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Yea, she basically transformed into Fate to avoid Eden's attacks which had a 0% possibility of avoiding, again more explanation to to Fate's profile when I edit it, that she can create possibilities even when there is 0% possibility of something happening.
I think Alice should get AE2 and 1 as well as NEP1 after she transforms into Isis and Kuro tbh, since Isis's powers are her entire existence so to use she'd need a similar existence too. And she doesn't simply copy them, she "transforms" into them.
How dare you say maids don't make sense according to the maidology constitution act 69, you should be publically crucified upside down in a maid uniform
Couldn't find where it was shown Alice transformed into Isis, but if someone can find it, please post it in the thread, also having re-read Alice vs Eden I have come to a certain realization, 6 Kings should indeed be High 3-A....
Eden shows up, and Alice and Kaito are brought to a cybernetic white world
[Well, unfortunately, the restaurant we’re going to today doesn’t serve dragon meat, but rather, the meat of a bird called Emerald Bird……]
[Ohhhh, Emerald Bird huh, that’s quite the high-quality meat we’re having! Well~~ I’m looking forward to it! Ahh, I’m also free to get refills!? Thank yo…… Fugyaaahhh!?]
[Cut that out.]
As I dropped my fist on Alice’s head, who tried to keep adding the all-you-can-eat option at every opportunity that she can, I chuckled at her usual goofiness.
As I thought, for some reason, being with Alice is fun and carefree. Could that be why? The reason why I feel like today’s date is going to be fun.
Right as I was walking forward with that thought in mind…… In the next moment, the landscape dramatically changed.
[……Eh?]
The landscape around me was clearly abnormal, as to whether it’s the scenery, the ground or the buildings…… Even the people on the street, all of them disappeared, as I found myself within a space that only has the color white.
However, the abnormal phenomenon continues, as a number of colors ran through the whitewashed landscape. Those colors began to form a landscape that resembles those cybernetic spaces that I saw in anime and video games. At the very least though, this was a landscape that shouldn’t have existed in this world.-Chapter 287
Alice was able to blow Eden away, and deflecting her attacks, obviously pure power here
[Return…… Return…… to the me of those times…… to the time when I was “weak”……]
[Alice……?]
Muttering to herself, Alice lowered her body and prepared her stance.
[The enemies I had fought against were far more powerful to me…… Even so! I want to return…… to the time when “I protected everyone until the end”!!!]
[!? ]
At that moment, Alice unleashed it. Her “true self” that she has sealed away…… Just like a dead person, her self that had only been something of the far, distant past……
Immediately afterwards, Alice’s magic power, which had been gushing out like a storm, quieted down like an ocean without a single wave, enveloping herself in silence.
Alice doesn’t look intimidating anymore…… And seeing this, for the first time, the Earth God “prepared for battle”.
As she spread out her wings to intercept her opponent, the Earth God’s body was blown away across the white space.
[Speed, Assumption, Exceed…… Threat, Recognize, Intercept!]
Still muttering that with her matter-of-fact tone, after stopping in mid-air in movements that defy the law of physics, the Earth God spreads her twenty wings wide.
Thereupon, light dwells on the tips of her wings and a dazzling flash of light is released towards Alice, who is approaching at super speed. Seeing this blast of light, Alice brandished the knives in both of her hands to the incoming flash, and deflected it without slowing down at all.
And soon after, huge trees appeared from the empty space and blocked the incoming bombardment.
Amidst the scene filled with huge explosions…… This time, Alice appears, holding a huge staff of several meters long, and Alice, who has transformed into a girl with two shades of black hair, appears and holds up her staff.
Thereupon, Alice’s magic power explosively increased and began converging on the tip of her wand.
As if to say that it was revenge from her attack earlier, a huge jet-black magical bombardment burst towards the Earth God.
Watching it quietly, I don’t know if it would be apt to say finally…… as the Earth God moved her hand “for the first time”, and flicked the bombardment to the side.
[Surprise, You, Ability, Measurement, Difficult.]
[……How long can you afford to be that carefree? I don’t know which God you are, but this wouldn’t be the first time…… that I will kill a God!]
Returning to her “former tone of voice” and hearing Alice’s words intimidatingly sharp eyes, the Earth God realized that the wound of her right hand that was cut earlier hasn’t regenerated.-Chapter 288
Alice even tanks Eden's attacks
She will be fine, so will the girl in front of her. However, what about that human? Humans, unlike beings such as the two of them, can’t generate inexhaustible amounts of energy. If this fight goes on for days, months or years, that human will die…… No, even if the human doesn’t die from getting caught up by their attacks, if that human suffers from hunger…… Wouldn’t that mean that the human is harmed?
