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Kai Chisaki (Overhaul) Vs Ken Kaneki THE FINALE (My Hero Academia Vs Tokyo Ghoul) [16-27-0]
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we gotta stop kaneki matchups for a while dawg
Any thoughts on match lo
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It was also that Overhaul's decon was much faster than his regular speeds.
Kaneki's main argument is his regen, AD and RE + LS.
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Theres more arguments for overhaul but Kaneki is using LS to rip off Overhaul limbs or RE AD
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Overhauls win con are deconstructing him with a finger, the ghoul erasing bullet, or spikes
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Nothing happens, it’s an entirely different kaneki used
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This Kaneki matchup wasn’t even supposed to happen. My original idea was Dragon Kaneki Vs The Sword Saint Theresiaif more overhaul votes start streaming in, im just going to vote for him to end these kaneki matchups
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First of all, I'll say that prior knowledge gives the fight the necessary balance, as this Kaneki key has no resistance (even partial) to deconstruction, and he's less experienced, more aggressive, and seeks direct combat with stronger opponents, though he continues to read and analyze them.
However, everything plays out differently when you know the opponent can kill you with a touch, and their AP simply destroys you. The main factors in this fight will be endurance and maintaining distance. This leads to the following battle scenario:
Kaneki keeps his distance, actively moves across all planes, and destroys Chisaki's spikes, as their durability isn't Low 7-B. He can pelt the enemy with cars, building fragments, and spikes, throwing them at high speed and with tremendous force, thanks to his LS. His tactics will revolve around actively dodging spikes with his kagune and increased mobility, as running along walls and maneuvering while jumping is easy for him. His hits should be highly successful, so he should note Chisaki's timing while he heals himself, studying him. At some point, he will raise a dust cloud and approach, hiding behind one of the rubble, in an attempt to land a critical hit on Chisaki when he's vulnerable or not expecting Kaneki's point-blank attack.
Dust cloud can be a good line of defense, as Chisaki lacks heightened senses and relies on sight, while Kaneki is capable of fighting instinctively and reacting to sudden enemy attacks from behind by the sound of them falling.
Ultimate caution, instincts, and maneuverability will be essential. Kaneki was already untouchable against an opponent who had accelerated perception and relied on hearing in combat, so he'll be confident in the dust curtain, evading attacks. Kaneki's skill level is far superior to Kouma, who could stop unknown surprise attacks at point-blank range and then evade AOE danmaku even without a foothold.
His skills are also sufficient for a quick victory over Mogan, who defeated Yomo, who successfully reacted to attacks with "teleportation" speed, and he easily defeated Hirako, who could mimic Arima's movements and, purely on skill, delivered a cleaner blow than the two veteran investigators with Arata, who enhanced their strength and speed.
Here, Kaneki will have to rely on his endurance, as the best tactic is to disintegrate the kagune at the moment of impact, and we've already seen something similar.
When Chisaki potentially touches the kagune, it will no longer be connected to Kaneki and will be considered part of his body. Of course, this won't have a great impact on his stamina in the long run, but it's a good tactic for aggressive combat.
If Kaneki can't land a blow on Chisaki and is forced to dodge, he'll transform into his kakuja form, which gives him a boost strong enough to blitz Arata Amon. Amon was fast enough to "teleport" past Kaneki, despite his accelerated perception and good combat analysis.
Kaneki actively moves in his kakuja form, so he'll maneuver around Chisaki, but likely at teleportation speed.
Even midway through the manga, Kaneki demonstrated good offensive and defensive skills while running and performing somersaults while fighting two comparable opponents. A very good feint would be a direct attack with a kagune disintegration that Kai will dodge, a feint counter that disguises a subterranean kagune attack that should crucify Kai, ripping off his arms.
With such unconventional skills, I'm already winning the match like Kaneki.
Bro Foriaa can also use AD, but the extra seconds for regeneration and the brief loss of mobility could cost Kaneki precious seconds, so this would be a last resort.
