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The Boys discussion thread

also i feel like we should prolly get pages for polarity n that vikor guy soon

and lowk vicky’s daughter should get a page too bc i think we kinda have enough stuff for her
 
Spinoirr said:
Honestly I think all supes should either Reactive Evolution or Reactive Power Level at this point via the fact all Supes can "Level Up" via training and enough stress

Annie and Mave is proof of this, and now we have Gen V Season 2 as proof of this
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While the statement it's there, I think Cipher was just bluffing, and Marie is the only one with said ability

Also, Maeve and Annie training wouldn't qualify imo, they simply, well, trained and got stronger. And in Gen V, no other supe made the progress Marie made, so personally I wouldn't give it to every supe until further notice.

However, it's possible this applies to Homelander, as the only other successful subject from the Odessa Project
 
FentyBeauty said:
omg also honestly marie was kinda weird this episode

im like mad abt the way she js healed a random guy first but shes not gonna do that for cate even tho cate swore she wasn’t gonna use her powers on her friends way before

like i get what happened in s1 bc of cate & marie has a right to like not trust her but then shes also the one bloodbending jordan & the others n telling cate to mind control them so idk whats upp
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It's because she still blamed Cate for Andre's death. That's why Polarity telling Marie to stop chastising Cate over it was significant, because that's Andre's father telling Marie it wasn't Cate's fault, but himself.

Marie choosing to heal Godolkin is because she was confident that he could stop Homelander. Plus, she was under the assumption that Godolkin being held as a hostage in the hyperbaric chamber would make him want revenge against Cipher. Yes, we as the audience knew that Cipher=Godolkin, but none of the characters had any reason to believe that after Stan Edgar said their ideologies differed:
Stand Edgar: Where they differed, Godolkin believed that he could control Supes, while Cipher, no such thing.
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From the aforementioned (being trapped in a hyperbaric chamber) standpoint, they thought Godolkin's body was being controlled, not that Cipher was actually Godolkin.

Also, Marie in Ep 7 responded this way under the possibility of healing Godolkin:
Godolkin might be even more dangerous.

Marie: I don’t think we have a choice.
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Most of this is hinging on Marie's hope of taking down Homelander, who she 100% despises more than Cate. Yeah, Cate betrayed her in Season 1, but Homelander is the whole reason the following happened:
1. Getting put in Elmira.
2. Andre dying (Homelander has indirect cause, but still his fault)
3. Being chased by Supes for months after escaping Elmira.
4. The whole Supe Supremacy stuff being pushed. Also, the dude's a monster, and she seemed to understand Shetty's motivation in Season 1 for wanting all Supes dead.
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Lastly, her sister being there, the whole "your destined to become the strongest Supe" stuff and the fear that it brings is lowkey messing up her judgment, BIG time.
 
Naeem0304 said:
It's because she still blamed Cate for Andre's death. That's why Polarity telling Marie to stop chastising Cate over it was significant, because that's Andre's father telling Marie it wasn't Cate's fault, but himself.

Marie choosing to heal Godolkin is because she was confident that he could stop Homelander. Plus, she was under the assumption that Godolkin being held as a hostage in the hyperbaric chamber would make him want revenge against Cipher. Yes, we as the audience knew that Cipher=Godolkin, but none of the characters had any reason to believe that after Stan Edgar said their ideologies differed:

From the aforementioned (being trapped in a hyperbaric chamber) standpoint, they thought Godolkin's body was being controlled, not that Cipher was actually Godolkin.

Also, Marie in Ep 7 responded this way under the possibility of healing Godolkin:

Most of this is hinging on Marie's hope of taking down Homelander, who she 100% despises more than Cate. Yeah, Cate betrayed her in Season 1, but Homelander is the whole reason the following happened:
1. Getting put in Elmira.
2. Andre dying (Homelander has indirect cause, but still his fault)
3. Being chased by Supes for months after escaping Elmira.
4. The whole Supe Supremacy stuff being pushed. Also, the dude's a monster, and she seemed to understand Shetty's motivation in Season 1 for wanting all Supes dead.
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Lastly, her sister being there, the whole "your destined to become the strongest Supe" stuff and the fear that it brings is lowkey messing up her judgment, BIG time.
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yea ur so right 🩷 literally forget what i just said abt her being weird for that but anyways like i’m scsred theyre gonna do marie dirty in the finale

bc rlly i just need marie to lock in when she wakes up & run her fade with evil spongebob after theyre gonna tell her he’s cipher

and hear me out bc i actually feel like this whole marie plot is kinda like a parallel to cate’s situation in s1 too if u think abt it

cate’s situation is obviously worse tho but like from what i’m seeing is that they’re both getting their egos fed into thinking that they’re doing the right thing n whatever but then that leads to ppl at their school getting killed again like do u see the vision
 
