Wuthering Waves Discussion Thread

[EldemadeDityjon]

Skirk vs Cartethyia (Genshin Impact vs Wuthering Waves) | 2-7-0

Prob not a good idea, but I was told this could work in discord. Skirk is 6-B, anything else is SBA Skirk: @Furina003, @Sahlwrld Cartethyia: @IStar0thh, @AlipheeseXIV, @Kisaragi_Megumi, @MatterNerd,@AthelChan, @Chronster, @PedjaTarzan Incon:

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Her Transformation and base should be put under same key I don't know why it's divided into seperate keys. I mean if it's due to 2.2 Quest then just create 3 different keys. That transformation should be a part of her atleast one of her keys.

Base | Fleurdelys | Blessed Maiden or Whatever

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Her Transformation and base should be put under same key I don't know why it's divided into separate keys. I mean if it's due to 2.2 Quest then just create 3 different keys. That transformation should be a part of her at least one of her keys.

Its 2 different keys because they are 2 separate forms with a major power boost and some actual different abilities and stuff.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Its 2 different keys because they are 2 separate forms with a major power boost and some actual different abilities and stuff.

Correct me tho, but wasn't Cart can transform into Fleur anytime she want in the fight

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Its 2 different keys because they are 2 separate forms with a major power boost and some actual different abilities and stuff.

She can transform to Fleurdelys. Like I said after 2.2 quest she can do that so one of the keys should have that.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Correct me tho, but wasn't Cart can transform into Fleur anytime she want in the fight

Yeah she can do that in 2.4 Quest
Currently she might have lost the form from what I understand. So atleast one of the keys should have her full power set.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

She can transform to Fleurdelys. Like I said after 2.2 quest she can do that so one of the keys should have that.

But they do?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Correct me tho, but wasn't Cart can transform into Fleur anytime she want in the fight

What does that have to do with it being different keys? Goku can transform into a SSG anytime he wants and it's still under 2 separate keys.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

But they do?

What does that have to do with it being different keys? Goku can transform into a SSG anytime he wants and it's still under 2 separate keys.

Idk about Goku but you can definitely see Bleach and Naruto profiles which are better indexed. Transformations powerups are placed under same key. If they can use in a fight they can put under same key.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Idk about Goku but you can definitely see Bleach and Naruto profiles which are better indexed. Transformations powerups are placed under same key. If they can use they can put under same key.

Hm, I think I better understand what you mean now. I don't see any difference between how they do it, and how its done outside of how it is presented visually honestly. But sure, I can change it to resemble that.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

What does that have to do with it being different keys? Goku can transform into a SSG anytime he wants and it's still under 2 separate keys.

The keys he has is mostly from the arc he's in tho

Idk about Goku but you can definitely see Bleach and Naruto profiles which are better indexed. Transformations powerups are placed under same key. If they can use in a fight they can put under same key.

Another thing I can add the Kamen Rider forms, they are placed under the same key too like this one for example

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

The keys he has is mostly from the arc he's in tho

I mean yeah, but it doesn't change the fact they are under 2 separate keys. The difference is DB is longer than Wuwa so while there is a difference in arcs for them, outside of Rover primarily there is none in Wuwa.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hm, I think I better understand what you mean now. I don't see any difference between how they do it, and how its done outside of how it is presented visually honestly. But sure, I can change it to resemble that.

Actually I'm fine with Carthetiya and Fleurdelys seperate key since 2.2 quest both are seperate
But 2.4 she has control over her transformation. We do put keys for transformative which users can use willfully.
So just make a 3 keys I guess?

Regarding AP justification
You can explain for base like X rating (same as before), higher with Fleurdelys (explain why Fleurdelys is stronger than her base version)

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Actually I'm fine with Carthetiya and Fleurdelys seperate key since 2.2 quest both are seperate
But 2.4 she has control over her transformation. We do put keys for transformative which users can use willfully.
So just make a 3 keys I guess?

Regarding AP justification
You can explain for base like X rating (same as before), higher with Fleurdelys (explain why Fleurdelys is stronger than her base version)

Kinda redundant though honestly, there really isn't that much of a reason to split 2.2 & 2.4 into 2 different keys other than to separate the 2 entirely.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Idk about Goku but you can definitely see Bleach and Naruto profiles which are better indexed. Transformations powerups are placed under same key. If they can use in a fight they can put under same key.

Also the reason their formatting there worked was because those characters have virtually no resistances.

 

[Arkenis]

Any good match https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alita_(Last_Order) could have here

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Can rover feat of splitting a black hole in black shores be used as a scale Ap?
Referred to as "black holes" in ancient astronomy and here it is stated that gravity can bend space-time

 

[IStar0thh]

Can rover feat of splitting a black hole in black shores be used as a scale Ap?
Referred to as "black holes" in ancient astronomy and here it is stated that gravity can bend space-time

I mentioned this earlier, but it seems like it’s going to be hard to get through. The wiki tends to be pretty skeptical about black holes — even when something behaves exactly like one.

 

[IStar0thh]

I mentioned this earlier, but it seems like it’s going to be hard to get through. The wiki tends to be pretty skeptical about black holes — even when something behaves exactly like one.

Also, Alipheese seems to be working on Tier 2 for Jue now. The CRT is already done — we’re just waiting for the moderators’ evaluation.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

I mentioned this earlier, but it seems like it’s going to be hard to get through. The wiki tends to be pretty skeptical about black holes — even when something behaves exactly like one.

It should be possible (?) because if it bends space-time like Einstein's theory of relativity, it can be categorized as a black hole.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Also, Alipheese seems to be working on Tier 2 for Jue now. The CRT is already done — we’re just waiting for the moderators’ evaluation.