However, everything plays out differently when you know the opponent can kill you with a touch, and their AP simply destroys you. The main factors in this fight will be endurance and maintaining distance. This leads to the following battle scenario:
Kaneki keeps his distance, actively moves across all planes, and destroys Chisaki's spikes, as their durability isn't Low 7-B. He can pelt the enemy with cars, building fragments, and spikes, throwing them at high speed and with tremendous force, thanks to his LS. His tactics will revolve around actively dodging spikes with his kagune and increased mobility, as running along walls and maneuvering while jumping is easy for him. His hits should be highly successful, so he should note Chisaki's timing while he heals himself, studying him. At some point, he will raise a dust cloud and approach, hiding behind one of the rubble, in an attempt to land a critical hit on Chisaki when he's vulnerable or not expecting Kaneki's point-blank attack.
Dust cloud can be a good line of defense, as Chisaki lacks heightened senses and relies on sight, while Kaneki is capable of fighting instinctively and reacting to sudden enemy attacks from behind by the sound of them falling.
Ultimate caution, instincts, and maneuverability will be essential. Kaneki was already untouchable against an opponent who had accelerated perception and relied on hearing in combat, so he'll be confident in the dust curtain, evading attacks. Kaneki's skill level is far superior to Kouma, who could stop unknown surprise attacks at point-blank range and then evade AOE danmaku even without a foothold.
His skills are also sufficient for a quick victory over Mogan, who defeated Yomo, who successfully reacted to attacks with "teleportation" speed, and he easily defeated Hirako, who could mimic Arima's movements and, purely on skill, delivered a cleaner blow than the two veteran investigators with Arata, who enhanced their strength and speed.
Here, Kaneki will have to rely on his endurance, as the best tactic is to disintegrate the kagune at the moment of impact, and we've already seen something similar.
When Chisaki potentially touches the kagune, it will no longer be connected to Kaneki and will be considered part of his body. Of course, this won't have a great impact on his stamina in the long run, but it's a good tactic for aggressive combat.
If Kaneki can't land a blow on Chisaki and is forced to dodge, he'll transform into his kakuja form, which gives him a boost strong enough to blitz Arata Amon. Amon was fast enough to "teleport" past Kaneki, despite his accelerated perception and good combat analysis.
Kaneki actively moves in his kakuja form, so he'll maneuver around Chisaki, but likely at teleportation speed.
Even midway through the manga, Kaneki demonstrated good offensive and defensive skills while running and performing somersaults while fighting two comparable opponents. A very good feint would be a direct attack with a kagune disintegration that Kai will dodge, a feint counter that disguises a subterranean kagune attack that should crucify Kai, ripping off his arms.
With such unconventional skills, I'm already winning the match like Kaneki.
Bro Foriaa can also use AD, but the extra seconds for regeneration and the brief loss of mobility could cost Kaneki precious seconds, so this would be a last resort.
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Sir, yes, sir
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This man is just wildFirst of all, I'll say that prior knowledge gives the fight the necessary balance, as this Kaneki key has no resistance (even partial) to deconstruction, and he's less experienced, more aggressive, and seeks direct combat with stronger opponents, though he continues to read and analyze them.
However, everything plays out differently when you know the opponent can kill you with a touch, and their AP simply destroys you. The main factors in this fight will be endurance and maintaining distance. This leads to the following battle scenario:
Kaneki keeps his distance, actively moves across all planes, and destroys Chisaki's spikes, as their durability isn't Low 7-B. He can pelt the enemy with cars, building fragments, and spikes, throwing them at high speed and with tremendous force, thanks to his LS. His tactics will revolve around actively dodging spikes with his kagune and increased mobility, as running along walls and maneuvering while jumping is easy for him. His hits should be highly successful, so he should note Chisaki's timing while he heals himself, studying him. At some point, he will raise a dust cloud and approach, hiding behind one of the rubble, in an attempt to land a critical hit on Chisaki when he's vulnerable or not expecting Kaneki's point-blank attack.
Dust cloud can be a good line of defense, as Chisaki lacks heightened senses and relies on sight, while Kaneki is capable of fighting instinctively and reacting to sudden enemy attacks from behind by the sound of them falling.