FentyBeauty said:
yea ur so right 🩷 literally forget what i just said abt her being weird for that but anyways like i’m scsred theyre gonna do marie dirty in the finale

bc rlly i just need marie to lock in when she wakes up & run her fade with evil spongebob after theyre gonna tell her he’s cipher

and hear me out bc i actually feel like this whole marie plot is kinda like a parallel to cate’s situation in s1 too if u think abt it

cate’s situation is obviously worse tho but like from what i’m seeing is that they’re both getting their egos fed into thinking that they’re doing the right thing n whatever but then that leads to ppl at their school getting killed again like do u see the vision
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It's exactly a Cate parallel, bravo on that pickup . And yes, I hope our girl runs some good fades.

With Marie, it'll have bigger ramifications because her powers are now god-tier; being able to resurrect people, controlling blood cells, entire biologies, and she's still not at her peak.

The vision is interesting though. What do I think it'll entail? I can't say, but I'll note what's present:

1. Godolkin definitely wants Marie alive (and to be frank, he was trying to create a 'Marie' during Project Odessa, so killing her is just a waste of resources and time). He only cares about killing weaker Supes. This also stems from earlier in the season where he said that an uprising from humanity would cause Supes to be '******', so killing 75% of the school and global Supes is maintaining the literal definition of social darwinism.

The most intriguing part isn't just the vision, but the why. If Godolkin lessening the Supe population to purely contain the strongest somehow gives them a chance against humanity, where is the bridge to support it? It's 100% Marie, but what part is she playing in that? Killing weaker Supes and reviving them back doesn't make any sense, so there's definitely something else.

All imma say is... Sage is definitely cooking with this plan, cuz even I'm not sure lol
 
FentyBeauty said:
yea ur so right 🩷 literally forget what i just said abt her being weird for that but anyways like i’m scsred theyre gonna do marie dirty in the finale

bc rlly i just need marie to lock in when she wakes up & run her fade with evil spongebob after theyre gonna tell her he’s cipher

and hear me out bc i actually feel like this whole marie plot is kinda like a parallel to cate’s situation in s1 too if u think abt it

cate’s situation is obviously worse tho but like from what i’m seeing is that they’re both getting their egos fed into thinking that they’re doing the right thing n whatever but then that leads to ppl at their school getting killed again like do u see the vision
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No way you called Godolkin an evil spongebob😭
 
Kaydee.X said:
No way you called Godolkin an evil spongebob😭
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he litsrally is like im not even joking 😭
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Spinoirr said:
Honestly I think all supes should either Reactive Evolution or Reactive Power Level at this point via the fact all Supes can "Level Up" via training and enough stress

Annie and Mave is proof of this, and now we have Gen V Season 2 as proof of this
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Cipher says that Andre's death was the result of him pushing to his full potential and also Polarity managed to resist and then use his powers to break out of mind control, so we do have examples of other supes unlocking potential.
I would still only give a "Likely" to those that haven't show it yet though.
 
Do y’all think stan edgar knew that godolkn was cypher?
i just know that gustavo fring is plotting something
 
Kaydee.X said:
Do y’all think stan edgar knew that godolkn was cypher?
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Probably thought about it at one point, at least the fact that Godolkin survived, but he disappeared completely for quite a long time Cipher was only there recently (10-20 years) and there was literally no information about him. I doubt.
 
  • Godolkin took "V-One", which is the variant of compound V that Stormfront and Soldier Boy took. According to Doug, it on quote "so he-he doesn't age". Immortality Type 1 for Stormfront, Soldier Boy and Godolkin is confirmed
  • Doug said "I'm the first puppet. The second one is dead". So Godolkin would have confirmed Body Puppetry
  • Marie is immune to Godolkin's abilities because of her strength. Given how she's considered either on Homelander's potential level or even greater than the two should have immunity. According to Doug, "Odessa really did put you on a new level". This should qualify as a limited resistance.
  • Godolkin enhanced his powers and can now control up to 10+ people at once. Later, he reaffirms wanting control over Marie so that he can do the same to Homelander. This once again should provide Homelander with a limited resistance to body puppetry.
  • Godolkin manages to control Marie after enhancing his powers. I think a majority of Supes should qualify for Accelerated Development; Marie isn't the only one who has it.
 
