Kai Chisaki (Overhaul) Vs Ken Kaneki THE FINALE (My Hero Academia Vs Tokyo Ghoul) [16-27-0]

[DarthSorox]

man I remember watching that show.


anyways me need know, what arg for both

Kaneki's Wincons:

-Equal analytical prediction (Chisaki marks those who are faster, Kaneki marks those who react to blitz at the level of teleportation)
-Accelerated perception (slowmo)
-Multilayered blitz amp (blitz of someone who creates the illusion of teleportation for him even with accelerated perception)
-AD
-LS and the ability to throw objects at Chisaki, as Deku successfully did
-The ability to disintegrate his kagune at the moment of impact, preventing Chisaki from killing him

Chisaki's Wincons:

-Dekon
-Equal precog
-AP

 

[DarthSorox]

overhaul wins
this can be added

24 hour

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Can someone check the small size and large size categories

no no, I legit just mean liek regular tall and small people

like a 7 ft man vs a 5'2 rat

ya know, regular sizes

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Kaneki's Wincons:

-Equal analytical prediction (Chisaki marks those who are faster, Kaneki marks those who react to blitz at the level of teleportation)
-Accelerated perception (slowmo)
-Multilayered blitz amp (blitz of someone who creates the illusion of teleportation for him even with accelerated perception)
-AD
-LS and the ability to throw objects at Chisaki, as Deku successfully did
-The ability to disintegrate his kagune at the moment of impact, preventing Chisaki from killing him

Chisaki's Wincons:

-Dekon
-Equal precog
-AP

Pochita writing this wincon list:

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Kaneki's Wincons:

-Equal analytical prediction (Chisaki marks those who are faster, Kaneki marks those who react to blitz at the level of teleportation)
-Accelerated perception (slowmo)
-Multilayered blitz amp (blitz of someone who creates the illusion of teleportation for him even with accelerated perception)
-AD
-LS and the ability to throw objects at Chisaki, as Deku successfully did
-The ability to disintegrate his kagune at the moment of impact, preventing Chisaki from killing him

Chisaki's Wincons:

-Dekon
-Equal precog
-AP

already voted what you voted dude

 

[Robo432343]

im going to make muzan vs toji
SSK FTW

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Pochita writing this wincon list:

Trust in Pochita

 

[Jaynic1]

Kaneki fra. I think kaneki benifits more from knowledge here than overhaul as I just dont see overhaul overcoming the strategy of kaneki disolving his kagune at the moment of impact.

 

[Robo432343]

kaneki disolving his kagune at the moment of impact will still deconstruct him
Overhaul FRA

 

[Yanina92]

Overhaul FRA

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Kaneki fra. I think kaneki benifits more from knowledge here than overhaul as I just dont see overhaul overcoming the strategy of kaneki disolving his kagune at the moment of impact.

All while getting bombarded by massive spikes that covers nearly a hundred meters all targeting him at ridiculous speeds while knowing everything about kaneki from how he fights to how all his abilities exactly works while having 2 more hands ready to intercept his kagune and shoot him with the “ghoul” erasing bullet

 

[DarthSorox]

kaneki disolving his kagune at the moment of impact will still deconstruct him
Overhaul FRA

How?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Quick question, why are we using Nighteye to argue for overhauls skill? Nighteye can only use his pre-cog once a day, it's even on his profile...

It's not like Overhaul was fighting someone who was precoging him the entire time.

 

[DarthSorox]

Overhaul FRA

Kaneki's strategy is apparently a strategic one, avoiding Chisaki's touches, catching him, and wounding him until he dies. Chisaki's strategy is to strike Kaneki.

At least that's what I understood.

If you mean my pfp, then yes

Kaneki can successfully deactivate his kagune during an attack, so it's no longer connected to his body. His perception is accelerated to the level of slow-motion; he'll see every attempt by Chisaki to touch him and treat it with extreme caution.
And all this considering the blitz amp is higher than "overtaking the perception of a guy who sees everything in slow-motion." How will Chisaki combat this?

 

[Mommyleona]

is this over yet

 

[Doggo]

Overhaul FRA

Next round should be pre-ghoul and post-quirk loss Overhaul

 

[Arsuzz]

Kaneki can successfully deactivate his kagune during an attack, so it's no longer connected to his body. His perception is accelerated to the level of slow-motion; he'll see every attempt by Chisaki to touch him and treat it with extreme caution.
And all this considering the blitz amp is higher than "overtaking the perception of a guy who sees everything in slow-motion." How will Chisaki combat this?

