-Kaneki vs Chisaki- [14-8-0] - GRACE

[CastoriceTheFifth]

i'll js wait for @Kingofwolves999 coz he's the most reliable mha debater here
mha fans trying to argue shigaraki in that vegeta vs shigaraki fight

Funny thing is, i checked and base deku and overhaul barely fought. For like the minute they have fought, Overhaul cooked Low 7-B Deku, the same deku that was vastly faster than Overhaul, and avoided Deku's one shot (low 7-b AP Vs 8-A durability). Overhaul could still hit this same Deku despite his skill, analytical prediction, and vastly superior speed

Btw Nighteye was also High 7-C, stronger than 8-A overhaul. He folded 2 people tiers stonger than him

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Kaneki's kagune resists decay at the cellular level. The RC depressant simply disrupts cellular function and disrupts their communication.

If Overhaul's decon works at the molecular level, then it works. If not, then Kaneki resists.

Im too lazy to use the other argument so I'm just gonna use the shigaraki argument again

So Shigaraki's deconstruction decays beyond the cellular level as established in a previous match and he can resist his own deconstruction. Yet he can still get one shotted by Overhaul's quirk.

So

 

[LaserPrecision]

So Shigaraki's deconstruction decays beyond the cellular level as established in a previous match and he can resist his own deconstruction. Yet he can still get one shotted by Overhaul's quirk.

He's not getting affected because of the level Overhaul works at, but because it functions differently from decay.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

He's not getting affected because of the level Overhaul works at, but because it functions differently from decay.

This is what I've been saying for like the entirety of the first page but no somehow I'm apparently arguing for layered deconstruction

 

[Robo432343]

I'm apparently arguing for layered deconstruction

probably coz u keep sayin stuff like this:

backed up by Shigaraki, who has RESISTANCE to decon and is literally using a COPY OF OVERHAULS QUIRK, can still get one shotted by Overhaul

Tomura Shigaraki can resist deconstruction and has a way stronger deconstruction Overhaul's deconstruction, yet can still get one shotted by the Overhaul quirk.

he can still get one shotted by the overhaul quirk.

stick with the functioning differently argument

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

probably coz u keep sayin stuff like this:




stick with the functioning differently argument

Yeah. Im saying that because his deconstruction resistance wasnt capable of defending against Overhaul's quirk, which would stem to Kaneki's resistance because his resistance is way off of being even close to resisting it. I was never trying to argue it was layered

 

[NikHelton]

Yeah. Im saying that because his deconstruction resistance wasnt capable of defending against Overhaul's quirk, which would stem to Kaneki's resistance because his resistance is way off of being even close to resisting it. I was never trying to argue it was layered

Dude, Chisaki's ability disassembles and assembles matter. Kaneki's Kagune simply can't be disassembled.

Just because Shigaraki doesn't resist it because of a different decon type doesn't mean Kaneki doesn't either.

 

[DarthSorox]

Kaneki will also successfully evade attacks using analytical prediction, accelerated perception, and skill. He will activate his kakuja quite quickly and become much faster than his opponent.
The very fact that Deku was hit by Chisaki's attacks is a deachment for Deku. At that point, he is insufficiently experienced and cannot adequately counter flexible attacks. For Kaneki, this is his environment. The spikes won't be a problem, especially considering they can be destroyed.

 

[NikHelton]

Unless me being a Choujin X fan qualifies me as one by default ig)

I want to check out Choujin X. Foriaa said it's a very good work. What do you think?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Dude, Chisaki's ability disassembles and assembles matter. Kaneki's Kagune simply can't be disassembled.

Just because Shigaraki doesn't resist it because of a different decon type doesn't mean Kaneki doesn't either.

