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The Gear of Madness (Madness Combat vs Metal Gear)

The TAC-BAR functions against bullets, does it do the same for melee attacks?
Depends on what you think is a melee attack is here. And even then, he can still sense and dodge incoming threats so it’s not like it matters if Raiden shoots or tries to attack him in melee, he’d be able to see what’s about to hit him.

TAC-BAR works against a lot of things that aren’t bullets. It’s just vaguely projectiles.
 
Also I’d just like to put it out now;

Hank never had the tac-bar before blowing himself up. He is fully capable of dodging bullets and melee attacks without his goofy battle senses.
 
Depends on what you think is a melee attack is here. And even then, he can still sense and dodge incoming threats so it’s not like it matters if Raiden shoots or tries to attack him in melee, he’d be able to see what’s about to hit him.
Melee attacks with a blade, slashing and lunging. Are there any more instances of that Extrasensory Perception or is that the only one where it happens?
 
Raiden can attempt stealth attacks, since even if Hank can intercept them, it would likely be when he was about to be attacked, but if Raiden tries to use his stealth for evasions, whether to recharge or look for more electrolytes, he will definitely do so.
 
Raiden can attempt stealth attacks, since even if Hank can intercept them, it would likely be when he was about to be attacked, but if Raiden tries to use his stealth for evasions, whether to recharge or look for more electrolytes, he will definitely do so.
Raiden can only absorb electrolytes with his Custom Cyborg Body (and the blades he uses with it)

Depending on which models the GEKKOs are being used here, he could attain their Repair Units
 
Raiden isn’t stealthy enough to just disappear from someone’s sight while out in the open (he needs to break line of sight and often being fully exposed means death or no getting back into stealth in most metal gear games). This isn’t Skyrim or fallout, people can see in metal gear. So Hank will just see him, SBA has Hank staring at him when the match begins
 
Raiden isn’t stealthy enough to just disappear from someone’s sight while out in the open (he needs to break line of sight and often being fully exposed means death or no getting back into stealth in most metal gear games). This isn’t Skyrim or fallout, people can see in metal gear. So Hank will just see him, SBA has Hank staring at him when the match begins
The battle takes place in Outer Haven. There are more than enough places to dissapear from Hank's sight. Stealth Camo will astronomically aid in this.
 
But that assumes he runs off and gets to run off rather than being shot or deciding to just go in because Hank is directly staring at him.
 
Raiden isn’t like snake, he’s willing to fight out in the open and does so all the time. Plus again, getting caught this badly in metal gear means you usually stay detected till you die
 
But that assumes he runs off and gets to run off rather than being shot or deciding to just go in because Hank is directly staring at him.
Raiden won't get shot, he will deflect bullets being fired at him. Again, you'd have to prove said bullets being faster than Hank not being an anti-feat for him. This supposed statistical advantage you suggest for his weapons being faster than he is isn't indexed in the first place.
 
Literally watch any madness combat video ever. The bullets fly across rooms and hallways while Hank moves like a foot to barely dodge. The current speed feat he scales to is raising his blade up once to an enemy gun and promptly getting shot because it was too fast for him directly after. With the difference being shown to be the same with the rel guns they shot far past Hank all over the shop.

If raiden’s blade gets hit anywhere but the actual cutting part it’s split in half because Hank consistently can be shredded by and shred people on par with him with his guns.
 
Literally watch any madness combat video ever. The bullets fly across rooms and hallways while Hank moves like a foot to barely dodge. The current speed feat he scales to is raising his blade up once to an enemy gun and promptly getting shot because it was too fast for him directly after.
Okay, then why isn't that even mentioned in the profile? Just get it added. Surely a match can't be added for a reason that isn't even in the profile to begin with?

The entire blade, save for the handle, is made up of the same particle type, basically all of it.
 