You've convinced me. Kaneki FRA

 

[MintyBoi1]

Kaneki FRA. If he has a way to avoid the deconstruction, he should just overwhelm an Overhaul with speed amps and similar skill.

 

[Robo432343]

what overhaul is gonna do to kaneki

 

[Mommyleona]

Ima just vote ken fra ig

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Quick question, why are we using Nighteye to argue for overhauls skill? Nighteye can only use his pre-cog once a day, it's even on his profile...

It's not like Overhaul was fighting someone who was precoging him the entire time.

Why is Nighteye only able to use future sight once a day a relevant when he was actively using it on Overhaul?

Kaneki can successfully deactivate his kagune during an attack, so it's no longer connected to his body. His perception is accelerated to the level of slow-motion; he'll see every attempt by Chisaki to touch him and treat it with extreme caution.
And all this considering the blitz amp is higher than "overtaking the perception of a guy who sees everything in slow-motion." How will Chisaki combat this?

Probably because the effect is practically instant/too fast

Btw why wasnt this in the old match?

Kaneki FRA. If he has a way to avoid the deconstruction, he should just overwhelm an Overhaul with speed amps and similar skill.

His way of apparently avoiding the decon costs him his stamina which Overhaul will know because he would know everything about him. This all while Kaneki is actively being bombarded by dozens of massive low 7-b spikes spanning near hundred meters all targetting him with obnoxious speeds while he attempts doing that.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Alright, just finished reading everything

From what I've seen, the arguments for overhauls decon don't seem to address what'll happen if Kaneki just uses his enhanced senses to figure out when he touches his kagune and deactivates it before the decon affects him. So I don't think decon is a very viable win here...

Taking a closer look, Overhaul IIRC, only managed to hit lemillion because he was exploiting the hostage situation with Eri, and here he doesn't have the same connections he could abuse with Kaneki outside of this he literally dosen't hit lemillion once and relies moreso on forcing him into predictible pathways he can use to decon him in the event he tries to hit him/become physical by changing the terrain and using spikes. Here unlike lemillion, Kaneki can straight up break the spikes if need be (they don't have low 7-B durability) and can use his superior acrobatics and AD to maneuver around the changing terrain.

While I do agree that Overhaul can handle analytical prediction from Deku (who has somewhat solid ANPR showings), Kaneki has just as good ANPR, AD, and IA... this is a bit more than just ANPR...

Even if the spikes do happen to hit kaneki he has regen which makes him getting hit much more forgiving than say deku getting hit by them, as long as he dosen't let them hit his head or blow his torso away from the rest of his body (basically avoid a direct hit) he should be mostly fine.

TL;DR Sasaki haise FRA,

On a site note, you guys should really give bro a rest and use my guy Yomo or something.

 

[Bruhtelho]

Overhaul FRA

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Why is Nighteye only able to use future sight once a day a relevant when he was actively using it on Overhaul?

yeah like one time...outside of that it's just ANPR

Probably because the effect is practically instant/too fast

Btw why wasnt this in the old match?

This is from like point blank range...do you know how long kanekis kagune are??

Also, last I checked, Mr. Compress doesn't have enhanced senses that allow him to slow stuff down to almost a crawl and IA...

His way of apparently avoiding the decon costs him his stamina which Overhaul will know because he would know everything about him.

Kaneki has a f*** ton of endurance, as long as he's careful and not just mindlessly attacking him I don't see the issue

This all while Kaneki is actively being bombarded by dozens of massive low 7-b spikes spanning near hundred meters all targetting him with obnoxious speeds while he attempts doing that.

IA, Enhanced senses that slow stuff down to almost a crawl, Solid acrobatics showings, AD...
those spikes aren't landing a direct hit

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

bro people js typing stuff atp

where is this hax coming from???

Just so you know I argued exactly this in the first match and it was labeled as a stomp

 

[Delusionaltx2]

bro people js typing stuff atp

where is this hax coming from???

