Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

[Astral_Trinity439]

Slime Reader Vol. 17
"The phantom-race is an Aggressor tribe, a half-mental life form. In the material world, it could only be active for a short time without incarnation. Particularly in this world where magic is scarce, its energy efficiency would have been too low if it had not possessed a human. Therefore, if it uses its true strength, its human body would not be able to withstand it.

He's getting weaker. Well, this world isn't protected by magical elements, so if you use too much power, it might destroy it"
1) Do we agree that it says that a simple phantom can destroy a world? (That's how I interpret it)
2) Is there a translation error? (I know there are a lot of things related to translations with Tensura.) If this has already been discussed, I apologize for bothering you.

Thank you.
I checked the raws and it seems it's true, they can destroy a world on their own if they wanted to do that instead of conquering it:

妖魔族ファントムは、半精神 生命体の侵略種族アグレッサー だ。物質世界では、受肉しなけれ ば短時間しか活動出来なかったは ず。特に、魔素が少ないこの世界 では、人に憑依しなければエネル ギー効率が悪過ぎたのだろう。 その為、その本来の力を発揮 すれば、人の肉体では耐えられな いのだ。 （弱体化しているのね。まあ、 こっちの世界は魔素によって守ら れていないから、大きな力を使う と壊してしまいそうだものね。滅 ぼすならともかく、侵略するのだ から力も制御しているのかし ら？ だからこそ、今の近藤の実 力でも戦いになったのでしょうけ ど……）
The Demonkin Phantoms were an Aggressor race — half-spiritual lifeforms born for invasion.
In the material world, they should have been unable to remain active for long unless they took on physical flesh.
Especially in this world, where magical essence (mana) was scarce, their energy efficiency must have been far too poor unless they possessed a human host.

Because of that, when they unleash their true power, a human body would be unable to withstand it.

(So they’re weakened, huh. Well, since this world isn’t protected by mana, using too much power would probably destroy it. If they were aiming to annihilate it, that’d be fine—but since they’re trying to invade, I guess they’re keeping their strength under control? That must be why even Kondō’s current strength was enough to fight them…)

大きな力を使うと壊してしまいそうだものね。
大きな (ōkina) – large / great
力 (chikara) – power / strength
を – (object marker)
使うと (tsukau to) – if (they) use / when (they) use
壊してしまいそうだ (kowashite shimaisō da) – seems like (it would) destroy / might end up breaking
ものね (mono ne) – (soft explanatory tone, often feminine; like “you know,” or “after all”)

→ “If they used great power, it might end up destroying (this world), you know.”

Translation done by good old gpt.

It seems we got ourselves some random phantoms capable of destroying the world literally lmao
Well it's a week world but it's a continuum regardless. After we're back to tier 2, there's gonna be a lot of tier 2 chain scalings lol

 

[K'rimuru]

Thank you.
I checked the raws and it seems it's true, they can destroy a world on their own if they wanted to do that instead of conquering it:


Translation done by good old gpt.

It seems we got ourselves some random phantoms capable of destroying the world literally lmao

Since I've known him for a year, we've talked a lot about Tensura together, and to my surprise he showed me that random phantoms can literally destroy a world.

 

[Emils_tempest]

Thank you.
I checked the raws and it seems it's true, they can destroy a world on their own if they wanted to do that instead of conquering it:


Translation done by good old gpt.

It seems we got ourselves some random phantoms capable of destroying the world literally lmao
Well it's a week world but it's a continuum regardless. After we're back to tier 2, there's gonna be a lot of tier 2 chain scalings lol

happy to be able to help. So the low tier must be up to 5B right? (For the moment)

 

[K'rimuru]

happy to be able to help. So the low tier must be up to 5B right? (For the moment)

Mais attends est-ce que tu pourrais me rappeler pourquoi les low tiers scale sur les phantoms ? Même dans ma vidéo tu me l'a mentionné donc j'aimerais vraiment que tu me rafraîchisses la mémoire parce que là

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

happy to be able to help. So the low tier must be up to 5B right? (For the moment)

A physical world has space and stars too, so far above that lol

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Thank you.
I checked the raws and it seems it's true, they can destroy a world on their own if they wanted to do that instead of conquering it:


Translation done by good old gpt.