Because profiles usually don’t mention speed differences like this all the time. It’s not higher like a different tier, just fast relative to Hank. Plus he has shot guns how does raiden parry that while being in any form slower
 
But you can’t cut with the board side of the blade, it circles it across the top and bottom of the blade never has it shown to bunt something to destroy it
 
But you can’t cut with the board side of the blade, it circles it across the top and bottom of the blade never has it shown to bunt something to destroy it
This isn't the usual sword we're talking about, this is a HF Blade with extra invisible range even, if the entire sword is made up of the same particle type, it's gonna do the same thing one side would do as the other.
 
He’s never shown the ability to stab with the side. Nothing even comes close to that. The invisible slashes follow where the blade would normally cut, Armstrong can be stabbed by stronger versions of these blades yet can touch the side
 
I don't really know the details for resistance on HF Blades, would prolly need Chariot here for that.
 
This isn't the usual sword we're talking about, this is a HF Blade with extra invisible range even, if the entire sword is made up of the same particle type, it's gonna do the same thing one side would do as the other.
Hank senses it and dodges? Lmao he doesn’t need to know the extra range is there to dodge it. Thats the point of his combat senses he has. Dodging things he doesn’t know are there.
Okay, then why isn't that even mentioned in the profile? Just get it added. Surely a match can't be added for a reason that isn't even in the profile to begin with?
Didn’t you bring up the fact that he could “shoot” the “exclamation point” that appears when Hank dodges to stun him despite that not being on the profile? The double standards…

Anyways, no, guns in madness combat upscale above literally every character in the series besides the literal god tiers. I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue besides semantics.
 
Hank senses it and dodges? Lmao he doesn’t need to know the extra range is there to dodge it. Thats the point of his combat senses he has. Dodging things he doesn’t know are there.
Asking again, is that the only instance where it's shown he does that? It seems to only tell him the general direction of where it comes from, not that it actively tracks where it's coming from.
Didn’t you bring up the fact that he could “shoot” the “exclamation point” that appears when Hank dodges to stun him despite that not being on the profile? The double standards…
I wasn't the first to bring up stuff that weren't in the profiles, but two wrongs don't make a right.
 
Raiden isn’t stealthy enough to just disappear from someone’s sight while out in the open (he needs to break line of sight and often being fully exposed means death or no getting back into stealth in most metal gear games). This isn’t Skyrim or fallout, people can see in metal gear. So Hank will just see him, SBA has Hank staring at him when the match begins
I never said that Raiden simply disappears from Hank's sight, but it's obvious that at the distance he is and with the ability he has, he can resort to stealth if he deems it necessary.
 
Asking again, is that the only instance where it's shown he does that? It seems to only tell him the general direction of where it comes from, not that it actively tracks where it's coming from.
Let's pretend Raiden did have some power nullification or something to bypass it, two scenarios may occur;

1. Hank dies, resurrects, and now knows the extended range is there and now the ability is more of less irrelevant because he'll begin dodging it anyways

2. Hank doesn't die and is only injured, and now knows the extended range is there and now the ability is more of less irrelevant because he'll begin dodging it anyways

Regardless if the ability does cover it (which it does because Raiden doesn't have any abilities to bypass it) the extended range isn't going to carry Raiden to victory or anything. But that's also assuming that Raiden mysteriously can bypass an ability that was literally built for this very scenario where Hank can't see something coming.
 
Asking again, is that the only instance where it's shown he does that? It seems to only tell him the general direction of where it comes from, not that it actively tracks where it's coming from.

I wasn't the first to bring up stuff that weren't in the profiles, but two wrongs don't make a right.
But the thing I am bringing up doesn’t need to be on the profile. The entire point of the speed equalization rules is so your projectiles don’t end up so slow they become irrelevant. They always keep the speed relative to the user and hank’s bullets are cartoonishly faster than him.
 
I never said that Raiden simply disappears from Hank's sight, but it's obvious that at the distance he is and with the ability he has, he can resort to stealth if he deems it necessary.
Which he won’t because Hank is literally going to be there, both in the open, staring at him. Raiden will go to stab him like he’s done 30 or so other fights before. Most metal gear characters don’t go run off to hide when caught this hilariously badly in the open.
 