Bro both of their resistances are based off of resisting disintegration. Hell, the disintegration Shigaraki resists is beyond the cellular level. Yet he can still get one shotted by the overhaul quirk because his deconstruction is entirely different. So the guy with the literal copy of the original quirk is incapable of resisting the quirk but kaneki is somehow able to. Why are we wasting entire pages trying to argue this bro

 

[NikHelton]

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this key of kaneki scales to this

its over bro

Will you vote?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Will you vote?

There’s nothing really to vote for yet because the discussion didn’t properly start yet. It’s just about whether or not Kaneki can resist the overhaul quirk (he isnt capable of resisting it)

 

[NikHelton]

Bro both of their resistances are based off of resisting disintegration. Hell, the disintegration Shigaraki resists is beyond the cellular level. Yet he can still get one shotted by the overhaul quirk because his deconstruction is entirely different. So the guy with the literal copy of the original quirk is incapable of resisting the quirk but kaneki is somehow able to. Why are we wasting entire pages trying to argue this bro

Because either Shigaraki doesn't resist deconstruction because it works differently than his and it doesn't affect Kaneki, or Chisaki's deconstruction is one layer higher and you need to make a thread about it.

Bro, if you're saying Chisaki kills those who resist deconstruction, then you need to make a thread about it.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Because either Shigaraki doesn't resist deconstruction because it works differently than his and it doesn't affect Kaneki, or Chisaki's deconstruction is one layer higher and you need to make a thread about it.

Bro, if you're saying Chisaki kills those who resist deconstruction, then you need to make a thread about it.

Bro. Its on his profile that Shigaraki resists deconstruction.

Kaneki's resistance is arguably similar to Shigaraki's resistance, yet Shigaraki can still get one shotted by the Overhaul quirk due to how vastly different his usage/version is from a normal deconstruction.

I am NOT arguing it is a layered resistance.

Im not even the only one saying this.

why is Kaneki's type of resistance being compared to the type of Decon Overhaul has?

Kaneki's profile says "Biological Deconstruction" so its only covering Decon that targets Biology i.e breaking down cells as it says. Overhaul's is Deconstruction plus Matter Manipulation since he's targeting the matter of the object and breaking it down to literally nothing, it doesn't target biology in specific or anything.

I'm not a MHA or Tokyo Ghoul fan (Unless me being a Choujin X fan qualifies me as one by default ig), but I'm in agreement that the resistance Kaneki has doesn't cover Overhaul's form of deconstruction.

It's like if someone resists regeneration negation via poison. It doesn't mean they can resist regeneration negation via magic or bio-hax.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Kaneki will also successfully evade attacks using analytical prediction, accelerated perception, and skill. He will activate his kakuja quite quickly and become much faster than his opponent.
The very fact that Deku was hit by Chisaki's attacks is a deachment for Deku. At that point, he is insufficiently experienced and cannot adequately counter flexible attacks. For Kaneki, this is his environment. The spikes won't be a problem, especially considering they can be destroyed.

How is it a detachment for Deku if Deku was capable of analyzing an experienced Pro Hero like Gran Torino and analyzed his flight pattern and how he was going to attack when they literally only fought for like a few seconds. He was also capable of doing the same thing against Lemillion where he was capable of near instantly predicting Lemillion and knowing where he was going to attack and almost even landed an attack on him before Lemillion realized what Deku did. Keep in mind he had way less time to predict Lemillion than against Gran Torino. This same Lemillion seemingly blitzing the entire Class 1-A jumping him and looking like hes warping across the room. The same Lemillion who has prediction skills comparable to Sir Nighteye, his master, who can literally see the future and is shown to being 100% accurate and out skilling the entire class jumping him. Deku also developed his analytical skills since childhood.

Is it also a detachment for Sir Nighteye to getting instantly folded by Base Overhaul when Nighteye can literally see the entirety of his opponent's future second by second, from one hour to even years beyond present time? All of them being 100% accurate too btw. This same Nighteye was also stronger than Overhaul like how Deku was vastly faster and stronger than Overhaul in 20%

 

[Arsuzz]

Helton and Castorise dispute now looks like this:

 

[NikHelton]

Bro. Its on his profile that Shigaraki resists deconstruction.

