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On that note, how long can a crt be open, without any changes happening, before it can/should/will be closed?
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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20
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The previous downgrade thread should prolly be closed to at this point. Staff did not wanna touch that
Also, was peeping Veldora's profile and was thinking we could add Weapon Mastery to his profile. His Veldora Style Killing Arts also includes swordsmanship and a member of Green Fury noted he was skilled in it
Also, was peeping Veldora's profile and was thinking we could add Weapon Mastery to his profile. His Veldora Style Killing Arts also includes swordsmanship and a member of Green Fury noted he was skilled in it
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In itself, I think so.
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Finally back I guess Just playing isekai memories story and ngl its pretty good
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I have heard very good things about the show so yeah I would assume from that it's good
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I have a question for everyone reviewing the books in Japanese and from other sources the story implies that Nihility collapse is the same as the void from the abyss of hell as the void devours information particles is a generalized statement about the void. Not to mention the information from the novels implies that the void that rimuru has and the void from the abyss are the same its just that rimuru can generate the void endlessly and both are called the ultimate destructive energy just that rimurus void is "older" if you will
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I won't be of much help with your question, but just to clarify, how does the fact that Rimuru's void (which, by the way, is its "void" ?) is older than another change anything? And also, could you tell me where it was stated that Nihility Collapse is the same void as the Abyss ?
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It doesn't change anything per say it's just "older" but the narrative and series at least in the Ln don't know about the wn seems to imply the one in hell and void collapse is the same and they both erase information particles they are both described as the ultimate destructive energy and another one is when testarossa said she didn't draw her void against twilight from the abyss which she did it from rimuru/ciel that implies the voids are the same even in the kanji
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Oh and it was stated to be the same or at least heavily implied by context in volume 20 but mainly 22
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Okay, I understand.
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Okay, I haven't read volume 22 yet, and frankly, I don't have the motivation right now, so I'll see.
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Nihility Collapse is superior to the Abyss. The chaos before it and the point of its collapse into nothingness.
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Not what the narrative implies it implies they are the same just one is older not that one is superior I was checking the Japanese version not the mtl
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Unless the function the same but one is a "deeper nothingness" that's the only other argument I can see but the void devours information particles is a statement for both voids going by the context of the scene not to mention Testa caught Twilight off guard with it so he couldn't cancel it out he was too arrogant
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I mean, older does imply superior. And Nihility Collapse is definitely superior when it destroys the Abyss. It's also implied to be when Testa uses it with her white world spell. Nihility Collapse has always been implied to be one of the strongest abilities.
Devouring infons is irrelevant; it doesn't mean they are equal. And I don't think it's ever said he could cancel it.
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One could make the argument that why would testarossa go through the trouble of drawing the void from the abyss if she can just have ciel supply it to her also older doesn't always mean something is superior the diffrent things in tensura have that as a fact
The thing is that in Japanese fuse is clearly trying to tell us something one could make the argument that NC is better but when fuse is talking about the voids they are implying they are the same and do the same things just that rimuru/ciel at the eost have mastered it to a degree that they can create entire worlds not to mention twilight one of the smartest characters was saying "not even Veldanava should have been capable of such a thing" which is controlling the void which also lends credence to the fact they are the same
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Cause Nihility Collapse is hard to manipulate, and can easily destroy the user and the world.
Yeah, but theres so much other evidence that supports it being superior. Older is just a small part.
Uh no, they have different kanji, and it's literally said to be different, the chaos before hell and all.
How? It really should be the opposite. Since even primordial demons can summon the abyss of hell. While you need a manas to control Nihility Collapse. That's like the whole point of why Veldanava lost it.
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I'm just telling you what I saw in those two volumes when I went back too it even twilight one of the smartest characters in the series seems to think its the same as well as the other statements in volume 20 and 22 I could be incorrect don't get me wrong I'm obviously not perfect but gathering all the context they look to be the same and and as for the "needing a manas" Zegion, Testarossa but mainly Diablo have mastered void collapse and they don't have manas Diablo specifically was stated to have mastered it and Veldanava lost it due to not having a storage like Rimuru diablo and the others just borrow some for their attacks or to infuse it into their bodies
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Well you saw wrong.
I don't think he's ever said anything like that.
Because Ciel helps them.
