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Kai Chisaki (Overhaul) VS Ken Kaneki (My Hero Academia Vs Tokyo Ghoul) [12-3.5-0]

How long will it take Kaneki to evolve to Overhaul's level, does it involve him getting hit first, and does Kaneki have resistance on his profile to Overhaul's deconstruction? I need this outlined clearly.
I don’t even think he needs the AD specifically for a win con. It’s nice and a solid one but Kaneki starts off 100 tons stronger than Overhaul. They’re both 8-A. Kaneki’s Class G should crush Overhaul’s arms and head easily as he’s also Class K.
 
I said mha characters were making him work hard because I thought these were difficult matches for him, as said by a literal Kaneki supporter in the same match saying “DAMN ITS A CLOSE FIGHT”. I also said it was an extreme diff for either side or anwhy.
Also there’s literal kaneki matchups where people were complaining Kaneki had easy wins. I personally picked the mha characters because I thought they were good fights + he didn’t really fight an mha character at all yet
 
Also there’s literal kaneki matchups where people were complaining Kaneki had easy wins. I personally picked the mha characters because I thought they were good fights + he didn’t really fight an mha character at all yet
That's a 1.25x advantage. It doesn't even give a wincon. How does LS have any weight if touching Chisaki's hands would kill Kaneki?
 
That's a 1.25x advantage. It doesn't even give a wincon. How does LS have any weight if touching Chisaki's hands would kill Kaneki?
1.25x advantage plus the massive Class K Vs Class G LS crushing advantage. LS isn’t even being used as a way to bind him. LS here is being used as a way to crush his head or arms.
 
How long will it take Kaneki to evolve to Overhaul's level, does it involve him getting hit first, and does Kaneki have resistance on his profile to Overhaul's deconstruction? I need this outlined clearly.
Kaneki doesn't resist Dekon. Kaneki needs to take damage for a while for his AD to kick in. However, during this process, Chisaki simply touches his kagune and instantly kills him.
Kaneki's 100-ton advantage is complete nonsense. It doesn't matter when Chisaki has 700 tons and Kaneki has 800. Especially when Chisaki has regeneration.
 
Kaneki doesn't resist Dekon. Kaneki needs to take damage for a while for his AD to kick in. However, during this process, Chisaki simply touches his kagune and instantly kills him.
Kaneki's 100-ton advantage is complete nonsense. It doesn't matter when Chisaki has 700 tons and Kaneki has 800. Especially when Chisaki has regeneration.
Yeah same with the other characters in canon that don’t resist Decon and were capable of avoiding spikes. Decon one shotting isn’t even the most kills or used he has got in canon. It was just spikes, which Kaneki can avoid with skill, destroy it, or regen because he has mid regen

Chisaki’s regen is entirely tied to him being able to use his hands to touch, which was established twice in both matchups that he was capable of instantly seeing and knowing. Chisaki cannot heal if his hands are cooked or his head his crushed. Which is literally possible due to with AD then Blitz or simply using his Class G LS

I’m telling you I’m pretty sure this attempt should’ve been made before the rematch was created.
 
But what is the plan against trying to his kagune as his offense while avoiding laying a single finger on it. I remember you did say he’d try to restrain overhaul’s legs underground but all he would need to do is touch the tentacle restraining it and the fight would probably be over if that happens.


Btw what actually happens if the quirk destroying bullet hits Kaneki. What would happen to him?
You personally wrote that if Kaneki grabs Chisaki, he should just touch him with his finger.
 
Okay, Kaneki can try keeping away long enough to evolve, although even if he gets stronger and lands a hit Chisaki can win by a mere touch at any time. Does Kaneki have a way to avoid that while still landing a finishing blow?

If there's still no decisive answer, I'll bow out of this. I don't know enough about either character here, so all I can do is hear out both sides.
 