The ghoul physiology page on kanekis pf

Ghouls (Tokyo Ghoul)

A Kagune (赫子?) is a ghoul's predatory organ, used as a weapon for hunting as well as general self defense. The Kagune's appearance, properties, and the place of emergence on the body depend on the RC type of the ghoul. There are four different Kagune types: Ukaku (羽赫?), Koukaku (甲赫?), Rinkaku...

vsbattles.fandom.com

• Perception Amplification (When kagune is activated, ghouls' senses are greatly heightened and their perception is greatly accelerated)

 

[Bruhtelho]

This is from like point blank range...do you know how long kanekis kagune are??

Kagune is Tens of Meters, same range as Overhaul which could instantly decon an entire room into something else so no its not exclusive to point blank and would work on Kaneki almost instantly.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Kagune is Tens of Meters, same range as Overhaul which could instantly decon an entire room into something else so no its not exclusive to point blank and would work on Kaneki almost instantly.

Iirc people could still react to him deconing stuff into something else from long range

Also how does this tackle what I brought up about enhanced senses and IA?

 

[Bruhtelho]

The ghoul physiology page on kanekis pf

Ghouls (Tokyo Ghoul)

A Kagune (赫子?) is a ghoul's predatory organ, used as a weapon for hunting as well as general self defense. The Kagune's appearance, properties, and the place of emergence on the body depend on the RC type of the ghoul. There are four different Kagune types: Ukaku (羽赫?), Koukaku (甲赫?), Rinkaku...

vsbattles.fandom.com

• Perception Amplification (When kagune is activated, ghouls' senses are greatly heightened and their perception is greatly accelerated)

Yah, no. its accelerated sure and will allow Kaneki to dodge attacks way easier but an instant decon that has ten's of meters range is not getting reacted too.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

yeah but its not the point where he js sees everything in slow mo or some shit???
nah what is this

The investigators are literally taking like 2 panels to swing their weapons, they basically are in slow-mo

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Yah, no. its accelerated sure and will allow Kaneki to dodge attacks way easier but an instant decon that has ten's of meters range is not getting reacted too.

How is it even instant????

If overhauls decon was instant from that range then the spikes he'd be summoning should also be instant...multiple characters could still dodge them so how would his decon be instant from long range?

 

[Bruhtelho]

Iirc people could still react to him deconing stuff into something else from long range

no cause he was specifically targeting the escape routes so Mirio couldn't get away with Eri and that instantly locked them off forcing him to protect and fight Overhaul, this is different since Overhaul will focus the quirk onto Kagune and decon Kaneki

 

[Bruhtelho]

If overhauls decon was instant from that range then the spikes he'd be summoning should also be instant...multiple characters could still dodge them so how would his decon be instant from long range?

Character's at Deku's speed were barely reacting to the spikes and took a split second decision to not get instantly stabbed. on Overhaul's own page it has "higher attack speed with Overhaul" since it nearly blitzed Deku with just the decon + reconstruction and Lemillion only survived cause of his own quirk but still impressed by the attack speed of Overhaul

 

[Delusionaltx2]

no cause he was specifically targeting the escape routes so Mirio couldn't get away with Eri and that instantly locked them off forcing him to protect and fight Overhaul, this is different since Overhaul will focus the quirk onto Kagune and decon Kaneki

Ok what about nighteye and deku both being able to react to him while not holding or having eri nearby?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Alright, just finished reading everything

From what I've seen, the arguments for overhauls decon don't seem to address what'll happen if Kaneki just uses his enhanced senses to figure out when he touches his kagune and deactivates it before the decon affects him. So I don't think decon is a very viable here...

Refer to previous message

Taking a closer look, Overhaul IIRC, only managed to hit lemillion because he was exploiting the hostage situation with Eri, and here he doesn't have the same connections he could abuse with Kaneki outside of this he literally dosen't hit lemillion once and relies moreso on forcing him into predictible pathways he can use to decon him in the event he tries to hit him/become physical by changing the terrain and using spikes. Here unlike lemillion, Kaneki can straight up break the spikes if need be (they don't have low 7-B durability) and can use his superior acrobatics and AD to maneuver around the changing terrain.

Overhaul couldnt hit lemillion because he straight up has the ability to turn intangible. Its not really a detachment to him when even the second strongest in the verse couldnt even land a single hit on him. Breaking the spikes was already 20% Deku's plan but still immediately got cooked by it.