Ultimate caution, instincts, and maneuverability will be essential. Kaneki was already untouchable against an opponent who had accelerated perception and relied on hearing in combat, so he'll be confident in the dust curtain, evading attacks. Kaneki's skill level is far superior to Kouma, who could stop unknown surprise attacks at point-blank range and then evade AOE danmaku even without a foothold.
His skills are also sufficient for a quick victory over Mogan, who defeated Yomo, who successfully reacted to attacks with "teleportation" speed, and he easily defeated Hirako, who could mimic Arima's movements and, purely on skill, delivered a cleaner blow than the two veteran investigators with Arata, who enhanced their strength and speed.
Here, Kaneki will have to rely on his endurance, as the best tactic is to disintegrate the kagune at the moment of impact, and we've already seen something similar.
When Chisaki potentially touches the kagune, it will no longer be connected to Kaneki and will be considered part of his body. Of course, this won't have a great impact on his stamina in the long run, but it's a good tactic for aggressive combat.
If Kaneki can't land a blow on Chisaki and is forced to dodge, he'll transform into his kakuja form, which gives him a boost strong enough to blitz Arata Amon. Amon was fast enough to "teleport" past Kaneki, despite his accelerated perception and good combat analysis.
Kaneki actively moves in his kakuja form, so he'll maneuver around Chisaki, but likely at teleportation speed.
Even midway through the manga, Kaneki demonstrated good offensive and defensive skills while running and performing somersaults while fighting two comparable opponents. A very good feint would be a direct attack with a kagune disintegration that Kai will dodge, a feint counter that disguises a subterranean kagune attack that should crucify Kai, ripping off his arms.
With such unconventional skills, I'm already winning the match like Kaneki.
Bro Foriaa can also use AD, but the extra seconds for regeneration and the brief loss of mobility could cost Kaneki precious seconds, so this would be a last resort.
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Broskie I’m not home to respondFirst of all, I'll say that prior knowledge gives the fight the necessary balance, as this Kaneki key has no resistance (even partial) to deconstruction, and he's less experienced, more aggressive, and seeks direct combat with stronger opponents, though he continues to read and analyze them.
However, everything plays out differently when you know the opponent can kill you with a touch, and their AP simply destroys you. The main factors in this fight will be endurance and maintaining distance. This leads to the following battle scenario:
Kaneki keeps his distance, actively moves across all planes, and destroys Chisaki's spikes, as their durability isn't Low 7-B. He can pelt the enemy with cars, building fragments, and spikes, throwing them at high speed and with tremendous force, thanks to his LS. His tactics will revolve around actively dodging spikes with his kagune and increased mobility, as running along walls and maneuvering while jumping is easy for him. His hits should be highly successful, so he should note Chisaki's timing while he heals himself, studying him. At some point, he will raise a dust cloud and approach, hiding behind one of the rubble, in an attempt to land a critical hit on Chisaki when he's vulnerable or not expecting Kaneki's point-blank attack.
Dust cloud can be a good line of defense, as Chisaki lacks heightened senses and relies on sight, while Kaneki is capable of fighting instinctively and reacting to sudden enemy attacks from behind by the sound of them falling.
Ultimate caution, instincts, and maneuverability will be essential. Kaneki was already untouchable against an opponent who had accelerated perception and relied on hearing in combat, so he'll be confident in the dust curtain, evading attacks. Kaneki's skill level is far superior to Kouma, who could stop unknown surprise attacks at point-blank range and then evade AOE danmaku even without a foothold.
His skills are also sufficient for a quick victory over Mogan, who defeated Yomo, who successfully reacted to attacks with "teleportation" speed, and he easily defeated Hirako, who could mimic Arima's movements and, purely on skill, delivered a cleaner blow than the two veteran investigators with Arata, who enhanced their strength and speed.
Here, Kaneki will have to rely on his endurance, as the best tactic is to disintegrate the kagune at the moment of impact, and we've already seen something similar.
