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Isekai at Peace: Removing World Creator Resistances

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This is a remake of parts of this thread.

We currently assume Quasi-Omnipotent beings like Shiro and Kuro resist all the abilities of each other, because of statements like this where its stated Shiro's powers don't work on Kuro (Chapter 77). I don't think we should take this at face value, we have to look in to why Shiro's powers don't work on Kuro, the next scan under Kuro's resistances on her profile explains this, Shiro essentially manipulated the future to fit the future she saw with her and Kaito, but Kuro unintentionally altered that future because Kuro nullifies Shiro's power (Chapter 548), it doesn't say Kuro resists Shiro's power, it says she nullifies it, which is the same sort of statement that we got when Shiro and Kuro fought 20,000 years ago, that they nullify each other's power (Chapter 174), this isn't resistance, but power null imo.

In addition, if they really did have resistances to all of each other's powers, then Fate shouldn't have been able to affect Kuro 20,000 years ago, but we have seen that Fate's authority is powerful enough (Chapter 1516) to exhaust Kuro a little bit before fighting Shiro. In the main story it was stated Fate's authority doesn't work on Shiro, Kuro nor Kaito who is blessed by Shiro (Chapter 216), so I think it makes sense that Shiro and Kuro developed a resistance over time, but it's clearly not a natural thing for them to have these resistances.

Back to Fate, she is stated to be the most powerful God after Shiro, and the closest in power, with her eyes even being able to turn into the same eyes as Shiro letting her see the past, present and future (Chapter 216). She is also stated to be the closet being to Shiro, even her nature (Chapter 268). While it is still a bit confusing that Fate's ability wasn't nullified, despite her nature being close to Shiro's, it does prove World Creator's don't just naturally have resistances to everything.

In verse, the stronger you are, the more resistances you have, but unless I am forgetting something nothing shows beings on Quasi-Omnipotent level resisting everything each other can do. At the Omnipotent level we have seen Kuro & Makina for example resisting Shiro's time manipulation (Chapter 2274), so they have resistances to some of each other's abilities, but no proof exists that they resist everything, so those resistances should be removed.

Also with the power null it's stated to happen because Shiro and Kuro were originally 1 entity (Chapter 174), so I think this leads into something I have been thinking about for a while, that this nullification is specific due to the nature of Shiro and Kuro. It won't just passively nullify any and all abilities, it's specific to when Kuro and Shiro fight, so ultimately useless in a vs match, despite being powerful. Authorities are stated to be reproductions of Shiro's power (Chapter 1183), and the authority Shiro gave to Olivia can nullify all abilities including authorities (Chapter 2137), but this doesn't work on beings like Shiro, so World Creators will still have good power null and resistance to it, but anything more than that is just a major assumption imo.

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  • Remove all the resistances World Creators like Shiro have due to scaling to Kuro nullifying Shiro's power.
  • The power null which happens when Shiro and Kuro fight, and works on them despite their resistance to powernull, is a specific thing that only happens between the 2 of them, and isn't usable normally.
 
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Her resistances fall under the same logic, we assumed she had the same resistances because she could perfectly copy Shiro, all that is going away. All WC's are losing resistances based on the Kuro and Shiro resist each others abilities logic as I said in the op.
 
The power null which happens when Shiro and Kuro fight, and works on them despite their resistance to powernull, is a specific thing that only happens between the 2 of them, and isn't usable normally.
Except Eden is said to null Shiro's powers too when she can kill Kaito and Shiro wouldn't be able to resurrect him. This is because Eden is as strong as Shiro. Shiro and Kuro nullifying each other's powers is because they are equal in strength.

Besides, Kuro fought Shiro at the end of the main story, and so they naturally nullify each other's powers when doing so, yeah? Except Kuro was fighting Eden the entire time and didn't notice anything wrong until after the fight ended. So the passive nullification, Eden has it too. This alone debunks that this is specific to Kuro and Shiro only.
 
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Cool seems like there is already enough input here.

Since we are on the topic of power null, in terms of who should keep it, as mentioned above Eden was able to perfectly copy Shiro without even Shiro's other half Kuro, being able to notice, and their fight where Eden was pretending to be Shiro vs Kuro, was the same as Kuro vs Shiro, a fist fight/brute force.

This has been brought up before in previous threads how the higher up in power you go, the more you can do, beings like Eden and Shiro are almost "omnipotent", being able to do almost anything, hence makes perfect sense Eden can do whatever Shiro can, however there should be some exceptions to this, first of all Fate who is being downgraded here, shouldn't be assumed to have the same power null as Shiro and co, and 2nd weirdly enough would be Alice, as of the most recent chapters she is in terms of power "Quasi-Omnipotent", almost "Omnoptent", but she isn't described like Shiro or Eden where they know almost everything, can do almost anything etc, so until there is proof of this don't think she scales to their level of power null, with the exception of maybe the Abyss Tartarus, which Eden/Makina gave Alice, and then with her reactive evolution she could probably resist it due to how it works, but this hasn't been shown in series, so she shouldn't have a confirmed resistance.
 
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I think Alice as of now should scale to Eden's powernull, because chapter 2190 has her scaled above Eden.
 
remove the verse 👀
My reaction:
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Anyway, we have enough staff vote yes?
 
@Legacy30 In terms of raw power sure.

But what about abilities? That's not really confirmed, though honestly the way her ultimate battle form works it explosively lets her evolve, if she can't resist something, she will become able to, lacks the ap, gains it etc, and once all her abilities outperform her opponent, her growth slows. Alice is as strong as she is due to using her ultimate battle form vs True Form Makina, so she hasn't surpassed her, but has surpassed Eden, her clone.

Idk feels a little iffy to me, it would help if Alice had some "being able to do almost anything" descriptions, though when she created an infinite space Kaito described her as such, but at the same time said her creation abilities are limited, not having as much proficiency as the Evil God, who was far weaker than Alice, so she was limited in some ways, Alice at that time could give Quasi-Omnipotent Kuro a good fight, if anything the fact she can fight Kuro should probably be the strongest evidence, that and the fact UBF would have let her evolve gaining new abilities so I suppose I am fine with it for Alice.
 
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Very oke, remove the verse 👀
This is the best fate for us ngl

When the anime comes, people will look at the profiles and either glaze it or hate it or make stupid tiktoks on it

Or they will make Goku vs Isekai characters again
 
Changes have been applied, except for Fate, which I will do once her downgrade thread goes through.

Thinking about revising WC hax layers again at some point, but that is for another day, closing this.
 
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