As a Toaru supporter, this is a huge stomp for Neo. Kakine can't handle any of that lol
Neo's mind is infinite in potency, so anything that even affects the mind couldn't really work. Dude could even think when his entire body is erased/gone, or even if the soul is gone. Technically even when his "mind" is gone he can come back.
For the soul and mind, I said it in response to the transmutation, as in, the transmutation really wouldn't do anything, since if it affected him, he could simply kill himself via a thought, and come back to life (with Accelerated Development btw).
His stuff is rooted in his soul/seed of existence and can think after destruction of his body so physical alterations are useless anyways better off saying that
Has he shown the ability to death hax inanimate matter? Same question to his fear hax.
Same as the above, I get the "conceptual" part is supposed to make this really impressive, but he still needs feats where he affects inanimate stuff.
These would have to affect the disconnected bodies too, any evidence supporting that?
Is it in character for him to erase whole cities as soon as battles start? Kakine can spread himself over a whole island in a second, if the battle keeps going anything less than destroying their half of the planet (or even the whole planet) wouldn't be enough.
The first doesn't cover Kakine's type 8 from what I've seen, even the mechanics behind Kakaine's regen are completely different from the Phoenix and the Minotaur that Neo's profile talks about, I see no reason for his regen to get nulled but even if it does, that doesn't solve Type 8.
He has been able to kill Statues before via his death abilities, and has shown to able to death hax individual body parts, if that helps. Was also able to kill flame and other elements.
See the above. They are the same.
Not that I recall, no. That said, absorption is an aura, so anything that comes close will get absorbed, and the time stop or devour works by absorbing the time elementals of something, which are like particles that exist in everything, which will erase them from the timeline.
Ehhh not really, no, at least not in a normal location such as earth. Though if it reached such an extent that'll require him
Noted.
It's mostly about his abilities, where if you keep using them more and more, they evolve (in this case, dying or killing himself), and they evolve based on one's experiences. For example, one of his abilities, Eternal, he got it based on his experience of being in the time stream where he kept aging and deaging, and Eternal skill made him ageless in return. The AD will just keep making him stronger and faster. Though, Neo will eventually reach his third key if the battle keeps continuing, and by then, he'll be able to absorb one's Seed of Existence, which will erase them from a conceptual and informational level, and that does include clones or whatnot iirc.
Kakine still obviously has a mind.
To be sure, generic random statues?
Doesn't, organic matter is mostly considered alive.
Magical ones or natural ones? If there's any explanation on why exactly he can do that I'd like to see it, but yeah this is in line with what's required to deal with Kakine.
This seems to be heading to an inconclusive, as neither seem to be able to kill each other.
Ehhhhhh
Kakine's powers don't really fit in the usual definition of clones if you ask me, his stuff is pretty specific in nature.
No? DM Kakine (especially during NT6) doesn't really have a mind, it's literally just DM that got his personality coded into it.
We know they are stone statues, and were shown to be rubble when broken.
They're mostly the same? IIRC in verse, Magical or Natural Flames all use the same flame elementals, so they're barely any different in-verse (except for a few things).
I'll respond to this below.
Meh, not really? Nothing that Kakine has doesn't exist in the verse, so I don't really see why it couldn't just evolve eventually to counter it, but even if he doesn't it doesn't really matter since he'll level up eventually.
Clones were just an example, but Neo in the next key eats up the Seed of Existence, which "Is the fundamental self-definition of a person and contains their concept", and it was shown that anything you create iirc are connected via Existence, and he can just eat it up. Either way, if the match prolongs to the point Neo just becomes the next key, then unless Kakine's range reaches Solar System or smth, he can still just erase him. He still has a pretty good win-con, especially if he reaches the next key considering he'll just know everything about Kakine and know what to do next.
I mean, they weren't magical statues is what I was asking in practice, your answer didn't really tell me much.
2 things:
His profile doesn't mention any type 8 immortality similar to Kakine's and none of his abilities even later down the line seem to be actually definitive ways to kill Kakine.
Thing is, he isn't fighting a person here, there's no individual source here, there's not a personal concept.
Not sure exactly what you mean? We don't really know much about their nature besides the fact they are statues that kill anyone who has seen them and keep coming back. Surely you aren't insinuating that because they can move, hence magical, and it is disqualified?
I'm pretty sure I have other scenes where he kill normal stuff, but I can't find it for the life of me so Ignore it for now.
That seems weird? Kakine is still an individual, the DM is Kakine, even if his personality and stuff are ******. Hell, he has Extraordinary Genius and can apparently think. I don't see how this somehow proves that he doesn't have a type 3 concept, which is just weird. And even then, I don't see how that stops the Info type 2 absorption? Unless you want to institute that he also somehow doesn't have info type 2? Like, it is very weird, you say that Kakine doesn't even exist, and it is just DM, but he can still think and do stuff, so idk how he can't have concept type 3 or info type 2.
That's the point yes, killing something that is powered by magic is completely different from the requirement to deal with Kakine.
I mean, that's fine but then comes the problem that due to verse equalization Kakine has no elemental of his own, how does his power interact with stuff in this case?
You're definitely not following nor understanding what the deal with Kakine is.
He has all the capabilities of the original Kakine yes, but you can understand it better if you it as the difference between an artificial intelligence and a real human.
Spreading outside of the planet is very unlikely although not impossible if it just lasts that much.
That's fine then.Everything in the verse has information/concept/self-definition
The Dark Matter is
I mean, as I said in the start Kakine needs a mere moment to spread his DM over a massive distance, and beyond the obvious white bodies and other constructs Kakine can spread DM in more dispersed ways that are essentially invisible due to their size.