When Chisaki potentially touches the kagune, it will no longer be connected to Kaneki and will be considered part of his body. Of course, this won't have a great impact on his stamina in the long run, but it's a good tactic for aggressive combat.
If Kaneki can't land a blow on Chisaki and is forced to dodge, he'll transform into his kakuja form, which gives him a boost strong enough to blitz Arata Amon. Amon was fast enough to "teleport" past Kaneki, despite his accelerated perception and good combat analysis.
Kaneki actively moves in his kakuja form, so he'll maneuver around Chisaki, but likely at teleportation speed.
Even midway through the manga, Kaneki demonstrated good offensive and defensive skills while running and performing somersaults while fighting two comparable opponents. A very good feint would be a direct attack with a kagune disintegration that Kai will dodge, a feint counter that disguises a subterranean kagune attack that should crucify Kai, ripping off his arms.
With such unconventional skills, I'm already winning the match like Kaneki.
Bro Foriaa can also use AD, but the extra seconds for regeneration and the brief loss of mobility could cost Kaneki precious seconds, so this would be a last resort.
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Just gonna say this now because I’m not home and I don’t have time to type a lot. Kaneki still doesn’t have resistance to mind manipulation and nothing stops Overhaul from asking everything about Kaneki and all his abilities and how he fights
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Does Chisaki get a huge biology lecture every time he asks a question? So Kaneki will simply say he has a non-human body and can create tentacles. Does he do this at the beginning of every fight?
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The guy Overhaul got this power from asked twice and toga about their Ablities and they gave a lecture
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Can you show please?
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the flashback section of the video wasn't in the explanation but everything else was after the guy's power asked him to explain his ablities
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I mean, has Chisaki himself ever used this in battle?
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It seems like deactivating your kagune while attacking is a good move, as Nik said.
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This is nothing new to Overhaul. He has directly killed Sir Nighteye who is High 7-C while having the ability to see the future second by second to years into the future while having prediction skills superior to Lemillion, and bodied 20% Deku who is vastly faster, really good analytical predictions, and is low 7-B
This is like almost everyone who fought Overhaul in canon had prior knowledge and prep time of the Overhaul quirk.
This was similar to Deku's plan and he still got cooked by Overhaul despite being 8-A and Deku being vastly faster and stronger. Keep in mind he immediately cooked Sir Nighteye with his great analytical prediction, future sight quirk, and High 7-C strength. Same goes with Deku with his vastly superior speed and strength alongside great analytical prediction as established as before by @Kingofwolves999Kaneki keeps his distance, actively moves across all planes, and destroys Chisaki's spikes, as their durability isn't Low 7-B. He can pelt the enemy with cars, building fragments, and spikes, throwing them at high speed and with tremendous force, thanks to his LS. His tactics will revolve around actively dodging spikes with his kagune and increased mobility, as running along walls and maneuvering while jumping is easy for him. His hits should be highly successful, so he should note Chisaki's timing while he heals himself, studying him. At some point, he will raise a dust cloud and approach, hiding behind one of the rubble, in an attempt to land a critical hit on Chisaki when he's vulnerable or not expecting Kaneki's point-blank attack.
Keep in mind Mirio was blitzing the entire class that was jumping him and looked like he was warping in their eyes, all that and yet Deku still predicted him in 5 seconds. Later on he proceeds to get cooked by Overhaul.
Dust cloud can be a good line of defense, as Chisaki lacks heightened senses and relies on sight, while Kaneki is capable of fighting instinctively and reacting to sudden enemy attacks from behind by the sound of them falling.
Ultimate caution, instincts, and maneuverability will be essential. Kaneki was already untouchable against an opponent who had accelerated perception and relied on hearing in combat, so he'll be confident in the dust curtain, evading attacks. Kaneki's skill level is far superior to Kouma, who could stop unknown surprise attacks at point-blank range and then evade AOE danmaku even without a foothold.