Kaneki's resistance is arguably similar to Shigaraki's resistance, yet Shigaraki can still get one shotted by the Overhaul quirk due to how vastly different his usage/version is from a normal deconstruction.

Either these are unrelated abilities and it doesn't affect Kaneki, or Chisaki has a higher decon level and you need to make a thread. I'm tired of saying this.

I am NOT arguing it is a layered resistance.

Im not even the only one saying this.

To change matter, he needs to decompose it. He can't decompose the kagune due to its cellular stability. He can't control the kagune's matter because Kaneki controls and restructures the cells of his kagune himself.

For this to work, Chisaki must have more layers.

 

[NikHelton]

He was also capable of doing the same thing against Lemillion where he was capable of near instantly predicting Lemillion and knowing where he was going to attack and almost even landed an attack on him before Lemillion realized what Deku did.

So he couldn't read Lemillion's movements. Cool.

This same Lemillion seemingly blitzing the entire Class 1-A jumping him and looking like hes warping across the room. The same Lemillion who has prediction skills comparable to Sir Nighteye, his master, who can literally see the future and is shown to being 100% accurate and out skilling the entire class jumping him. Deku also developed his analytical skills since childhood.

Is it also a detachment for Sir Nighteye to getting instantly folded by Base Overhaul when Nighteye can literally see the entirety of his opponent's future second by second, from one hour to even years beyond present time? All of them being 100% accurate too btw. This same Nighteye was also stronger than Overhaul like how Deku was vastly faster and stronger than Overhaul in 20%

Foresight doesn't make you invulnerable. Just because you know what an attack is coming doesn't mean you can dodge it, especially if your opponent is spamming them.
Deku is still weak against flexible attacks that freely change trajectory. You can't surprise Kaneki with something like that. It's simply silly to argue with that

 

[NikHelton]

Why Ishida is soo damn good at drawing? God that art looks good

What are you think about match?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

To those saying “Deku could dodge Decon,” no he didn’t. He never got in close range of Overhaul except when he was at 20% and moving way faster than him, and even then he kicked his arms off which Overhaul predicted and stabbed him for doing. His Iron Soles (which have High 6-A durability) are the only reason Deku didn’t immediately die to Overhaul’s spikes because they are faster than Overhaul’s own speed. Deku barely fought Overhaul because he would get stomped on if he did due to the stat gap and Overhaul being smarter than him + his Quirk.

I keep seeing people downplay analytical prediction and then they bring up feats/statements that are the same or worse. This ridiculous downplay needs to stop.

• Deku, in his base form, could not perceive Gran Torino while they were training. He was moving so fast Deku literally couldn’t even see him. Despite this, Deku predicted his movement trajectories TWICE. Once was when they first ever met, he predicted Torino’s pattern of moving behind him and twisted to hit him, which Torino even praised as a good prediction, but Deku was just to slow, otherwise he would have hit him. The second was to bait him into a two layered trap and score a hit on him while activating 5% Full Cowl, which he had learned 30 seconds ago, forcing Torino to use a higher speed out of sheer panic, and even then he got hit.
• Against Stain, first ever encounter before he even knew anything about him, Deku predicted Stain’s swing back and preemptively jumped over it to land a straight shot to his head. He was only caught by Bloodcurdle and paralyzed because he didn’t realize that’s how his quirk worked with a tiny drop of blood, otherwise he would have dodged the second blade Stain had for when he dashed between his legs.
• Against Mirio, who he had seen fight for a total of 5 seconds, he predicted not only that he would be coming after him in the first place in a group of 10+ people, but also the exact area he would come out of the ground and was already launching a kick at his head before Mirio, who is faster than him, could fully process that he had just been predicted. Mirio only manages to get the upper hand because he is faster than 8% Deku and thus reacts before getting hit.
• Gentle Criminal was similarly way faster than Deku to the point he could not predict his movements from his rapid bouncing on top of reflecting back his own attacks to mix in with his bouncing. For all of 20 seconds. Because immediately after claiming Gentle is impossible to predict, he breaks down his quirk, predicts the exact angles of his applications on them (despite the air barriers being invisible), bounces off them to catch up and outsmart Gentle, then again in a split instant before his back even hits the ground, as Gentle spawns an entirely new air barrier shield, threads between the invisible barriers to bounce off the top one and score a direct hit to his chest and apprehend him. A mix of predicting the exact size of something that is invisible, predicting Gentle’s own reaction to him dodging his first attempted barrier, calculating an exact angle to bounce his air shot off of and executing it perfectly for a capture, all in a near instant. All of which he did purely based on his intelligence and predicting the exact usage, speed and technique of an opponent that not even a minute ago he couldn’t predict at all.