If that’s the case, at that moment, the half-body of that God will intervene. If that happens, the situation would turn for the worst. She wouldn’t be able to determine the true value of that human.
While thinking about this, the Earth God…… Finally launched an all-out attack with “only her power”.
The newly created light bullets, each of which is several meters in diameter…… with over hundreds of millions of these light bullets released at a speed comparable to that of light.
The rush of light that filled the space instantly engulfed Alice’s body and caused a really huge explosion.
[Conclusion……!?]
[……F- Fufufu…… Hahaha……]
The Earth God thought that this was already settled, but on the end of Earth God’s gaze, she found the “unharmed” Alice, laughing from within the smoke of the explosion.-Chapter 289
Though maybe you could argue she didn't tank anything here and just dodged like Eden later explained, but anyway Alice scales.
Back to the size of the cybernetic space Eden created, like in the LN it's stated to be infinite in size
[There’s an enemy in front of me that I need to defeat, and behind me is my important person that I want to protect…… Ahhh, this is it…… This is the real me…… Finally, I’m finally “catching up to my old self”……]
[!? ]
[This is—— At this moment—— The farthest my heart had reached—— Exceed my limits—— And now, weave the world! ——?κατ?γχειρε?!!!]
With a powerful shout, the numerous lights that surround Alice are all absorbed into her body.
The pressure released by Alice increases and along with that, her magic power increases.
Although Alice is supposed to be the only one in front of the Earth God, Alice’s presence feels overwhelming, as if a vast number of warriors are forming an army, and a smile appears on Alice’s lips.
[Iris, Noel…… Everyone, lend me your strength. I won’t let anyone steal Kaito-san, I don’t want to be parted with Kaito-san……. and I will not be defeated by anyone! Come…… Let’s begin! Let’s kill a God for the second time!]
[Ability, Ascend…… Threat.]
Within the infinite space, flashes of light repeatedly exploded.
The Earth God stopped holding back and unleashed a variety of attacks on Alice…… but she is still alive and well.-Chapter 289
And at the end of the fight, Eden returns Alice and Kaito back to Trinia, cracking open this space
As I was thinking about this, the angel spun around and turned away. Behind her back, I saw a golden ring floating behind her back and pure white wings growing out of it…… Eh? I thought those wings were growing out of her back!?
O- Or rather, is our conversation over with that? Eh? Could it be…… It’s because she’s coming back on another day? The heck is that, that’s scary.
The angel slowly walked away from us, and after moving for about 10 meters away from us, she turned around.
Then, looking at me, who was confused and wasn’t able to catch up with the situation, a faint smile appeared on her mouth and she slowly spoke.
[……My name is “Eden”…… Until we meet again, my beloved child.]
[!? ]
With those words, the space that looks like a cybernetic world cracked open, and the scenery around us returned to the middle of the street we were in earlier.
And the figure of the angel…… Eden-san disappeared before I knew it, as if she had never existed right from the start.-Chapter 290
Anyway Eden clearly created this infinite space, and destroyed it, and Alice could fight this "nerfed" Eden harming her.
Come the final arc, Alice retained all the strength she gained against Eden, and while stronger than the 10xamped Supreme Gods she doesn't one shot them
[……Don’t think you can catch up with me with that carefree fate manipulation of yours.]
Alice, who has just appeared, doesn’t have any noticeable scars, and even her robe was almost spotless. Seeing this proof that she really is overpowering Fate, Chronois immediately stopped time.
(This is unbelievable. I really did assume that Phantasmal King would be the most troublesome. However, my evaluation of her was still naive. For her to be even more powerful than the current God of Fate…… I have to take care of her as soon as possible!)
With the time stopped, Chronois went behind the timestopped Alice and after her fist hit the back of Alice’s head, her time stop was released.
The fist, which contains Chronois’ intent to kill, “pierced” the back of Alice’s head, “annihilating” her.
[Wha…… I- It’s a clone! This is b——— Gaaahhh!?]
Realizing that Alice had somehow swapped with a clone too late, a sharp kick was slammed to Chronois’ side, sending her flying.
Bouncing on the ground a few times, making big craters on the floating island, Chronois regained her stance halfway and landed on both feet, holding onto her side where she was kicked.