Naeem0304 said:
  • Godolkin took "V-One", which is the variant of compound V that Stormfront and Soldier Boy took. According to Doug, it on quote "so he-he doesn't age". Immortality Type 1 for Stormfront, Soldier Boy and Godolkin is confirmed
  • Doug said "I'm the first puppet. The second one is dead". So Godolkin would have confirmed Body Puppetry
  • Marie is immune to Godolkin's abilities because of her strength. Given how she's considered either on Homelander's potential level or even greater than the two should have immunity. According to Doug, "Odessa really did put you on a new level". This should qualify as a limited resistance.
  • Godolkin enhanced his powers and can now control up to 10+ people at once. Later, he reaffirms wanting control over Marie so that he can do the same to Homelander. This once again should provide Homelander with a limited resistance to body puppetry.
  • Godolkin manages to control Marie after enhancing his powers. I think a majority of Supes should qualify for Accelerated Development; Marie isn't the only one who has it.
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You are taking "puppet" to literal. Godolkin's power are Possession, specifically Mental Possession.
And it's not accelerated development, it's Reactive Evolution (the trigger being pressure).
And I think Marie's and Homelander's resistance shouldn't be limited. Godolkin straight up failed to control Marie even though he could already control two people. And he needed to upgrade his ability to do it. I think Godolkin "level-up" and got Layered Possession.
 
For future Gen V seasons, since they are sort of confirmed, I wish they took more inspiration from their comic origins and brought in more G-men.
We already have Godolkin for Professor X and now that he is gone, in the comics it is usually Cyclops who takes over as leader when the Professor is dead or gone. In the Boys comics, that's Five-Oh.

There's also Groundhawk (Wolverine) and Nubia (Storm) who we already saw in Diabolical.
The Divine who I guess is gay Jean Grey and Silver Kincaid (Emma) who was already teased in the main show.
Cod-snap (Ice man) + more.

Given Gen V is more about the younger generation, a lot of these older X-men like heroes could be like professors/teachers or something. I actually do wish the show did this from the beginning.
 
I have a question! In The Boys, why are the Supes so sinful? Since they are Superheroes, shouldn't they be able to tell from what is right and wrong? This question is coming from a Catholic's perspective by the way.
 
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The boys depicts the reality of how absolute power can corrupt an individual. They’re no consequences for their actions and got almost all, if not all, of their shit covered by vought. having powers doesn’t make someone wiser, kinder, or more ethical. It just amplifies who they already are. So when you give an egotistical or damaged person superhuman strength, they become even more dangerous and morally warped. the Seven kinda reflects how fame and media distort morality.

They do awful things, yet the public adores them because of how Vought spins their image, which is like extremely similar to how real world celebrities or powerful figures can get away with scandals. it’s a critique of how society excuses wrongdoing when it’s done by someone “famous” or “beloved. It’s also to note that people like homelander was badly raised in harsh conditions and that could have have created an emotional void that leads to narcissism, insecurity and cruelty. People are just not as they seem, and the boys perfectly conveys that (politically too).
 
MichaelCalistro said:
I have a question! In The Boys, why are the Supes so sinful? Since they are Superheroes, shouldn't they be able to tell from what is right and wrong? This question is coming from a Catholic's perspective by the way.
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Superhumans are not born with any higher level of morality than non-superhumans. Take someone like Clark Kent. If he'd been raised on Krypton, he'd be... it depends on the continuity, but definitely a worse dude. His parents were what made him a good guy. With this in mind, imagine someone who has had a worse upbringing, suffered more financial hardship while growing up, or has negative influences currently acting on them, all in a culture that promotes superhumans as both a celebrity class and a superior race.

It's also important to remember that a lot of people KNOW what's wrong and do it anyway, and the concept of "sin" will vary culture-to-culture.
 
Kaydee.X said:
The boys depicts the reality of how absolute power can corrupt an individual. They’re no consequences for their actions and got almost all, if not all, of their shit covered by vought. having powers doesn’t make someone wiser, kinder, or more ethical. It just amplifies who they already are. So when you give an egotistical or damaged person superhuman strength, they become even more dangerous and morally warped. the Seven kinda reflects how fame and media distort morality.