This narrative that Deku’s prediction isn’t good is cap. If none of that counts for predicting an opponent I want better examples from Kaneki specifically. His profile just says “he can read his opponent” as if that isn’t the baseline capability of anyone that notices a pattern, Base Deku before he even had Full Cowl was capable of that. Mimicry is a completely separate thing entirely to predicting what your opponent is gonna do and countering before they’ve even done it.

I say all this because Nightye and Mirio’s prediction capabilities are comparable or better than Deku’s and Fused Overhaul would beat both of them in a straight fight. Mirio maybe can only survive due to his Quirk and speed being the highest of the three. Nighteye got finessed and killed in a single clash due to Overhaul manipulating the environment and the fact his spikes are faster than everyone there to stab him through the chest and arm.

Killing people via direct contact is the thing Overhaul has done the least in his fights so even if the Kagune resists Decon it’s not his only win condition considering his other attributes.

It does however make the match invalid since his main win condition is going to be speed difference and he is the slower character.

 

[Arsuzz]

Chisaki will have a hard time hitting Kaneki due to his analytical prediction and instincts, so the ghoul takes the match

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Chisaki will have a hard time hitting Kaneki due to his analytical prediction and instincts, so the ghoul takes the match

He has outskilled people whose predictions scale higher than anything Kaneki supporters have provided. So no, he will not, unless there are some feats I am missing.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

As for the Decon on Kagune argument, whether he can or cannot deconstruct it is a question for sure.

From what it sounds like, his Kagune resists something that disrupts the integrity of RC cells, causing them to disintegrate. Whether that is even actual Decon resistance or not is a question in itself.

But the main thing is that this isn’t a “layer” question. It’s mechanics.

Overhaul doesn’t destabilize something. He turns it into something else. It is a mix of deconstruction and matter manipulation. So at least from my perspective, I don’t see how Kaneki would specifically resist his deconstruction, so much as it seems he resists the RC Suppressant. It seems like a difference of applications of deconstruction that I don’t believe Kaneki can account for. Resisting a specific poison doesn’t mean you also resist all poison.

His cells can’t be destabilized but Overhaul’s touch just kinda flat out matter manipulates them.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Finally Kingofwolves arives

 

[NikHelton]

As for the Decon on Kagune argument, whether he can or cannot deconstruct it is a question for sure.

From what it sounds like, his Kagune resists something that disrupts the integrity of RC cells, causing them to disintegrate. Whether that is even actual Decon resistance or not is a question in itself.

But the main thing is that this isn’t a “layer” question. It’s mechanics.

Overhaul doesn’t destabilize something. He turns it into something else. It is a mix of deconstruction and matter manipulation. So at least from my perspective, I don’t see how Kaneki would specifically resist his deconstruction, so much as it seems he resists the RC Suppressant. It seems like a difference of applications of deconstruction that I don’t believe Kaneki can account for. Resisting a specific poison doesn’t mean you also resist all poison.

His cells can’t be destabilized but Overhaul’s touch just kinda flat out matter manipulates them.

