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-Kaneki vs Chisaki- [14-8-0] - GRACE

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  • Speed is Equalized;
  • Kaneki (Post-Rose) - 91 Kilotons of TNT and Class G;
  • Overhaul (Nemoto Fusion) - 711 Tons of TNT physically, 2.15 Megatons of TNT with Spikes and Class K;
  • Starting distance: 20 meters.
  • Place: Tokyo.

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Kaneki: @DarthSorox, @Arsuzz, @Foriaa, @Mikazzzuchi, @MintyBoi1, @NikHelton, @LegendariumOfLies, @Robo432343, @Saqphire, @Doggo, @Tony_di_bugalu, @M2u12, @GodEarh206, @Jaynic1
Chisaki: @CastoriceTheFifth, @Bruhtelho, @Machmatej, @Kingofwolves999, @Kavopaco, @Arkenis, @JoeDM021, @Anonymous_Learner
Incon:
 
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Okay, this makes more sense than the previous match. Here, both have one-shot wincons, and the match won't end in a split-second stomping.

This version of Kaneki has limited resistance to Kagune deconstruction because his kagune limbs weren't disintegrated after contact with the RC suppressor. Furthermore, his 7-C AP will allow him to kill Kai with one successful hit, and his skills are much better than in the first key.

On the other hand, Chisaki can still kill Kaneki with direct contact, and his AP is still orders of magnitude higher, allowing him to damage Kaneki even without physical contact.

However, Kaneki's skills in this key are quite good, and his half-kakuja and kakuja open up feints and provide a better speed + AP boost.

I'm leaning closer to the One-Eyed King
 
Judging by his kagune profile, Kaneki can handle deconstruction. After sustaining injuries from Low 7-B, he'll transition to kakuja mode, making it easier for him to land a fatal blow. For now, I'm voting for the ghoul.

A question for MHA supporters: how will Chisaki close the distance to directly attack Kaneki?
 
Judging by his kagune profile, Kaneki can handle deconstruction. After sustaining injuries from Low 7-B, he'll transition to kakuja mode, making it easier for him to land a fatal blow. For now, I'm voting for the ghoul.

A question for MHA supporters: how will Chisaki close the distance to directly attack Kaneki?
Im waiting for MHA supporters rn to make an opinion
Just gonna point this out right now. No Kaneki cannot handle deconstruction. His resistance to biological deconstruction and overhauls "Earth Manipulation, Healing, Resurrection, Biological Manipulation, Fusionism, Deconstruction, and Matter Manipulation" are completely different. Tomura Shigaraki can resist deconstruction and has a way stronger deconstruction Overhaul's deconstruction, yet can still get one shotted by the Overhaul quirk. Keep in mind the Decay quirk is a copy of Overhaul's quirk but stripped from all its reconstruction/other exclusive abilities and had its deconstruction effects amplified on steroids.

And no saying Shigaraki is immune to his quirk isnt correct, the overhaul quirk works on Kai himself. Shigaraki is also accepted as being resistant to deconstruction.

So keep that in mind that the person who has more arguments than Kaneki for resisting Decon and is literally using the modified version of the overhaul quirk cannot resist being one shotted by it
 
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Just gonna point this out right now. No Kaneki cannot handle deconstruction. His resistance to biological deconstruction and overhauls "Earth Manipulation, Healing, Resurrection, Biological Manipulation, Fusionism, Deconstruction, and Matter Manipulation" are completely different. Tomura Shigaraki can resist deconstruction and has a way stronger deconstruction Overhaul's deconstruction, yet can still get one shotted by the Overhaul quirk. Keep in mind the Decay quirk is a copy of Overhaul's quirk but stripped from all its reconstruction/other exclusive abilities and had its deconstruction effects amplified on steroids.

And no saying Shigaraki is immune to his quirk isnt correct, the overhaul quirk works on Kai himself. Shigaraki is also accepted as being resistant to deconstruction.

So keep that in mind that the person who has more arguments than Kaneki for resisting Decon and is literally using the modified version of the overhaul quirk cannot resist being one shotted by it
To emphasize even further why it isnt him being immune to his quirk either.