"Overhaul manipulates the entire area to lift himself out of the cloud and then twists dozens of meters to attack everything around him. He has comparable or higher mobility to Kaneki via the entire terrain being fluid to him." - KingOfWolves
This is still similar to Overhaul who was practically untouchable against vastly superior and faster opponents with great analytical predictions and a literal future sight quirk showing him how Overhaul was going to exactly attack and both got cooked by him. Overhaul can also just touch the ground and turning everything in a near hundred meter radius into dozens of massive spike weapons that are skewering Kaneki and his Kagune
This is nothing new to MHA to as Overhaul as predicted similar speeds and even out skilled and cooked 3 entire people with Analytical predictions capable of predicting blitz/warping speeds
Again, nothing new to Overhaul or mha in general as blitz/warping speeds and unconventional movements such as literally being underground and intangible were predicted before and said feats were outskilled by Overhaul.If Kaneki can't land a blow on Chisaki and is forced to dodge, he'll transform into his kakuja form, which gives him a boost strong enough to blitz Arata Amon. Amon was fast enough to "teleport" past Kaneki, despite his accelerated perception and good combat analysis.
Kaneki actively moves in his kakuja form, so he'll maneuver around Chisaki, but likely at teleportation speed.
So heres where it starts getting hard for Kaneki. Kaneki does not have resistance to Mind Manipulation. Nothing stops Overhaul from finding out about everything about Kaneki, how he fights, and how his abilities works. We've seen opponents give a literal 101 class about their entire mechanisms of their abilities. This is dangerous for him and Overhaul will heavily exploit it.
Theres also the ghoul erasing bullets that he has no knowledge about and if he gets hit even once by it he would just get turned into a mere human and then proceeds to get skewered by spikes. Considering this dude would be weary of his Overhaul quirk and the spikes, I don't see why he would not get caught off guard by a random ass bullet that just erases his abilities.
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Overhaul FRA.
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It wasn't even an argument. I simply demonstrated the kagune's flexibility and explained why prior knowledge was necessary.
How does this disprove the argument? How many of them had regeneration, AD, the ability to instantly break contact with the enemy?
This only says that the prediction is vulnerable to flexible attacks that can change direction freely.
In addition to prediction, Kaneki possesses accelerated perception, allowing him to choose the best tactics in the moment. He also possesses mobility, allowing him to evade all attacks and reduce his momentum while moving. He also possesses instincts and heightened senses, allowing him to sense vibrations in his surroundings and predict the appearance of spikes.
However, seeing the future without the necessary tools makes it impossible to correct it.
Kaneki's Speed Amp is simply superior in quality and, combined with his accelerated perception and heightened senses, provides a greater advantage.
If Overhaul tries to escape the dust cloud using constructs, Kaneki destroys them. Deku has already demonstrated a successful tactic of knocking Chisaki unconscious by hitting her head or wrists. Kaneki simply spams his kagune and uses the environment for surprise attacks.
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Kaneki simply doesn't get hit by bullets because he always dodges them, without even trying to block. Chisaki's attempt to fire will only lead to him being less focused on defense and attack.
The combined strengths of Kaneki give him more tools for evasion, so comparing him to Nighteye is simply odd.
1:46 and 4:40 - we see that both speedblitz and surprise attacks are quite effective against Kai.
Just because he can fight a faster opponent with anticipation doesn't mean he can fight an opponent with analytical prediction, instinctive actions, heightened sonar-level senses, accelerated perception, and a multi-layered blitz amp
The combined strengths of Kaneki give him more tools for evasion, so comparing him to Nighteye is simply odd.
1:46 and 4:40 - we see that both speedblitz and surprise attacks are quite effective against Kai.
Just because he can fight a faster opponent with anticipation doesn't mean he can fight an opponent with analytical prediction, instinctive actions, heightened sonar-level senses, accelerated perception, and a multi-layered blitz amp
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Has your position changed?
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Unless Kaneki simply gets predicted. Not like Chisaki firing bullets will hinder with 4 arms.
Prior knowledge + prep time + future sight + great analytical prediction = still got cooked
Broskie the first one was him being injured
The second one he didnt even get hit because he predicted him. Unless you wanna say Overhaul can tank Low 7-B attacks then I can make a crt for it rq.
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