Kaneki manipulates his kagune with his mind and freely changes its density and shape. This will be ineffective against him.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Kaneki manipulates his kagune with his mind and freely changes its density and shape. This will be ineffective against him.

Density, shape, anything he can personally do is irrelevant if Overhaul can indeed affect it. Because it won’t be his Kagune anymore, it will have been turned into something else as its fundamental structure is rewritten. If the RC Cells get matter manip’d into something else then won’t much matter how he can change it.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

His Kagune would be “Overhaul’d.”

Hence his opponents name

 

[NikHelton]

He has outskilled people whose predictions scale higher than anything Kaneki supporters have provided. So no, he will not, unless there are some feats I am missing.

Kaneki overwhelms opponents by freely manipulating the trajectory of his kagune as if it were their fingers. This level of control is superior to Chisaki's spikes, and Kaneki was eventually able to surpass a man who could formulate 645 ways to kill him in two seconds. He also adapts to his opponent as the battle progresses, and his accelerated perception, instinctive reactions, and heightened senses allow him ample time to consider tactics and maneuvers.

His kakuja also provides a blitz boost, but the spikes can still damage him. Also, if Kai touches him directly, it will be a gg.

However, Kaneki can use tricks. For example, he can create a dust cloud, distract Chisaki with a talking kagune, and then blow off Chisaki's head.

 

[NikHelton]

His Kagune would be “Overhaul’d.”

Hence his opponents name

Chisaki reconstructs Kaneki's kagune.
Kaneki reconstructs his kagune back.

 

[NikHelton]

In any case, this saves Kaneki from a one-shot through touch

 

[Foriaa]

Density, shape, anything he can personally do is irrelevant if Overhaul can indeed affect it. Because it won’t be his Kagune anymore, it will have been turned into something else as its fundamental structure is rewritten. If the RC Cells get matter manip’d into something else then won’t much matter how he can change it.

Wouldn't matter if he did that, Kaneki can secrete more and more from his Kakuho, changing the structure of it is going to be very hard as well since it's going to be spamming dozen's upon dozen's of it. Overhaul is going to be dealing with a dude that can flash regen up to mid, alongside spam dozen's upon dozen's of Kagune that are hundreds of meters long.

From what it sounds like, his Kagune resists something that disrupts the integrity of RC cells, causing them to disintegrate. Whether that is even actual Decon resistance or not is a question in itself.

Kagune have several phases, the first being the formative phase where the RC cells bind together, the second being the stable phase where it maintains it's form overtime, and lastly the disintegration phase, where the cell's disintegrate and lose their form, this is what the RC suppressant does.

 

[Foriaa]

Killing people via direct contact is the thing Overhaul has done the least in his fights so even if the Kagune resists Decon it’s not his only win condition considering his other attributes.

Please carefully read Kaneki's page and see that damaging him is one of the most counter productive things you can do in a fight. Kaneki's RE + AD process would allow him to shit blitz and one tap several things that were abusing him and turning him into mush. Chisaki disassembling the ground and turning into spike's is free eats for Kaneki. He's going to use whichever dozen Kagune he wants to move around the terrain, and while Chisaki is focused on him, send a Kagune tentacle up his ass.

 

[Doggo]

send a Kagune tentacle up his ass.

Biggest plot twist in a fight ever since the world slash

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Kaneki overwhelms opponents by freely manipulating the trajectory of his kagune as if it were their fingers. This level of control is superior to Chisaki's spikes, and Kaneki was eventually able to surpass a man who could formulate 645 ways to kill him in two seconds. He also adapts to his opponent as the battle progresses, and his accelerated perception, instinctive reactions, and heightened senses allow him ample time to consider tactics and maneuvers.

His kakuja also provides a blitz boost, but the spikes can still damage him. Also, if Kai touches him directly, it will be a gg.

However, Kaneki can use tricks. For example, he can create a dust cloud, distract Chisaki with a talking kagune, and then blow off Chisaki's head.

