.

If I remember correctly, Veldora's aura was bypassing Rimuru's pain nullification

 

[AlexSamDen]

If I remember correctly, Veldora's aura was bypassing Rimuru's pain nullification

Iirc that was due to it directly hitting the soul

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

If I remember correctly, Veldora's aura was bypassing Rimuru's pain nullification

Well, that’s because Veldora was targeting Rimuru’s very existence, and as far as I know, Pain Nullification is only limited to the physical body. Hinata and Geld managed to bypass it only by targeting the spiritual body itself.