Pretty Cure/Precure Discussion Thread: Splash Star

[Nnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmmm]

That's an interesting argument, but why would they be exempt?

? Don't understand

Not because they might be trapped there?

not really. poisoni showed them what would happen when she broke the mirror, and they started to panic

Yeah, but it seems like the nineth reflection thing was a myth.

Myths are stories too. So there is world where 9-th reflection replaces you,and world where it's just a made up thing

OK, that might be 3-A

How you got 3-A in a perfect copy of infinitely dimensional universe with infinite inner hierarchies?

I guess we already knew it spilled out, as it can sometimes undo timestop.

Asupower is power of future,opposite to togepower,but amount of it is different thing

I don't think that's how the site treats it. You can create from nothing, but be limited to a kilo a day, for example.

when you create something out of nothing (by the way, there's still a question of what kind of "nothing" you're talking about, because there's a possibility of using this word metaphorically, which is synonymous with "out of thin air"), it's one thing. but when an entire cosmology with its internal qualitative hierarchies is encapsulated in the nothingness from which it originates, it's entirely different. the difference between the Refi world and the Prequar world cannot be quantified

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

? Don't understand

If it really made the whole cosmology, why not a Dark King?

not really. poisoni showed them what would happen when she broke the mirror, and they started to panic

Sorry, don't remember which episode it was.

Myths are stories too. So there is world where 9-th reflection replaces you,and world where it's just a made up thing

Yeah, an 11-C world... I think.

How you got 3-A in a perfect copy of infinitely dimensional universe with infinite inner hierarchies?

Stars is a universe, no more. Also, the wiki usually rates it 4-A.
Infinite-dimensional?

Asupower is power of future,opposite to togepower,but amount of it is different thing

Humorously, it's not clear if Togepower can stop time by itself.

when you create something out of nothing (by the way, there's still a question of what kind of "nothing" you're talking about, because there's a possibility of using this word metaphorically, which is synonymous with "out of thin air"), it's one thing. but when an entire cosmology with its internal qualitative hierarchies is encapsulated in the nothingness from which it originates, it's entirely different. the difference between the Refi world and the Prequar world cannot be quantified

This does not change my argument.

 

[Nnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmmm]

If it really made the whole cosmology, why not a Dark King?

because the dark king and the queen of light are one for the entire cosmology of their original universe. in the novel, when everyone began to multiply into endless alternative versions due to the expansion of chaos, only Baldez and Hikari remained in their original form, as they were the fundamental foundations of the universe. in this de novel, they banished chaos beyond the past and future of their universe, meaning that it never existed or will exist.

In other words, the dark king in reality and the dark king in history are not different versions of the same creature, but the same thing.

Sorry, don't remember which episode it was.

after 15 and before 20

Yeah, an 11-C world... I think.

11-C is a point. There's full-fledged world in all aspects

Stars is a universe, no more. Also, the wiki usually rates it 4-A.
Infinite-dimensional?

There is not just stars,but perfect copy of universe,including all laws and soul potential. So perfect that you can't to distinguish which of the two universes is real and which is fiction. Moreover, it seems that the Joker can create multilayered universes, where when you leave the "fake" reality and enter the "real" one, you are still in the "fiction," considering that Reika doubted whether they had left at all. This is not even mentioning the Joker of Spades, who completely destroys all possibilities of all stories, leaving a pure abyss of despair even in situations where a good ending is not expected.

Yes,you need a complete theory of everything to explain universe,where at baseline it has black hole cosmology,where universe exists inside a higher-dimensional blackhole,what exist in other etc.

Humorously, it's not clear if Togepower can stop time by itself.

This are opposite fundamental powers. If asupower is power of future,so togepower is power of present. And when asupower ceased to exist,time was stopped

This does not change my argument.

Yes,just needs to explain better. Because creation something out of nothing of kilo in the day means you spend some energy to that or some other resource. But creation out of Nothing means you don't spend anything. Hikaru created big bang when she was completely extinguished out of existence. And later in show they restored universe to it's perfect initial state out of nothing.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

because the dark king and the queen of light are one for the entire cosmology of their original universe. in the novel, when everyone began to multiply into endless alternative versions due to the expansion of chaos, only Baldez and Hikari remained in their original form, as they were the fundamental foundations of the universe. in this de novel, they banished chaos beyond the past and future of their universe, meaning that it never existed or will exist.

Resistance to duplication for Hikari, got it.

They can still be imagined, right?

In other words, the dark king in reality and the dark king in history are not different versions of the same creature, but the same thing.

Does that mean his death erased him from history? Is that why damage gets undone when he loses?

after 15 and before 20

Thanks

11-C is a point. There's full-fledged world in all aspects

It's also for lower layers of fiction.