Adapting is irrelevant if he gets one shot or deconstructed immediately. Overhaul touches the ground and his Kagune and his body are getting pierced by multiple Low 7-B spikes. AD doesn’t = he can tier jump.

Planning and analysis are not the same. That’s a good intelligence feat for creativity, but the moment an option gets picked is when analysis matters as you can respond to all 645 ways. That’s not really a feat at all to compare to any kind of analytical prediction I have mentioned that Chisaki scales to.

I do not see “higher” in the stats for his Kakuja on his page so I’m going to doubt he has a blitz boost.

Overhaul manipulates the entire area to lift himself out of the cloud and then twists dozens of meters to attack everything around him. He has comparable or higher mobility to Kaneki via the entire terrain being fluid to him.

Chisaki reconstructs Kaneki's kagune.
Kaneki reconstructs his kagune back.

Does kaneki have the ability to manipulate matter? Or are you just saying he can spawn a new Kagune? Cause that doesn’t take away the fact that Overhaul can constantly get his Kagune away from him by touching it, nullifying his major win condition by turning it into something else.

Wouldn't matter if he did that, Kaneki can secrete more and more from his Kakuho, changing the structure of it is going to be very hard as well since it's going to be spamming dozen's upon dozen's of it. Overhaul is going to be dealing with a dude that can flash regen up to mid, alongside spam dozen's upon dozen's of Kagune that are hundreds of meters long.

Kagune have several phases, the first being the formative phase where the RC cells bind together, the second being the stable phase where it maintains it's form overtime, and lastly the disintegration phase, where the cell's disintegrate and lose their form, this is what the RC suppressant does.

All of which he can block or get away from or destroy by turning the ground into a Low 7-B death trap that moves faster than his Kagune and rips it all to nothing. He can touch the ground and immediately form spikes into a crushing trap that blocks massive attempts to hit him.

Overhauls ability has one phase: Anything he touches, he gains the ability to reconstruct into something else. Solid or liquid, as it works on blood and cells, to the point he can restructure a human into a completely different form and they still be alive via his genius biological intellect to construct entirely different systems of life. The RC cells themselves are being turned into not RC cells as their very structure is changed. They won’t even be RC cells if Overhaul touches his Kagune.

Please carefully read Kaneki's page and see that damaging him is one of the most counter productive things you can do in a fight. Kaneki's RE + AD process would allow him to shit blitz and one tap several things that were abusing him and turning him into mush. Chisaki disassembling the ground and turning into spike's is free eats for Kaneki. He's going to use whichever dozen Kagune he wants to move around the terrain, and while Chisaki is focused on him, send a Kagune tentacle up his ass.

The spikes are faster than Kaneki and kill him immediately, as they do everyone that wasn’t faster than Overhaul. And moving around the terrain that is actively trying to kill him from Overhaul having a single hand on the ground and spikes coming out faster than he can react due to speed equal means he won’t have the chance to AD. And he can defend himself from the back because HE IS LITERALLY TWO PEOPLE. He has Nemoto inside his body and can use any of his four limbs to make walls or shift the terrain to block attempts to hit him from below or around.

He predicts Kaneki’s movements and turns him into a pin cushion within the first 10 seconds of the fight.

 

[Foriaa]

All of which he can block or get away from or destroy by turning the ground into a Low 7-B death trap that moves faster than his Kagune and rips it all to nothing. He can touch the ground and immediately form spikes into a crushing trap that blocks massive attempts to hit him.

The Kagune is going to be coming from every single angle, not just the ground or behind etc, but ever angle imaginable, Overhaul is going to be dealing with all of that, and with him only having 4 arms to work with, I don't see how he doesn't get hit.

Overhauls ability has one phase: Anything he touches, he gains the ability to reconstruct into something else. Solid or liquid, as it works on blood and cells, to the point he can restructure a human into a completely different form and they still be alive via his genius biological intellect to construct entirely different systems of life. The RC cells themselves are being turned into not RC cells as their very structure is changed. They won’t even be RC cells if Overhaul touches his Kagune.