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No where was it stated that Ciel helped them maintain the void only lended it to them and how are you going to tell me I saw wrong and twilight never said such things when I literally reread the volumes if you really did read those two volumes they are right there
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Idk somewhere, maybe I got it mixed up with Rimuru's cells helping them control it.
Because this is something that's imo very obvious and has been consistently said and implied throughout the WN and LN.
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I just sent two images, the narrative is saying otherwise plus wn can't be used for Ln somethings we can cross reference but not everything
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That's a very small part of the narrative.
Testa was using Nihility Collapse with her white world, so his saying that doesn't matter. Both are voids after all.
This is all you need to prove they are different anyways.
“Oh. So Zegion has that power, too.”
“You know what this is, Benimaru?” asked Ramiris. “Then tell us!”
But Benimaru was hesitant. It was a difficult power to explain.
This is probably the same power that Sir Rimuru lent me…
That was about all that he could say about it, too.
In truth, Benimaru had at least a vague awareness of another presence within Rimuru, one that went by the name of Ciel. Something had guided him to this new power, and thanks to that, the Prominence Acceleration he threw at Milim had all that incredible force behind it. As a result of that, though, he was now terribly battered and bruised"
“You know what this is, Benimaru?” asked Ramiris. “Then tell us!”
But Benimaru was hesitant. It was a difficult power to explain.
This is probably the same power that Sir Rimuru lent me…
That was about all that he could say about it, too.
In truth, Benimaru had at least a vague awareness of another presence within Rimuru, one that went by the name of Ciel. Something had guided him to this new power, and thanks to that, the Prominence Acceleration he threw at Milim had all that incredible force behind it. As a result of that, though, he was now terribly battered and bruised"
WN is the rough draft; 75% if not more of it is in the LN.
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Ngl Idk its just confusing you have multiple people and the narrative treating the void as the same idk why fuse does this stuff... In context in volume 22 its trying to paint a picture as if both voids are the same then we get this -
Beyond the collapse of the abyss of hell — or rather, the chaos that existed before hell was born — that is what can be called the true essence of ‘Void Collapse. which just confused me even more... I do overthink things but damn didn't thing I'd get f***** over like this...
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Now I have one more question what would NC grant nep type 1 or type 2?
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Type 2 if we get some good embodiment statements.
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No.
Voids in general devour information particles, yes. It's because they erase the information written in information particles, so the information particle is like "Huh? What was I supposed to do?" and doesn't do what the user had imprinted on it.
Actually no, both of them are endless, not just Rimuru's. It just depends on if the user controls a specific amount of let's them run amok.
Once again, no. In essence:
The difference between Abyss of Hell and Hell's conventional Nothingness/Void is the same as between existence and Non-existence, that is, Abyss is a form of Nothingness beyond the normal.
But still, that's simply about how nonexistent said Void is, ultimately both NEP1 but different layers, working on the same framework known as "Hell".
Taking that into a step even further is Twilight, who introduces us with his Pseudo-Hell (still within the framework of Hell) that basically serves as the endpoint of the Abyss.
If I had to give an example from another verse, think of it like Anos and Graham fighting with their sources (Anos's source keeps destroying Graham's and Graham's source keeps trying to bring Anos's source to Nothingness)
Do note that the "Soul" (of demons in specific) is already made of Nothingness (the structure and composition of the Soul varies in each world due to them having different composites. And Twilight's Hell was about to, in his own thoughts at least (meaning theoretically true) capable of swalloing what he thought was Nothingness from the Abyss of Hell (White World). Though he failed since it wasn't that at all, lol.
And then there's Void Collapse - It's not "Nothingness" per say, really, it's just called that for concenience, its true essence is more so "Chaos". Chaos that exists before the birth of Hell as a whole framework, and what remains after that whole framework is destroyed (Abyss included).
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Yaay, my CRT is finally closed
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Will need to check the raws to confirm if it's referring to the physical core of the physical body or information one
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So, the standards for Nonduality have changed, do you think our GS of Light and Dark still qualify?
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Not astral, but as long as we can prove that they represent the duality of existence and non-existence ( which I think they are), they would qualify, maybe even for Type 2.
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I also think so, but we might need more scans, as rn Light doesn't mention existence, even though Darkness mentions nonexistence
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Well, if darkness is nonexistence, then its opposing force , that is, light , would represent existence, I guess. Considering the verse treats the two dualities as contradictories.
But yeah , we definitely gonna need scans ( which i think astral has btw).
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Really only the name changed.
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