There is not just stars,but perfect copy of universe,including all laws and soul potential. So perfect that you can't to distinguish which of the two universes is real and which is fiction.

According to?

Moreover, it seems that the Joker can create multilayered universes, where when you leave the "fake" reality and enter the "real" one, you are still in the "fiction," considering that Reika doubted whether they had left at all. This is not even mentioning the Joker of Spades, who completely destroys all possibilities of all stories, leaving a pure abyss of despair even in situations where a good ending is not expected.

Reika's just speculating.

Yes,you need a complete theory of everything to explain universe,where at baseline it has black hole cosmology,where universe exists inside a higher-dimensional blackhole,what exist in other etc.

This are opposite fundamental powers. If asupower is power of future,so togepower is power of present. And when asupower ceased to exist,time was stopped

I thought that was a whole thing the future government had to actively do.

Yes,just needs to explain better. Because creation something out of nothing of kilo in the day means you spend some energy to that or some other resource.

No, it doesn't. You're saying the equivilent of "Star can make forcefields that aren't connected to her, so she can make them on the other side of the universe."

But creation out of Nothing means you don't spend anything. Hikaru created big bang when she was completely extinguished out of existence. And later in show they restored universe to it's perfect initial state out of nothing.

Yes, they did.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Remember this? Here's a few pages earlier.

 

[Nnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmmm]

Resistance to duplication for Hikari, got it.

They can still be imagined, right?

rather, indivisibility due to its nature.

they can be preserved in the microcosm, yes

Does that mean his death erased him from history? Is that why damage gets undone when he loses?

you could say that, although his true essence has returned to chaos

It's also for lower layers of fiction.

only it's not a dimensional difference, but a qualitative one

According to?

it was explained through the butterfly dream principle, which is that it is absolutely impossible to determine which of the two worlds is real. if it was just a background, it would be immediately noticeable, but the entire story and other dimensions were duplicated

Reika's just speculating.

the speculation is based on the fact that the lazy ball was such a perfect copy of the universe that she doubts whether they got out 10 years ago

No, it doesn't. You're saying the equivilent of "Star can make forcefields that aren't connected to her, so she can make them on the other side of the universe."

when you create something out of nothing, that's one thing. but when you create an entire cosmology, that's completely different

Yes, they did.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

rather, indivisibility due to its nature.

Not how it'll work on the profile.

they can be preserved in the microcosm, yes

???

you could say that, although his true essence has returned to chaos

The alternative was a fancy way of saying he had a history.

only it's not a dimensional difference, but a qualitative one

Correct. 11-C is zero-dimensional or lower.

it was explained through the butterfly dream principle, which is that it is absolutely impossible to determine which of the two worlds is real. if it was just a background, it would be immediately noticeable, but the entire story and other dimensions were duplicated

Do they mention it?

the speculation is based on the fact that the lazy ball was such a perfect copy of the universe that she doubts whether they got out 10 years ago

OK.

when you create something out of nothing, that's one thing. but when you create an entire cosmology, that's completely different

That's fair for EoS, but not Hikaru de-black holing herself.

 

[Grillmaster]

Not how it'll work on the profile.

???

The alternative was a fancy way of saying he had a history.

Correct. 11-C is zero-dimensional or lower.

Do they mention it?

OK.

That's fair for EoS, but not Hikaru de-black holing herself.

Im super lost because of jow late I am in this discussion but where do you scale precure cosmology then

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

This is a general discussion thread.

The cosmology is 2-C to 2-A, but the characters are 9-A to High 3-A (with a lot of regular 3-As).

 

[Grillmaster]

This is a general discussion thread.

The cosmology is 2-C to 2-A, but the characters are 9-A to High 3-A (with a lot of regular 3-As).

When you guys were talking about infinite dimensional hierarchies I figured you were gonna say high hyper or outer

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

We were?

 

[Grillmaster]

We were?

Idk page 6

 

[Grillmaster]

We were?

At least if I remember correctly

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Ah, Nm did. I don't know which novel he referenced.

 

[Grillmaster]

Ah, Nm did. I don't know which novel he referenced.

I mean i have seen a few threads related to the novel scaling an they reference that as well

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Any scans?

 

[Grillmaster]

Any scans?

I can send you a reddit link of someone who's a translator talking about it if you want

 

[Grillmaster]

Any scans?

Here it is btw

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

(in season 1, it was mentioned that if the dark king and the queen of light destroy each other, chaos will ensue and all worlds will sink into oblivion (even more fundamental than the oblivion of darkness that the dark king created))

I thought it was stated that killing Dark King might destroy the Queen (which didn't happen).