As I said above, this doesn't do much, Kaneki can generate more and more Kagune from his Kakuho, changing it into something else wouldn't stop this.

The spikes are faster than Kaneki and kill him immediately, as they do everyone that wasn’t faster than Overhaul.

How exactly are the spike's going to kill someone with Mid regen? Kaneki at this point can regen from anything as long as he isn't blown to pieces, and from what I'm seeing, the spike's themselves don't do that.

And moving around the terrain that is actively trying to kill him from Overhaul having a single hand on the ground and spikes coming out faster than he can react due to speed equal means he won’t have the chance to AD.

Doesn't matter if it's faster than him, Kaneki's IA will allow him to dodge accordingly.

He predicts Kaneki’s movements and turns him into a pin cushion within the first 10 seconds of the fight.

Turning Kaneki into a pin cushion unironically won't kill him.

AD doesn’t = he can tier jump.

Kaneki's AD on his profile btw, let him jump from 609 KT to 956 mega tons. His AD let's him go from Large Town to Mountain+.

 

[Foriaa]

Kaneki can one shot people who were beating his ass after a few seconds of taking damage, Overhaul spiking Kaneki is not going to be helping him.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

The Kagune is going to be coming from every single angle, not just the ground or behind etc, but ever angle imaginable, Overhaul is going to be dealing with all of that, and with him only having 4 arms to work with, I don't see how he doesn't get hit.

As I said above, this doesn't do much, Kaneki can generate more and more Kagune from his Kakuho, changing it into something else wouldn't stop this.

How exactly are the spike's going to kill someone with Mid regen? Kaneki at this point can regen from anything as long as he isn't blown to pieces, and from what I'm seeing, the spike's themselves don't do that.

Doesn't matter if it's faster than him, Kaneki's IA will allow him to dodge accordingly.

Turning Kaneki into a pin cushion unironically won't kill him.

Kaneki's AD on his profile btw, let him just from 609 KT to 956 mega tons. His AD lets him go from Large Town to Mountain+.

Attacking from every angle is irrelevant if you can block from every angle. He literally can just restructure the ground and hit everything around him for dozens of meters and force Kaneki’s attack back.

If this is final key Kaneki then that changes how I would argue this, yes. As the only way he would be able to kill him is by Overhauling him.

Even beyond the spikes or the fighting, there’s basically two ways this fight goes considering Kaneki has High Mid regen.

1) Overhaul cannot Overhaul Kaneki and thus can’t deal with regen so he loses

2) Overhaul can Overhaul Kaneki and he wins by touching a Kagune and spreading it to Kaneki. The Overhaul quirk operates near instantly to anyone comparable in speed to him, so in speed equal, Kaneki is cooked.

So the only arguments that matter is whether Kagune can be Overhaul’d or not.

 

[Foriaa]

I don't think it can, which is why I think this is a brutal stomp in favor of Kaneki. I don't see him dealing with regen, or the AD that lets him one shot and speed blitz people into hell, there also needs to be a versus thread removal done on their previous match since Kaneki pre cochlea doesn't have resistances to overhaul's ability.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

I don't think it can, which is why I think this is a brutal stomp in favor of Kaneki. I don't see him dealing with regen, or the AD that lets him one shot and speed blitz people into hell, there also needs to be a versus thread removal done on their previous match since Kaneki pre cochlea doesn't have resistances to overhaul's ability.

From how the RC suppressant was described, it interferes with a process that results in the RC Cells being deconstructed/disintegrated. That or I’m misunderstanding something.

That in itself is not similar to Overhaul, who deconstructs via matter manipulation.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Also I just checked OP, this is Post Rose Kaneki not Post Dragon.

Why is anyone talking about his 7-A key? He caps at higher into High 7-C.