It did in the original Project Nexus, but this apparently got retconned in the sequel and it doesn't do it anymore
I mean is that really a hard retcon versus it just doesn’t do it in the second game. Don’t see why that would erase the first game’s melee dodge site wise
 
I mean is that really a hard retcon versus it just doesn’t do it in the second game. Don’t see why that would erase the first game’s melee dodge site wise
Madness franchise is famously inconsistent with its lore and Project Nexus 2 is an epitome of this. The description of Tac Bars in this game explicitly says that it can only avoid "bullets", although even this is pretty iffy as on practice it also has shown to be able dodge non-bullets like dissonant projectiles and even straight lasers (at least small ones) among some other stuff, so yeah
 
I guess I could make a question and answers board on if 2 should absolutely override 1 when it comes to melee attacks. Since it’s like street fighter and guilty gear with stun. Last I checked we just give which characters were in which games the different mechanics. Like when I made a strive crt the strive characters didn’t get status effect inducement but the cast of the rest of the games still kept theirs and street fighter has regular stun and burn out versus the 6 characters just getting burn out
 
Raiden isn’t stealthy enough to just disappear from someone’s sight while out in the open
Yes he is what? He literally even does like multiple times?
(he needs to break line of sight and often being fully exposed means death or no getting back into stealth in most metal gear games).
You're objectively wrong, idk what games you've been playing but ignoring the fact there's hard statements on that front, even cutscenes where they're surrounded and mog the shit out of a dozen armed soldiers at once, and in Raiden's case has confirmed training fending off dozens of superhumans at the same time, you're just flat-out wrong.
This isn’t Skyrim or fallout, people can see in metal gear. So Hank will just see him, SBA has Hank staring at him when the match begins
Stun Grenade. 1.5 million candelas with a decibel count of over 200, hard stated. For reference, 200 decibels is above the threshold for hearing damage and these can knock out fully equipped Tengu from a distance, so things like just having goggles won't be helping.

Edit: Oh this is cyborg Raiden, even better 🗿
 
Nevadeans don’t have physical ears. Good luck damaging what isn’t there.
Since when did you need ears to sustain hearing or internal damage? You know you don't actually hear with your ears right? That's just external anatomy. That isn't what's harmed here.
They obviously have some sort of sensory organs, whether they're like a goddam iguana or some weird nematode idc, having ears doesn't detract from what I said, and unless you can prove they're deaf and can't hear at all, while lacking the actual sensory organs like the cochlea and more, it is what it is.
 
Since when did you need ears to sustain hearing damage? You know you don't actually hear with your ears right? That's just external anatomy.
They obviously have some sort of sensory organs, whether they're like a goddam iguana or some weird nematode idc, having ears doesn't detract from what I said, and unless you can prove they're deaf and can't hear at all, while lacking the actual sensory organs like the cochlea and more, it is what it is.
They in fact do not need to have sensory organs. Same creatures with levitating hands can just hear/see anyways without having any. Their anatomy is pretty simple and has been shown they only have the brain, digestive organs, and heart/lungs. Everything else is absent.
 
They in fact do not need to have sensory organs. Same creatures with levitating hands can just hear/see anyways without having any. Their anatomy is pretty simple and has been shown they only have the brain, digestive organs, and heart/lungs.
I didn't ask for conjecture or headcanon, I'm saying prove it.
You just contradicted yourself as it is, "they don't need to, oh but they have all this other stuff they don't need based on that same logic too". Which is to say, you're just guessing they don't have those particular things despite having these other things they also wouldn't need based on this premise, ergo, it's not an argument, burden of proof is on you.
Your argument isn't sufficient, they can hear, yes? Thus, prove they do not have any sensory organs, they have a brain right? So they have nerves do they not? So why wouldn't they have sensory nerves too? As just one example. You need to prove this, and prove it now, otherwise it's not an argument, end of.

Like "they can see", yeah they got eyes dude, which fyi the stun grenades at that level would probably cause temporary blindness and sensory overload, regardless of regeneration btw, but that's beside the point.
 