It seems we got ourselves some random phantoms capable of destroying the world literally lmao
Well it's a week world but it's a continuum regardless. After we're back to tier 2, there's gonna be a lot of tier 2 chain scalings lol

Also this scan will be going to the scan list of my staff thread asap
Peak

 

[Emils_tempest]

Mais attends est-ce que tu pourrais me rappeler pourquoi les low tiers scale sur les phantoms ? Même dans ma vidéo tu me l'a mentionné donc j'aimerais vraiment que tu me rafraîchisses la mémoire parce que là

C'est une espèce pas très forte je me souviens plus de son rang (rang A je crois) donc même gobta (sans ranga) devrait scale sur eux

 

[K'rimuru]

C'est une espèce pas très forte je me souviens plus de son rang (rang A je crois) donc même gobta (sans ranga) devrait scale sur eux

Wsh vraiment ?! Mdr les lows tiers MFTL+ - ∞ avec AP High 1-B+ si on scale via monde

 

[Emils_tempest]

A physical world has space and stars too, so far above that lol

I know, it's just where Battle Vs scale the worlds currently but I personally scale them higher

 

[Emils_tempest]

Wsh vraiment ?! Mdr les lows tiers MFTL+ - ∞ avec AP High 1-B+ si on scale via monde

Les phantom random c'est rang B (d'ailleurs tu as fait la proposition de notre méta vitesse ou pas)

 

[K'rimuru]

Les phantom random c'est rang B (d'ailleurs tu as fait la proposition de notre méta vitesse ou pas)

Je sais plus si je leur en ai parlé ou pas, en tout cas en vrai tu pourrais leur poser la question sinon je pourrais le faire, par contre juste détruire ça va pas suffire il faudrait que comme tu as mis sur ta méta que tu es le statement "conquérir" qui est beaucoup plus explicite de la traversée entière du monde.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

@Astral_Trinity439 @PrimeHydra64

Gyazo

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This scan is from “Miss Shizue’s Lecture on Japan” in Isekai Chronicles and Isekai Memories. Since it is a short story, is it considered canon?

 

[PrimeHydra64]

@Astral_Trinity439 @PrimeHydra64

Gyazo

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This scan is from “Miss Shizue’s Lecture on Japan” in Isekai Chronicles and Isekai Memories. Since it is a short story, is it considered canon?

Yeah it should be.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

@Astral_Trinity439

Do you have the scan that shows Saunas Us merging and upgrading skills from vol 21? If not, could you provide a site where I can read Volume 21?

 

[AlexSamDen]

A physical world has space and stars too, so far above that lol

A funny thing: that world in the context is explicitly stated to be a spacetime continuum and indirectly a universe, so that's L2C. Now you just need to confirm the TL

 

[AlexSamDen]

And with that Zalario statement and with one part of vol 16 already translated by apotheosis, but I need to confirm it, we get the upper tiers back to L2C

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

@Astral_Trinity439

Do you have the scan that shows Saunas Us merging and upgrading skills from vol 21? If not, could you provide a site where I can read Volume 21?

Shuna's?

 

[AlexSamDen]

And with that Zalario statement and with one part of vol 16 already translated by apotheosis, but I need to confirm it, we get the upper tiers back to L2C

Fck, 2C, not L2C

 

[Emils_tempest]

I have a question: it is written (on the Cosmo profile) that the Great Spirit of Darkness represents non-existence, and that demons come from or are part of this spirit. So, they should have non-existence as part of their physiology, right?IDK

 

[AlexSamDen]

I have a question: it is written (on the Cosmo profile) that the Great Spirit of Darkness represents non-existence, and that demons come from or are part of this spirit. So, they should have non-existence as part of their physiology, right?IDK

So I kinda was skimming through our General Concepts page and noticed a thing that I overlooked before: the darkness attribute holds authority over nonexistence. My question is: shouldn't it grant NEP NPI for magic, as it can generally interact with things GS are?

Ahem..

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

@AlexSamDen

Are you planning to create any CRTs for ability additions? If so, maybe you can add them

For shuna

Gyazo

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Material Transformation, Combine/Fuse, and Disassemble/Separation are not yet added to her profile. She might get Fusionism, and Fissionism from fuse and Separation , not sure for material Transformation tho .

For Hakurou

Gyazo

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Steel Strength (Strengthening Skill), Multi-Layered Barrier, Ultra Speed, Future Prediction, and Mystery are abilities that have not yet been added.