While I do agree that Overhaul can handle analytical prediction from Deku (who has somewhat solid ANPR showings), Kaneki has just as good ANPR, AD, and IA... this is a bit more than just ANPR...

He could also handle from nighteye who had comparable or superior showings than lemillion's own ANPR.

Even if the spikes do happen to hit kaneki he has regen which makes him getting hit much more forgiving than say deku getting hit by them, as long as he dosen't let them hit his head or blow his torso away from the rest of his body (basically avoid a direct hit) he should be mostly fine.

Its giant spikes that spans near hundred meters that can tag opponents vastly faster opponents such as Deku. Youd think it would have the capability of doing so.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Character's at Deku's speed were barely reacting to the spikes and took a split second decision to not get instantly stabbed.

Kaneki in this situation would have their advantages + more advantages that would make it easier for him

and again EVEN IF he gets stabbed as long as it dosen't blow away his torso from the rest of his limbs/land a direct hit he's fine

if he just gets hit the same way idk lemillion did...he can just regen

on Overhaul's own page it has "higher attack speed with Overhaul" since it nearly blitzed Deku with just the decon + reconstruction

Deku could still react by predicting his movements...why can't kaneki whos ANPR does the same thing...also do the same thing

especially since on top of this he has AD, enhanced senses and IA...

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Kaneki in this situation would have their advantages + more advantages that would make it easier for him

and again EVEN IF he gets stabbed as long as it dosen't blow away his torso from the rest of his limbs/land a direct hit he's fine

if he just gets hit the same way idk lemillion did...he can just regen

Its not like it's an impossible task to do when he knows exactly how he fights due to mind manipulation. Is he just not going to aim for his torso or head?

Deku could still react by predicting his movements...why can't kaneki whos ANPR does the same thing...also do the same thing

especially since on top of this he has AD, enhanced senses and IA...

Deku and Nighteye fought him for like the equivalent of like seconds before just getting cooked. Deku surviving longer due to having High 6-A durability equipment protecting him.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Refer to previous message


Overhaul couldnt hit lemillion because he straight up has the ability to turn intangible.

But then why are we scaling overhaul to lemillion??

Its not really a detachment to him when even the second strongest in the verse couldnt even land a single hit on him.

But isn't overhauls side the one saying "yeah overhaul can predict and adapt to characters like lemillion!!!" even though he can't hit him?

Breaking the spikes was already 20% Deku's plan but still immediately got cooked by it.

20% deku dosen't have 4 extra massive limbs he can use for both offensive and defensive purposes...

He could also handle from nighteye who had comparable or superior showings than lemillion's own ANPR.

All this does is cancel out the ANPR

what about IA, what about enhanced senses? what about AD? What about the fact kaneki has much better defensive options than everyone that fought overhaul with the exception of lemillion

Its giant spikes that spans near hundred meters that can tag opponents vastly faster opponents such as Deku. Youd think it would have the capability of doing so.

• Kaneki can AD to blitz other characters (I believe this was already brought up)
• Kaneki has enhanced senses that would slow him down to almost a craw
• Kaneki has 4 massive tentacles guarding him that he can use to break stuff around him and/or attack
• Kaneki has low-mid regen which essentially means unless the spikes hit him on the head and skewer his brain or blow his torso open he's gonna be fine

 

[Bruhtelho]

Ok what about nighteye and deku both being able to react to him while not holding or having eri nearby?

No Eri in sight during his fight with Deku at 20% and it took a split second decision to literally not get finished but still got hit by the spikes on his legs as you can see.

Nighteye, the same guy who could see the future just by looking at him and still lost which he was using in his fight to make split second decisions BTW

 

[Delusionaltx2]

No Eri in sight during his fight with Deku at 20% and it took a split second decision to literally not get finished but still got hit by the spikes on his legs as you can see.

So basically as long as kaneki can make split second desicions (which he can...) he's fine

Nighteye, the same guy who could see the future just by looking at him and still lose which he was using in his fight to make split second decisions BTW

So uhh here's something on Nighteyes profile

Weaknesses: He can only use Foresight once a day at most.

Again, why are we saying "Yeah, he can react to opponents with pre-cog!!". I understand saying he can fight opponents with Nighteyes' level of ANPR, but Nighteyes' precog isn't as spammable as, say, observation haki from One Piece, so why are we scaling Overhaul to that?