(That’s ridiculous, what the heck is with that power!? For the current me to take this much damage……)
Strengthened by Shallow Vernal, Chronois has nearly ten times the magic power of her normal self. Her physical power that comes with that magic power is overwhelming, and even if she were to be attacked by a strike that held enough power to wipe out all in this space, she wouldn’t take much damage.
In fact, the current Chronois doesn’t even suffer a scratch even when she is attacked by Ein, who is comparable to the Six Kings.
However, Alice managed to deal damage to such a Chronois with just a kick. That means, Alice can easily penetrate the magic defense of the strengthened Chronois……-Chapter 630
And then later on, it's only after she uses UBF that she gets stronger than Life who is physically the strongest God, who was confident initially she had a chance of wining
(……In this case, I can do this. I have more pure power than her…… If I can engage her in battle with God of Time and Space’s support……)
She could see a faint chance of victory…… But immediately after….. Life was powerfully slammed on the ground.
[……Eh?]
The damage she received itself was minimal. However, she couldn’t immediately understand what had happened.
(…… “I lost in power”? Me? How? After all, just now……)
She certainly should have been overpowering her. It was impossible for her, the God of Life, to misjudge the physical capabilities of her opponent. With that thought in mind, she turned her gaze to Alice, who was quietly looking down at her, and became astonished.
She then immediately shouted to Chronois, who was astonishedly looking from a distance.
[God of Time and Space! This is bad! We need to defeat her quickly……]
[W- What do you mean?]
[It’s going up! In just seconds…… no, even faster than that! Phantasmal King’s “physical abilities and magic power continues to increase at an explosive rate”! If she becomes even more powerful, she’ll really be out of our control!]
[What!?]
Fate, who was watching their exchange of attack and defense from a short distance away, was also astonished, as her eyes opened wide, just like Chronois and Life.
[Eeeehhhh…… W- What’s happening? Shall-tan is clearly getting stronger and stronger……]-Chapter 643
Anyway Post Eden Alice is somewhere above 10x6 King/Supreme God level, but initially not on Life's level who can one shot the amped Gods due to scaling to Megiddo, its a big difference from the regular 6 Kings and Supreme Gods but quantifiable, meaning Pre-Final Arc characters are still on a quantifiable level in terms of the difference between them and Alice, who is High 3-A, and going down that logic, the 6 Kings are a billion to a trillion times above High/Upper Counts, which means they are also High 3-A...
So everyone, High Count and above High 3-A, Idk if I want to entertain all the implications here though, like what would this mean for speed? Unlike the LN, we don't see Alice crossing the infinite space, moving so fast not even numbers can measure it, and despite increases in magic being an increase in physical ability, don't think I want to entertain infinite speed as there would be a contradiction of High Counts being High 3-A, yet being stated to be lightspeed.
It’s well-known that Kaito’s true blessing from Shiro nullifies malicious magic, but in fact, it also nullifies the opponent’s magical defenses.
That’s why when he gave the young lady a knock on the head that would normally break a wall before it does, she actually felt some pain — even if just a little.
By the way, beings of Count-class level usually pull some nonsense like nullifying the nullification or something equally absurd.
As for Alice-chan — when Kaito gives her a bonk on the head, she intentionally doesn’t nullify it…Could she be an M?
Additional note — what about their durability without magical defense?
Kuro and Alice can withstand even world-destroying level attacks with just their natural defense.
The other Six Kings — if they took a planet-destroying level attack, they’d probably get a little injured.
As for the young lady, right now she can shatter orichalcum with a headbutt.
Edit: Btw, Alice transformed into Lillywood, not Life, to block the danmaku from Eden, I believe.
Not sure entirely but it feels like it happened in the LN side of things since its implied with sinister magic power and "power within Realm of Gods" which is a trait of Isis
With how Alice's powers work it shouldn't be a stretch I guess
If she can copy Kuro then she can copy Isis Remnant but well totally up to how you interpretate it
High Rank Demons were your average Street Tier Fighters
Count Ranks are the BS OP MCs in many isekais that defied logic and levels countries and more
Six Kings are like the Final Bosses that are unchallenged for millions of years
World Creators gives me the End All Be All "Final Secret Boss" Type characters.
Like the ones the author would comment on being way too unfair and would tell MCs not to fight it. Basically High End JRPG Bosses (cough cough Final Fantasy)
Higher Order Beings are the Super Esoteric beings you find in Cosmic Horror Tales and so on
Yea this is a LN addition, it's not there in the WN, it's not far-fetched to think she can also do this in the WN, but the feat doesn't exist, so ehh.