Three out of the five are self-explanatory. Ultra Speed might grant him ( and souie) statistics amplification based on speed, with a quick look, is listed as an ability that can increase the momentum or speed of the user and their attacks, such as projectiles. Mystery is, according to someone I asked, an ability that prevents the user’s movements from being read (although this is yet to be confirmed).

For Shizue

Gyazo

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Self explanatory

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Shuna's?

Uhh , my mistake. Yes shuna's.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Thank you.
I checked the raws and it seems it's true, they can destroy a world on their own if they wanted to do that instead of conquering it:


Translation done by good old gpt.

It seems we got ourselves some random phantoms capable of destroying the world literally lmao
Well it's a week world but it's a continuum regardless. After we're back to tier 2, there's gonna be a lot of tier 2 chain scalings lol

On that note, it seems the Phantoms that exist in this world have an EP below a million, specifically around the level of a demon lord seed....

This, however, didn’t apply to the Three Mystic Leaders. So power-laden were their souls that your average Underworld Gate meant little to them. You’d need a Gate rated for an EP of at least a million to even manifest them at all. If you left your main body in the other world, by the way, you could revive your separate body even if it died—but since it had never fully manifested, it would lose a great deal of its strength, perhaps over half. The only things passed on to the new manifestation were its memories and experiences, and you’d need to find another physical body to possess.
Clearly, then, this mystic approach to world invasion had its pluses and minuses. But if they could expand the size of the Underworld Gate, this separate body could return to the mystic’s original world with its physical form intact, simplifying the process for full assimilation. And thanks to a constant construction effort, this Gate was now much larger than Velgrynd had predicted. Its EP rating was at around a hundred thousand, allowing mystics at the “staff officer” level to fully manifest themselves without any problems.

By “staff officer,” he was referring to upper-middle-ranked mystics. In other worlds that would’ve made them as powerful as demon lord seeds. They had leadership roles here, overseeing regiments of a thousand or so and playing a key part of the invasion. Unlike the lower ranks, they were too powerful to trifle with, and losing any of them would put a major dent in their operations.

So yeah... While they are strong in their own right, but overall they're only around as strong as current Razen (guess). Lol

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I have a question: it is written (on the Cosmo profile) that the Great Spirit of Darkness represents non-existence, and that demons come from or are part of this spirit. So, they should have non-existence as part of their physiology, right?IDK

They do. To be fair, per V22, the underworld itself is a world of Nothingness, so Demons, residences accustomed to it, would by default be NEP.

I guess that's also partially why Demons cannot exist in the cardinal world for long without a physical body. Since their spiritual form (which is NEP) is cancelled out by positive existence energy (Magicules from the cardinal world).

But, to keep the reason short as to why we don't have it already: translations.

 

[Mido02]

So you are telling me that razen in any world other than Cardinal world is strong enough to destroy the world because that's big jump in our scaling

 

[AlexSamDen]

@AlexSamDen

Are you planning to create any CRTs for ability additions? If so, maybe you can add them

Yeah, already preparing for the part 2.
If anyone is interested here are the things I found so far

For shuna

Gyazo

gyazo.com

Material Transformation, Combine/Fuse, and Disassemble/Separation are not yet added to her profile. She might get Fusionism, and Fissionism from fuse and Separation , not sure for material Transformation tho .

For Hakurou

Gyazo

gyazo.com

Steel Strength (Strengthening Skill), Multi-Layered Barrier, Ultra Speed, Future Prediction, and Mystery are abilities that have not yet been added.

Three out of the five are self-explanatory. Ultra Speed might grant him ( and souie) statistics amplification based on speed, with a quick look, is listed as an ability that can increase the momentum or speed of the user and their attacks, such as projectiles. Mystery is, according to someone I asked, an ability that prevents the user’s movements from being read (although this is yet to be confirmed).

Will need to look for specific ability descriptions through the wiki, but it is possible

For Shizue

Gyazo

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Self explanatory

That I think I can use

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

So you are telling me that razen in any world other than Cardinal world is strong enough to destroy the world because that's big jump in our scaling

Practically yes, at least that's what it means here.
Also, Razen did reach S rank in V18

Also, that scan itself is proof of how absurdly high cardinal world standards are simply due to the presence of Magicules.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Yeah, already preparing for the part 2.
If anyone is interested here are the things I found so far

Will need to look for specific ability descriptions through the wiki, but it is possible

That I think I can use

For shion and souie

Gyazo

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For Geld and gabiru

Gyazo

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For Benimaru

Gyazo

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For Ranga

Gyazo

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Too lazy to check which abilities have been added and which have not tbh, although I am sure that several of them are still missing.

