Layering is explicitly about bypassing resistances and Purification does not provide resistance, it just removes the effect
Layers are not just about bypassing resistance, it is also about resisting abilities, hence layered resistance. Purification does grant resistance, especially if like you said it's passive. If the effect it is attempting to remove is layered (such as 1 layer of type 3 madness) there's no proof that it would be capable of purifying that unless specifically stated or shown to be capable of doing so. That's wank bro.
That's just resistance to abilities that bypass normal resistances, nothing against my words
It's literally not? It still allows for the character to be affected by the ability, but just removes it afterwards
Again, what does the ability to bypass resistances to it has to do with, essentially, a powernull?
That is still a resistance dawg, resistance is just the power to withstand the effects of certain abilities through varying means. If the purification is passive it still grants some level of resistance via its affects. That'd be like arguing that Iron Man doesn't have resistance to cosmic radiation just because he needs his suit to achieve this, it would not change the fact that he has said resistance with his suit, the same way these characters would have resistance with purification.
Powernull also has layers, not sure what you're trying to insinuate here.
So is Regeneration now a resistance to Fire Manipulation because it can regenerate fire damage?
A wrong example, with his suit Iron Man isn't affected by radiation at all, while purification characters still are. That's like saying that if Iron Man was affected by CR and then his suit got to him, Iron Man will suddenly lose all signs of being affected
It seems you didn't understand, so I will provide an example. Character A has layered MM2 via some kind of beam. Character B has ranged powernull. A shoots his beam at B and B uses his PN on this beam. Will the MM2 still affect B after being nulled? No, because the ability to bypass resistance to MM2 has nothing to do with it not being affected by powernull
Yeah, I know that it's broad, I'm asking a more specific situation: if a purification ability was shown to work against madness (let's assume type 2, to not return to that discussion with Astraphel), will it remove MM2 no matter the layers and potency (except for 1A ofc), unless this MM was shown to bypass P3?
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I don't see how this anything to do with you trying to argue that purification could bypass layers by default.
I also don't know why @AlipheeseXIV tries to argue it
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You say that layers of MM can bypass P3. That's pretty much the same as saying layers of MM can bypass Power Nullification
So basically what is said in OP is correct, P3 works regardless of potency of the Status effect in question unless stated otherwise?
My point was moreso highlighting that you can't be assumed to bypass a layered ability for the reasons you gave. There has to be proof for this, the same way powernull can't be assumed to bypass just any ability just because it's powernull.
Yeah I mean, it just follows the typical case by case basis of the wiki's standards atp.
Powernull actually is assumed to do so to the ability shown unless stated otherwise
They literally said that if it works the way you described, it's a separate feat for the ability, not a default one
I think you have massively misunderstood what I have been saying, or maybe I have misunderstood what you have been saying. I have been telling you this entire time that the default is assumed to do what it is shown, just that you cannot use any major amount of extrapolation to apply a NLF to it.
I've been saying that if P3 is shown to purify madness, then no amount of regular layers of MM will bypass it
Well like Viet said, it depends. My point was if it is shown purifying normal madness, why do you think that no amount of regular layers can bypass it?
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It means that it being bypassed is not a default option, but a special feat, which means by default you can't bypass it
Again, return to powernull: what's the difference between negating 0 layer fire ability or 100 layers, if both these abilities don't have a resistance to powernull? There is none (I know we don't usually give layers to fire abilities, but still)
Okay, then we definitely had a very major miscommunication because that's what I've been saying.
Yeah well fire manip has no layers, but yes this just comes down to a matter of resistance. The way you had composed the OP made me think you were arguing it the other way around, glad that's sorted.