You personally wrote that if Kaneki grabs Chisaki, he should just touch him with his finger.
Yeah. I did write that. I asked you how Kaneki should approach the fight and the first thing you said was binding his legs. That’s why said he would just bend down and touch the kagune. I never argued about it being impossible for Kaneki to kill him, lop off his head, or cook his arms. What’s the point of making matchups if the other guy does not have a single win con? I argued against the creation of Kaneki Vs Half Monster Garou because I personally believed that Kaneki would get stomped (as shown when garou’s re AD reaches large island level)
 
The only thing you can blame castorice is for not playing Tales of with me, nothing else
I only create matchups if I think they’re good and both opponents have a win con. You know how easy it would be to create like 50+ wins for my favorite characters? I don’t do that because they’re either an easy fight or just ass. (Also Overhaul isn’t my goat. I hate that guy for what he did 😭 )
 
I only create matchups if I think they’re good and both opponents have a win con. You know how easy it would be to create like 50+ wins for my favorite characters? I don’t do that because they’re either an easy fight or just ass. (Also Overhaul isn’t my goat. I hate that guy for what he did 😭 )
That still does not change the fact you are not playing Tales of Symphonia with me
 
Okay, Kaneki can try keeping away long enough to evolve, although even if he gets stronger and lands a hit Chisaki can win by a mere touch at any time. Does Kaneki have a way to avoid that while still landing a finishing blow?

If there's still no decisive answer, I'll bow out of this. I don't know enough about either character here, so all I can do is hear out both sides.
(Re AD isnt his only win con)

It also makes him faster

up to At least Massively Hypersonic (Blitzed Shinohara and is comparable with Arata Amon), Massively Hypersonic+ at peak
These are like tier jumps btw. So yeah he can land a finishing blow via this win con.

That is impossible unless you have all characters E6S5
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I still cant beat this mf 😭.
 
Okay, Kaneki can try keeping away long enough to evolve, although even if he gets stronger and lands a hit Chisaki can win by a mere touch at any time.
Kaneki needs to take damage to get stronger. He doesn't do it passively.
Does Kaneki have a way to avoid that while still landing a finishing blow?
According to Cas' argument, Kaneki grabs Chisaki's kagune and Chisaki simply touches it with his finger to kill it. Kaneki doesn't resist.
 
Kaneki needs to take damage to get stronger. He doesn't do it passively.
Yeah and he has mid regen and the stamina to exploit this.

According to Cas' argument, Kaneki grabs Chisaki's kagune and Chisaki simply touches it with his finger to kill it. Kaneki doesn't resist.
Yeah I did say this. But however I never said it was impossible to avoid the touch. I never said it was a 100% chance to that he will always get hit by it
 
(Re AD isnt his only win con)

It also makes him faster

up to At least Massively Hypersonic (Blitzed Shinohara and is comparable with Arata Amon), Massively Hypersonic+ at peak
These are like tier jumps btw. So yeah he can land a finishing blow via this win con.
All the arguments boil down to the fact that he doesn't have time to use AD. None of the 12 voters said the fight would drag on. King directly states that Kaneki's one-shot spikes and Chisaki's skills will allow him to fight a faster opponent.

That's why I made the match with Kaneki, who has better skills and resistances.
 
Overhaul usually leads by coming straight at his target and smacking them, which instantly undoes them. He has a large AP advantage, so it seems like he can just come straight in and attack.

With so much back and forth, I'm kind of inclined to bow out here. Normally stomps have to be fairly blatant. If both sides can claim a valid wincon, then it's hard to call a stomp.
 
How long will it take Kaneki to evolve to Overhaul's level, does it involve him getting hit first, and does Kaneki have resistance on his profile to Overhaul's deconstruction? I need this outlined clearly.
From what I've read from Arkenis and Kingofwolves, the spikes kill Kaneki because he can't rely on them as they're much faster than him. AD simply doesn't have time to trigger, and Kaneki can't touch Overhaul without dying
 
All the arguments boil down to the fact that he doesn't have time to use AD. None of the 12 voters said the fight would drag on. King directly states that Kaneki's one-shot spikes and Chisaki's skills will allow him to fight a faster opponent.

That's why I made the match with Kaneki, who has better skills and resistances.
Doesn’t have time to use AD? If all Overhaul does is use Spikes then that is directly feeding into his RE AD. He has to touch him to one shot him.

Overhaul usually leads by coming straight at his target and smacking them, which instantly undoes them. He has a large AP advantage, so it seems like he can just come straight in and attack.

With so much back and forth, I'm kind of inclined to bow out here. Normally stomps have to be fairly blatant. If both sides can claim a valid wincon, then it's hard to call a stomp.
Overhaul most of the time just range spams with spikes. Counter intuitive to his one shot where he has to get up close to him to one shot them.

Also the AP advantage is only ever with his spikes. In which kaneki could just try to destroy the spikes or avoid it
 
Overhaul usually leads by coming straight at his target and smacking them, which instantly undoes them. He has a large AP advantage, so it seems like he can just come straight in and attack.