They do awful things, yet the public adores them because of how Vought spins their image, which is like extremely similar to how real world celebrities or powerful figures can get away with scandals. it’s a critique of how society excuses wrongdoing when it’s done by someone “famous” or “beloved. It’s also to note that people like homelander was badly raised in harsh conditions and that could have have created an emotional void that leads to narcissism, insecurity and cruelty. People are just not as they seem, and the boys perfectly conveys that (politically too).
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I mean Butcher said taking temp V just made him more him, it's more about how the Supes were raised by parents who basically sold their kids off to a corporation for money

So there's that too
 
Spinoirr said:
I mean Butcher said taking temp V just made him more him, it's more about how the Supes were raised by parents who basically sold their kids off to a corporation for money

So there's that too
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Well i’m not generalizing all supes
There’s still maeve, starlight, and the gen v casts who turned out just fine
 
Naeem0304 said:
hdhdhsh
  • Godolkin enhanced his powers and can now control up to 10+ people at once. Later, he reaffirms wanting control over Marie so that he can do the same to Homelander. This once again should provide Homelander with a limited resistance to body puppetry.
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not related to the scalinf or the abilities stuff u guys were discussing abt

but omg the part when he was making them all dance n the way their faces were bloodied gave me the ick like idk if its just me but i was so weirded out 😭 it gave me the same creepy vibes from that one avatar the last airbender episode w the bloodbender lady like the way she was twitching katara’s body around n also tryna make sokka and aang attack each other like do yk what i’m talking abtt

n theres sister sage always getting her plans f’d up by a weirdo too like idk how she didn’t expect godolkin to get freaky w homelander or like powerful supes in general when she was working with him

him making that smoothie with peanut butter chicken n milk when he was possessing cipher DOUGshould’ve been a red flag for them like actually
 
FentyBeauty said:
not related to the scalinf or the abilities stuff u guys were discussing abt

but omg the part when he was making them all dance n the way their faces were bloodied gave me the ick like idk if its just me but i was so weirded out 😭 it gave me the same creepy vibes from that one avatar the last airbender episode w the bloodbender lady like the way she was twitching katara’s body around n also tryna make sokka and aang attack each other like do yk what i’m talking abtt

n theres sister sage always getting her plans f’d up by a weirdo too like idk how she didn’t expect godolkin to get freaky w homelander or like powerful supes in general when she was working with him

him making that smoothie with peanut butter chicken n milk when he was possessing cipher DOUGshould’ve been a red flag for them like actually
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  • ONG! I know which one you're talking about; that whole scene was gnarly (and Avatar is PEAK FICTION). Godolkin was getting a mad kick out of his newer potential, he was getting way too far ahead with himself. A whole bloody puppet show. It's almost like he turned Sam's puppet hallucinations into reality
  • The reason why Sage f'd this one up is because she didn't have to self-lobotomize herself to actually love someone. Remember in The Boys Season 4 when she'd use that pick to damage her brain, so that she could be in love with the Deep and Noir? It's like that, but Godolkin was a genius, so she could love him without making herself dumb. The issue with Godolkin is that he got way too in his head, and tried to take matters into his own hands. Sage lowkey cooked tho with Noir capturing Polarity, and he was just allowed to leave lmao 😂
  • I know RIGHT?! They prolly had thoughts that Cipher and Godolkin were the same person, but Stan Edgar kinda made them think otherwise with the idea.
  • RIP DOUG THOUGH😭 Dude couldn't be free for one second without getting gutted. I hope new Noir dies horribly in Season 5 of The Boys
 
Naeem0304 said:
(and Avatar is PEAK FICTION).
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Naeem0304 said:
The reason why Sage f'd this one up is because she didn't have to self-lobotomize herself to actually love someone. Remember in The Boys Season 4 when she'd use that pick to damage her brain, so that she could be in love with the Deep and Noir? It's like that, but Godolkin was a genius, so she could love him without making herself dumb. The issue with Godolkin is that he got way too in his head, and tried to take matters into his own hands. Sage lowkey cooked tho with Noir capturing Polarity, and he was just allowed to leave lmao 😂
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godolkin had to go anyway he was too freakyy no kidding 😣

Naeem0304 said:
RIP DOUG THOUGH😭 Dude couldn't be free for one second without getting gutted. I hope new Noir dies horribly in Season 5 of The Boys
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i lowkey miss him omg

at least doug had a chance to farm aura for a bit when godolkin was taking over him i guess! 😭 ur so real on new noir tho he’s been getting on my nerves too

bc yk what like they needa pull an incredibles in the final season n have him get shredded by an airplane when he’s flying like idrc abt him anymore either
 
but anyways i’m like wondering how it’s gonna be in s5 with kimiko n frenchie & sam n cate now that they’re with starlight

kimiko needs her lick back so bad after both of them were doing her dirty like it’s gonna be on sight
 
It's still up in the air on if anyone else will scale to this. Unless we see evidence of any characters fighting A-Train while he's moving fast or reacting to his speed then this buff might be limited to just him.
 
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