List of emitter quirk users like shigaraki being resistant to their own and and resistant to its effects in general

Bakugo: Resistant to the heat of his own quirk

Endeavor: Resistant to the heat of his own Quirk

Dabi: Resistant to the heat of his own quirk

Burnin: Resistant to the heat of her own quirk

Todoroki: Resistant to the heat and cold of his own quirk

Mina: Resistant to the Acid of her own quirk

Why would Shigaraki somehow be the one outlier to the list
 
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Just gonna point this out right now. No Kaneki cannot handle deconstruction. His resistance to biological deconstruction and overhauls "Earth Manipulation, Healing, Resurrection, Biological Manipulation, Fusionism, Deconstruction, and Matter Manipulation" are completely different. Tomura Shigaraki can resist deconstruction and has a way stronger deconstruction Overhaul's deconstruction, yet can still get one shotted by the Overhaul quirk. Keep in mind the Decay quirk is a copy of Overhaul's quirk but stripped from all its reconstruction/other exclusive abilities and had its deconstruction effects amplified on steroids.
You're contradicting yourself. If Shigaraki's Quirk is superior and he can resist it, then he should be able to resist Overhaul's too. It's just a vicious cycle.
Shigaraki is simply susceptible to other people's decay. Especially considering Overhaul is more experienced and decays much faster.
 
You're contradicting yourself. If Shigaraki's Quirk is superior and he can resist it, then he should be able to resist Overhaul's too. It's just a vicious cycle.
Shigaraki is simply susceptible to other people's decay. Especially considering Overhaul is more experienced and decays much faster.
Im saying stronger because 1 can decay the full 378,000 square kilometers of an entire country while the other guy can only decay the thing they're touching.

At the end of the day, despite both quirks being similar (considering one is straight up the copy of the other quirk) and shigaraki being resistant to the effects of deconstruction, he can still get one shotted by the overhaul quirk. Kaneki isnt capable of resisting Overhaul's decay since his resistance is completely different and the fact that Shigaraki's resistance, despite being way closer to the Overhaul quirk, still gets one shotted by it
 
Kaneki's kagune is resisting this. MHA supporters will just come and write fan fiction, and then, if the competition goes differently, they'll ask for the match to be closed, like they did with Togata
Kaneki's kagune is not resisting it when its an entirely different resistance to overhaul's decon and backed up by Shigaraki, who has RESISTANCE to decon and is literally using a COPY OF OVERHAULS QUIRK, can still get one shotted by Overhaul

I can see this argument being made if its like against Shigaraki's decay but Kai's overhaul not even close
 
Im saying stronger because 1 can decay the full 378,000 square kilometers of an entire country while the other guy can only decay the thing they're touching.

At the end of the day, despite both quirks being similar (considering one is straight up the copy of the other quirk) and shigaraki being resistant to the effects of deconstruction, he can still get one shotted by the overhaul quirk. Kaneki isnt capable of resisting Overhaul's decay since his resistance is completely different and the fact that Shigaraki's resistance, despite being way closer to the Overhaul quirk, still gets one shotted by it
you are trying to argue that its layered which you need a CRT for
 
you are trying to argue that its layered which you need a CRT for
That’s not what I’m arguing. You were literally in the same crt when this was proposed and accepted. Both Shigaraki’s and Overhaul’s usage are decay/decon are vastly different that they cannot resist each other’s ability.

What kaneki’s kagune would be arguably capable of resisting is Shigaraki’s decon, not Overhaul’s decon.
 
Im saying stronger because 1 can decay the full 378,000 square kilometers of an entire country while the other guy can only decay the thing they're touching.

At the end of the day, despite both quirks being similar (considering one is straight up the copy of the other quirk) and shigaraki being resistant to the effects of deconstruction, he can still get one shotted by the overhaul quirk. Kaneki isnt capable of resisting Overhaul's decay since his resistance is completely different and the fact that Shigaraki's resistance, despite being way closer to the Overhaul quirk, still gets one shotted by it
They're both susceptible to each other's powers. They're both very cautious because they know the other's technique kills on contact. No need to imagine additional layers.
Do you have an example of Chisaki's quirk actually working on Shigaraki?
 