 

[Mido02]

Practically yes, at least that's what it means here.
Also, Razen did reach S rank in V18

Also, that scan itself is proof of how absurdly high cardinal world standards are simply due to the presence of Magicules.

At this point I don't think the scaling that we have in first keys of characters is even accurate like slime key rimuru should be even stronger than razen or at least close to him or his demon slime key too rimuru is no way country to multi continental tier

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

At this point I don't think the scaling that we have in first keys of characters is even accurate like slime key rimuru should be even stronger than razen or at least close to him or his demon slime key too rimuru is no way country to multi continental tier

Well it's just that cardinal world standards are WAYYY too high. And most high tier characters use barriers to protect the planet itself while fighting.

We see Feldway >>>>>>>> Awakened Demon lord >>> Demon lord seed = fodders here that could destroy a minimum Low 2-C thing not being able to destroy even the universe of the cardinal world alone lol

But yes, Rimuru's first key is already far superior to Razen and S rank, superior to Demon Lord seeds like Carrion, Clayman (pre awakened) and Frey. It's something like "6-B in Cardinal World, Low 2-C/higher normally"

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Well it's just that cardinal world standards are WAYYY too high. And most high tier characters use barriers to protect the planet itself while fighting.

We see Feldway >>>>>>>> Awakened Demon lord >>> Demon lord seed = fodders here that could destroy a minimum Low 2-C thing not being able to destroy even the universe of the cardinal world alone lol

But yes, Rimuru's first key is already far superior to Razen and S rank, superior to Demon Lord seeds like Carrion, Clayman (pre awakened) and Frey. It's something like "6-B in Cardinal World, Low 2-C/higher normally"

No way those old YouTube scalers were correct all along

 

[Emils_tempest]

On that note, it seems the Phantoms that exist in this world have an EP below a million, specifically around the level of a demon lord seed....

"I guess the demon class is about B rank to A-minus rank. The Mythical/Dragon rank is about A-minus rank. If so, the demon must be a ‘phantom-race.’"

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

"I guess the demon class is about B rank to A-minus rank. The Mythical/Dragon rank is about A-minus rank. If so, the demon must be a ‘phantom-race.’"

God/Buddha rank in that world are kime A rank in Cardinal world lol

 

[Mido02]

God/Buddha rank in that world are kime A rank in Cardinal world lol

I wanted to know what is the chance that these characters has ftl speed in any other world other than Cardinal world is there chance or are they just sol at best

 

[Emils_tempest]

I wanted to know what is the chance that these characters has ftl speed in any other world other than Cardinal world is there chance or are they just sol at best

I already did a mftl+/infini speed scale via this on a discord

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

I wanted to know what is the chance that these characters has ftl speed in any other world other than Cardinal world is there chance or are they just sol at best

Vega supposedly did FTL movement in the labyrinth. Labyrinth has its own rules/laws, not bound to the cardinal world's laws in that sense.

 

[Emils_tempest]

Vega supposedly did FTL movement in the labyrinth. Labyrinth has its own rules/laws, not bound to the cardinal world's laws in that sense.

When ??????

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

When ??????

Actually it was Zegion, not Vega, reading it again. But here:

Now that he saw Zegion for the threat he was, Vega began to reanalyze him. Looking at his overwhelming battle sense and destructive power, he appeared to be superior to Vega when it came to close combat. Judging by his movements, which seemed to transcend the laws of physics, Vega was convinced that he was something close to a spiritual life-form.

Andddd this supposedly means SLFs in general can do FTL movement outside the cardinal world.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

@AlexSamDen
Disintegration for saare , maybe ?



@Astral_Trinity439
Hey Astral, do you know which magic Sare is referring to here?

Gyazo

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The Tensura Wiki lists Disintegration for him, but I have not been able to find the source. I believe it might be from this scan tho.

 

[Emils_tempest]

Andddd this supposedly means SLFs in general can do FTL movement outside the cardinal world.

"transcend the laws of physics" it is not clearly stated that it is ftl this could mean many things without counting that here it seems to be more due to the nature of the individual than to the fact that different laws of the world = allow to exceed the speed of light