With so much back and forth, I'm kind of inclined to bow out here. Normally stomps have to be fairly blatant. If both sides can claim a valid wincon, then it's hard to call a stomp.
Spikes are faster than Kaneki, and that's probably what kills him, so AD doesn't work. Touching him kills Kaneki. Chisaki also regenerates from any attack.
It sounds like a stomp.
 
I've noticed many fights with Overhaul have been stomps due to his ability to unmake people, precisely because they can't touch him. If Kaneki needs to take multiple hits to even start to fight back, it seems we're depending on Overhaul using spikes and not deconstruction. And even if he does that and Kaneki comes back with a stat amp, Overhaul can still unmake him.

This is certainly bordering on a stomp if it isn't one.
 
From what I've read from Arkenis and Kingofwolves, the spikes kill Kaneki because he can't rely on them as they're much faster than him. AD simply doesn't have time to trigger, and Kaneki can't touch Overhaul without dying
And Kaneki has

Funny thing is there are more arguments on the top of my head to defend Kaneki here btw idk why they arent being listed at all by supporters.
 
I've noticed many fights with Overhaul have been stomps due to his ability to unmake people, precisely because they can't touch him. If Kaneki needs to take multiple hits to even start to fight back, it seems we're depending on Overhaul using spikes and not deconstruction. And even if he does that and Kaneki comes back with a stat amp, Overhaul can still unmake him.

This is certainly bordering on a stomp if it isn't one.
He has resistance to Analytical prediction btw. Having a defense against Overhaul's predictions. Really dont know why these stuffs arent being argued.
 
Wait why would Kaneki get turned undone if he comes back with his stat amp. The guy goes from mach 300 to mach 8000 beyond Overhauls predictions
 
I've noticed many fights with Overhaul have been stomps due to his ability to unmake people, precisely because they can't touch him. If Kaneki needs to take multiple hits to even start to fight back, it seems we're depending on Overhaul using spikes and not deconstruction. And even if he does that and Kaneki comes back with a stat amp, Overhaul can still unmake him.

This is certainly bordering on a stomp if it isn't one.
To avoid this being a complete sham, I created a match with the same characters, but with a different Kaneki key, which turned out to be very close. It will be added today.
In that case, can we delete this match?
 
To avoid this being a complete sham, I created a match with the same characters, but with a different Kaneki key, which turned out to be very close. It will be added today.
In that case, can we delete this match?
No because they were 2 different kanekis. Both matchups would exist on the profiles
 
This is not a stomp really but from what I'm seeing it seems like kaneki fans really dont want their goat to lose to a weaker mha character
 
A good example of this is how Sukuna had 2 losses against Makima and 2 losses against Muzan. Different keys were used

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Sorry, I'm bowing out of this. I barely know Tokyo Ghoul, and I zoned out of MHA after reading that ending.
 
Sorry, I'm bowing out of this. I barely know Tokyo Ghoul, and I zoned out of MHA after reading that ending.
You've already said it's on the verge of a stomp, and many people have said it's a stomp. There's already a rematch with these characters. Can we close and remove this match?
 
We are not tolerating 431 slander 😭

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Not slander, I just personally found it disappointing. Greatest hero for about five minutes at best, no payoff for all the ship teasing, Deku is powerless and reliant on a suit which is completely provided for him by the efforts and achievements of someone else to pretend he's still special... Sorry, it just doesn't feel like a good payoff for me.
How do you feel about Season 8 so far

I'll probably see it sometime. Can't claim high interest knowing how it ends.
 
You've already said it's on the verge of a stomp, and many people have said it's a stomp. There's already a rematch with these characters. Can we close and remove this match?
I'm sorry, if the matchup is this mixed up, and I don't know enough about one of the characters, the very one whose abilities are being contested, I can only listen and try to be fair.
 
You've already said it's on the verge of a stomp, and many people have said it's a stomp. There's already a rematch with these characters. Can we close and remove this match?
Its not a stomp. Many people saying its a stomp doesnt matter if theyre unable to argue back against why it isnt a stomp or is unable to explain past statements that contradicts whats being said now or explain why multiple arguments are being hidden in favor of painting kaneki as helpless. (Im not referring to you btw). It would be really easy if an entire fanbase is capable of fra training a match being a stomp just to remove a loss.

This match wouldnt be removed because an entirely different kaneki was used for a rematch
 
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