Greedy's taking Hikaru's statement literally, and admits to not quite following our tiering system.

 

[Grillmaster]

I thought it was stated that killing Dark King might destroy the Queen (which didn't happen).


Greedy's taking Hikaru's statement literally, and admits to not quite following our tiering system.

I don't think it not happening ruins the validity of the statement

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

What else would?

 

[Gonzalo]

Hi

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

Hello, what do you guy think of this scaling for precure



A comment scale precure but i don't understand it much so could you see if it true ?



And these two like show where tiktok scale so i want you to also check, maybe this will upgrade precure cosmology.

I also saw something saying about chaos is the orginal platonic concept that give birth to all other concept and the one that oppose it aka life except for time

THe embodiment of time was about to break out of the cycle of life and chaos

And above that is the otherworld where Cure supreme live

So any chance for outerversal precure ?

 

[Nnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmmm]

THe embodiment of time was about to break out of the cycle of life and chaos

Not break out,but break the whole cycle.

And above that is the otherworld where Cure supreme live

Supreme is not live in the otherworld. It is otherworld

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

Not break out,but break the whole cycle.

Supreme is not live in the otherworld. It is otherworld

I see, so any chance for the precure to be Outerversal ?

 

[Nnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmmm]

I see, so any chance for the precure to be Outerversal ?

It's not up to me to decide, although all the signs are there.

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

It's not up to me to decide, although all the signs are there.

Really ? What sign are there ?

In your opinion where does Outerversal start ? Like the embodiment of chaos being Outerversal ? Or lower then that ?

And where does cure supreme being ? High Outerversal or what ?

 

[Nnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmmm]

Really ? What sign are there ?

In your opinion where does Outerversal start ? Like the embodiment of chaos being Outerversal ? Or lower then that ?

And where does cure supreme being ? High Outerversal or what ?

outerversal is still at the stage of basic reality-fiction, which in precure is part of numerous hierarchies, and chaos surpasses all these hierarchies, reducing them to nothing

 

[Kamenriderblaze]

outerversal is still at the stage of basic reality-fiction, which in precure is part of numerous hierarchies, and chaos surpasses all these hierarchies, reducing them to nothing

So high outerversal for chaos ?

And what 1 layer high outer for cure supreme ?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

And above that is the otherworld where Cure supreme live

Supreme is explicitly a nomad. While her average stay is unknown, it's implied to be short.

 

[Grillmaster]

Hello, what do you guy think of this scaling for precure



A comment scale precure but i don't understand it much so could you see if it true ?



And these two like show where tiktok scale so i want you to also check, maybe this will upgrade precure cosmology.

I also saw something saying about chaos is the orginal platonic concept that give birth to all other concept and the one that oppose it aka life except for time

THe embodiment of time was about to break out of the cycle of life and chaos

And above that is the otherworld where Cure supreme live

So any chance for outerversal precure ?

Idk to me the guys scaling vid seemed legit all things considered

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I did go over why the Hikaru thing's wrong.

Basically, Hikaru's the only one who says she ceased to exist, and I'll take the penguins over the overly-imaginative teenager.

 

[Grillmaster]

I did go over why the Hikaru thing's wrong above.

He has loads of evidence that helped convinced me comparatively to your statement no offense, do you have any other scaling statements or feats that disproves the stuff showed?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Remember this? Here's a few pages earlier.

This, mostly.

 

[Grillmaster]

This, mostly.

Is there anything else? If not I'm more inclined to believe him only because he has some pretty solid stuff about the cosmology in his thing and its pretty consistent with what some scales I've seen anyways

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I can't disprove anything to do with the novels, but this TikTok's slightly wrong, as a countably-infinite gap isn't a dimension.

 

[Grillmaster]

I can't disprove anything to do with the novels, but this TikTok's slightly wrong, as a countably-infinite gap isn't a dimension.

Isn't the entire point hes trying to make that its an ontologically higher level of infinity not that its a dimension? Or am I confused on what you're referring to

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Precure Tiktok — Postimages

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[Grillmaster]

Precure Tiktok — Postimages

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Oooph ok , but I mean i don't think that changes anything thst greatly about the scaling tbh , would you use the stuff stated by him if you ever made a cure supreme profile or if you were to ever update profiles?

 

[Nnnnnnnnnnnnnmmmmm]

So high outerversal for chaos ?

And what 1 layer high outer for cure supreme ?

It depends on the policy of VSB. If desired, chaos will be a high 1-A+ (because it is the source of all possibilities and impossibilities, including all worlds), and supreme Boundless, given the pipeline for the production of zeros. or maybe just high 1А and high 1А, but steeper. or maybe something else.