That’s not what I’m arguing. You were literally in the same crt when this was proposed and accepted. Both Shigaraki’s and Overhaul’s usage are decay/decon are vastly different that they cannot resist each other’s ability.

What kaneki’s kagune would be arguably capable of resisting is Shigaraki’s decon, not Overhaul’s decon.
Just do a CRT about multilayer decomposition
 
if deku is skilled enough to dodge overhaul's decon why not kaneki
this key of kaneki is just as skilled
 
I’m not arguing about his Decon being layered. I’m saying overhaul’s deconstruction is vastly different than Shigaraki's decon for his resistance to work

Earth Manipulation, Healing, Resurrection, Biological Manipulation, Fusionism, Deconstruction, and Matter Manipulation Overhaul

Deconstruction Shigaraki


Kaneki's resistance would arguably only work for like, shigaraki's decon
If you think Shigaraki is resistant to deconstruction, and Overhaul bypasses his resistance, then it's a multi-layered hax. Just make a thread.

I recently did this for a regen neg. It's a must-have.
 
Kaneki's kagune is resisting this. MHA supporters will just come and write fan fiction, and then, if the competition goes differently, they'll ask for the match to be closed, like they did with Togata
I'm not a MHA or Tokyo Ghoul fan (Unless me being a Choujin X fan qualifies me as one by default ig), but I'm in agreement that the resistance Kaneki has doesn't cover Overhaul's form of deconstruction.

It's like if someone resists regeneration negation via poison. It doesn't mean they can resist regeneration negation via magic or bio-hax.
 
If you think Shigaraki is resistant to deconstruction, and Overhaul bypasses his resistance, then it's a multi-layered hax. Just make a thread.

I recently did this for a regen neg. It's a must-have.
Broskie how is it a layered hax if Shigaraki doesn’t even have resistance to the other haxes of the overhaul quirk that makes his Decon vastly different than normal
 
why is Kaneki's type of resistance being compared to the type of Decon Overhaul has?

Kaneki's profile says "Biological Deconstruction" so its only covering Decon that targets Biology i.e breaking down cells as it says. Overhaul's is Deconstruction plus Matter Manipulation since he's targeting the matter of the object and breaking it down to literally nothing, it doesn't target biology in specific or anything.
 
I'm not a MHA or Tokyo Ghoul fan (Unless me being a Choujin X fan qualifies me as one by default ig), but I'm in agreement that the resistance Kaneki has doesn't cover Overhaul's form of deconstruction.

It's like if someone resists regeneration negation via poison. It doesn't mean they can resist regeneration negation via magic or bio-hax.
Even better example, its like saying Tanjiro can resist Mahito's idle transfiguration because his profile lists resistance to soul manipulation

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Kaneki's kagune is resisting this. MHA supporters will just come and write fan fiction, and then, if the competition goes differently, they'll ask for the match to be closed, like they did with Togata
By this logic, Kaneki can’t resist Muzan’s bio hax because it one shotted the slayers who had high resistance to bio deconstruction. (Even though the same counter arguments against this argument was that they were entirely different resistances, just like this one)
 
this version of deku is significantly less skilled than kaneki but was still able to dodge overhauls decon
 
I'm not a MHA or Tokyo Ghoul fan (Unless me being a Choujin X fan qualifies me as one by default ig), but I'm in agreement that the resistance Kaneki has doesn't cover Overhaul's form of deconstruction.

It's like if someone resists regeneration negation via poison. It doesn't mean they can resist regeneration negation via magic or bio-hax.
why is Kaneki's type of resistance being compared to the type of Decon Overhaul has?

Kaneki's profile says "Biological Deconstruction" so its only covering Decon that targets Biology i.e breaking down cells as it says. Overhaul's is Deconstruction plus Matter Manipulation since he's targeting the matter of the object and breaking it down to literally nothing, it doesn't target biology in specific or anything.
Kaneki's kagune resists decay at the cellular level. The RC depressant simply disrupts cellular function and disrupts their communication.

If Overhaul's decon works at the molecular level, then it works. If not, then Kaneki resists.
 
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