Speaking of the LN, still very much interested in seeing where Toudai takes it because they already made it clear Eden/Makina used her full power, an equivalent amount to Kuro when fighting Alice, meanwhile in the WN you could argue Eden was intentionally nerfing herself, but yea if Final Arc shows up and we still have stuff like Alice retaining the strength she gained from Eden, and Life was initially still stronger than her physically despite Alice face tanking world destroying attacks, we are gonna have a big mess to deal with.
I feel like Toudai may rewrite the Final Arc to include more things
Would be Happy if Nebula could make a cameo along with other world creators because I kind of want to see their designs and more even if their interaction is minor
Also iirc Fate has this white haired form akin to Shiro since Shiro's magic power overwrites someone's existence. Something like that
So everyone, High Count and above High 3-A, Idk if I want to entertain all the implications here though, like what would this mean for speed? Unlike the LN, we don't see Alice crossing the infinite space, moving so fast not even numbers can measure it, and despite increases in magic being an increase in physical ability, don't think I want to entertain infinite speed as there would be a contradiction of High Counts being High 3-A, yet being stated to be lightspeed.
On this issue, it's a matter of wording I suppose. The quote in 1189 states that High Counts can move at light speed, but it doesn't use wording such as "up to" light speed, so it's not a definitive limit for them.
Then comes powercreep in chapter 1846, where the author states even low counts can "handle" light speed. And high counts scale above low counts, so for this, you can still argue high counts have an absurd speed rating that goes beyond light speed, though the exact value I do not know, so it would be a "possibly" for high counts if you wanted to argue for a higher speed tier for the six kings and those that affected by their changes.
You don't have to be lightspeed to be able to deal with lightspeed, Relativistic is enough.
But yea definitely won't be arguing for infinite speed, because if you use the same logic of a proportional increase across all stats, a baron rank who is city level should already be like MFTL+, because body strengthening let's them go from human level to city level which is like what 16 digits above, but their speed is only transonic to hypersonic+.
To be fair, the conversation in chapter 1846 is within context of "movement", not how to deal or react to an opponent moving at a certain speed superior to their own. It was a comparison to barons moving at sound speed rather than react to. Though, yeah, I can see arguing for infinite speed is not too likely unless we could merge WN and LN
Yea that's the thing, the characters are just living their lives, and then we just get a mention here and there about how powerful these chill characters are, or even its not even meant to be about power like Megiddo aging wine, meanwhile other series are hardcore about action and fighting and this series is still out scaling them.
It's just hilarious at this point, and the fact that this series is 2400+ chapters in with no ending in sight means we can go hundreds of chapters just seeing Kaito going around causing stomachaches, but 1 day all of sudden we get some neat detail like hey did you know this character exists in an infinite number of dimensions? Neat right, now back to slice of life.
Isekai at Peace is the only series in the entirety of Fiction to have Cthulian Other Wordly Gods fight multiversal wars, armies of Heroes, Demon Lords and Monsters wage war and annihilation just to be the invitedto a tea party with Kaito
All of this could be happening in the background and just not be important at all because hey the world is at peace
But yea its Kaito kun after all, can't wait for birthday number 3 where even more World Creators will show up, and we get more lore bombs, first birthday party we had temporal dimensions being a confirmed thing because Shiro and Eden wanted to be the first to give Kaito their gifts, 2nd birthday we not only learned of Higher Order beings, we even get statements that The Epilogue is still not in comparison even compared to 1-A beings.
How does a series get you hyped for birthday parties? Lmao.
first birthday party is in castle, second birthday party is in another universe in a whole planet, the third party will be in a world between infinite dimension where it is stated that each higher dimension looked at the lower dimension as if they're fiction and then those on Mamakina level is casually high 1-A and then Nebula is high 1-A+ while The Epilogue is High 1-A+ structure itself
Couldn't find where it was shown Alice transformed into Isis, but if someone can find it, please post it in the thread, also having re-read Alice vs Eden I have come to a certain realization, 6 Kings should indeed be High 3-A....
If it's okay, should I make it well, get boat to make it? I already got almost all of the stuff laid out perfectly and got my own few ideas, will it be fine?
more like there's a lot of World creators because they're essentially eternal, and since Shiro didn't go mass extinction mode anymore, more bound to pop up