I didn't ask for conjecture or headcanon, I'm saying prove it.
You just contradicted yourself as it is, "they don't need to, oh but they have all this other stuff they don't need based on that same logic too". Which is to say, you're just guessing they don't have those particular things despite having these other things they also wouldn't need based on this premise, ergo, it's not an argument, burden of proof is on you.
Your argument isn't sufficient, they can hear, yes? Thus, prove they do not have any sensory organs, they have a brain right? So they have nerves do they not? So why wouldn't they have sensory nerves too? As just one example. You need to prove this, and prove it now, otherwise it's not an argument, end of.

Like "they can see", yeah they got eyes dude, which fyi the stun grenades at that level would probably cause temporary blindness and sensory overload, regardless of regeneration btw, but that's beside the point.
I’m away from my computer and will be for most of today, but I’ll gladly send the scans later today. It’s been directly stated they have no idea what eyes are in the first place and an anatomy chart in game has shown they have no eyes or ears.

Suppose we can continue this when I get the chance to send all the scans
 
I’m away from my computer and will be for most of today, but I’ll gladly send the scans later today. It’s been directly stated they have no idea what eyes are in the first place and an anatomy chart in game has shown they have no eyes or ears.

Suppose we can continue this when I get the chance to send all the scans
Dude, idk how much clearer I can be on this.
"Since when did you need ears to sustain hearing or internal damage? You know you don't actually hear with your ears right? That's just external anatomy. That isn't what's harmed here."
"They obviously have some sort of sensory organs, whether they're like a goddam iguana or some weird nematode idc, having ears doesn't detract from what I said, and unless you can prove they're deaf and can't hear at all, while lacking the actual sensory organs like the cochlea and more, it is what it is."

Like what, you gonna argue a gekko doesn't have "ears" too so they'd be fine? I know they don't have external ears, I'm not blind, what you need to prove is that the internal anatomy isn't there, ie, the things actually being effected, or they lack any and all sensory anatomy. They obviously don't, they're not deaf, they have something, it's on you to prove that something isn't the default assumption in much the same way we'd assume they have a brain by default regardless of funny rayman hands (which lo and behold, they do, in fact, have).
Like I really shouldn't have to explain that the EARS aren't actually relevant here, but rather what's inside one's head. and given they have a brain, and all that cool stuff, I have zero reason to believe they lack the stuff literally connected to said brain.

Same for the eye thing, they can see somehow, whether it's through gelatinous lobules or their skin itself, they still get that information somehow, thus sensory overload is still on the table unless they're legit just blind and Daredevil.
 
Yes he is what? He literally even does like multiple times?

You're objectively wrong, idk what games you've been playing but ignoring the fact there's hard statements on that front, even cutscenes where they're surrounded and mog the shit out of a dozen armed soldiers at once, and in Raiden's case has confirmed training fending off dozens of superhumans at the same time, you're just flat-out wrong.

Stun Grenade. 1.5 million candelas with a decibel count of over 200, hard stated. For reference, 200 decibels is above the threshold for hearing damage and these can knock out fully equipped Tengu from a distance, so things like just having goggles won't be helping.

Edit: Oh this is cyborg Raiden, even better 🗿
I don’t mean like he canonically loses the fight. I mean that in game if you run out in the open enemies don’t just lose sight of you (and game wise kill the crap out of you in 1 and 2 which is what I was referring to, but the dying part is gameplay). That’s all I meant. Meaning Hank shouldn’t either. And raiden has gone for stealth but why would he here when he starts out in the open with his opponent staring straight at him when he’ll go fight many many people out in the open.
 
Like all of revengance is him seeing a guy, then promptly charging them and not trying stealth ever against anyone of importance. He also doesn’t try stealth against many significant opponents in previous games. That’s why I don’t see why he wouldn’t assume he couldn’t just parry the bullets, charge in, then get shot by a bullet way faster than him and die since they upscale from 5 times his durability.
 
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