I'm waiting for this

 

[IStar0thh]

It should be possible (?) because if it bends space-time like Einstein's theory of relativity, it can be categorized as a black hole.

It should be. But as I mentioned, the wiki tends to be pretty skeptical about black hole-related feats. Maybe you could get some clearer feedback in the Q&A section — though yeah, I wouldn’t expect an easy consensus.

 

[Shiraito983]

I mentioned this earlier, but it seems like it’s going to be hard to get through. The wiki tends to be pretty skeptical about black holes — even when something behaves exactly like one.

if you had enough justification like this, it prob ok

Enma Black Hole Frenzy

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[IStar0thh]

if you had enough justification like this, it prob ok

Enma Black Hole Frenzy

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Well, the only information we have aside from it distorting space-time is this:

A type of Stellar Matrix. Inside the Tethys System, a celestial body called Necrostar swallows the faulty data in its wake, a black hole where forsaken Matrices find their end

Here he says it is a celestial body and also calls it a black hole.

Even the newfound science of Tacetite could not provide explanations for its fundamental nature, as all are subject to the gravity within it.

The Necrostar marks the beginning and the end of destruction. It also holds the key to salvation...

Or perhaps, merely a lie

It says here that everything is subject to gravity within it.

Also, When Shorekeeper was pulled into the Necrostar, scientists stated that she was in an infinite process of "falling." That would essentially be what happens in the case of black holes, ig?

Well, I don't have enough knowledge to debate about this.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

if you had enough justification like this, it prob ok

Enma Black Hole Frenzy

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We have enough proof but what I'm not sure is it's a data not literal. So don't know if we can use that. Though it had some level influence on reality.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Can rover feat of splitting a black hole in black shores be used as a scale Ap?
Referred to as "black holes" in ancient astronomy and here it is stated that gravity can bend space-time

you cannot destroy black holes physically at all unless ur somehow breaking entire logic with scaling then it would be high 3-A
Otherwise this is spacetime hax used

 

[IStar0thh]

you cannot destroy black holes physically at all unless ur somehow breaking entire logic with scaling then it would be high 3-A
Otherwise this is spacetime hax used

I don't know if you've seen the scene or if you're familiar with the topic, but I'd like your opinion. I'll drop the link here — check it at 0:50.
For context: he's using his Havoc Form, which has the annihilation attribute.
What exactly would that be? A hax ability, maybe?
Also, does him entering the supposed black hole count as an anti-feat?
Rover save Shorekeeper 0:50

 

[Bsk_lyree]

you cannot destroy black holes physically at all unless ur somehow breaking entire logic with scaling then it would be high 3-A
Otherwise this is spacetime hax used

Damage black holes isn't 4C?

 

[Arkenis]

Damage black holes isn't 4C?

Nah. That's just gravity or space hax usually.

Also guys, I see basically every 6b isn't listed as 6b+, the Jiyan calc is 6b+. Is that just outdated?

 

[IStar0thh]

Nah. That's just gravity or space hax usually.

Also guys, I see basically every 6b isn't listed as 6b+, the Jiyan calc is 6b+. Is that just outdated?

Wait- 6b+?

 

[Arkenis]

Wait- 6b+?

Yeah the calcs 86 teratons.

Example: Average of Large Building level is: [2 Tons (low end) + 11 tons (high end)]/2 = 6.5 Tons (the arithmetic mean). All energy levels from 2 Tons to 6.5 Tons should be listed as Large Building level, whereas all energy levels from 6.5 Tons to 11 Tons should be listed as Large Building level+.

7+11=77/2 = 38. You guys could even argue for H6B if someone one shot someone who scales to the 86 teratons I believe. I'd say someone like Cantarella could be fine?

 

[IStar0thh]

Yeah the calcs 86 teratons.

Example: Average of Large Building level is: [2 Tons (low end) + 11 tons (high end)]/2 = 6.5 Tons (the arithmetic mean). All energy levels from 2 Tons to 6.5 Tons should be listed as Large Building level, whereas all energy levels from 6.5 Tons to 11 Tons should be listed as Large Building level+.

7+11=77/2 = 38. You guys could even argue for H6B if someone one shot someone who scales to the 86 teratons I believe. I'd say someone like Cantarella could be fine?

Cantarella? Why?

 

[Arkenis]

Cantarella? Why?

oh i just read her ap section sounds like she's strong

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Nah. That's just gravity or space hax usually.

The problem is, if you follow Einstein's theory of relativity, black holes can bend space-time, so they definitely have an event horizon, and necrostars are said to be able to bend space-time. I don't really know whether VSB uses the theory of relativity or not.

 

[Arkenis]

The problem is, if you follow Einstein's theory of relativity, black holes can bend space-time, so they definitely have an event horizon, and necrostars are said to be able to bend space-time. I don't really know whether VSB uses the theory of relativity or not.

Why's this a problem?

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Why's this a problem?

Uh ignore that, I made a translation from my native language to English

 

[Arkenis]

Uh ignore that, I made a translation from my native language to English

What do you speak?

 

[Shiraito983]

well if we cant use it literal, i think he should be at least resistance to the gravity manipulation

 

[IStar0thh]

Do we currently have enough information about the Prime Rover to justify creating a separate key for him once the Rover profile is ready?

 

[IStar0thh]

well if we cant use it literal, i think he should be at least resistance to the gravity manipulation

Yeh, i agree.

 

[Shiraito983]

Do we currently have enough information about the Prime Rover to justify creating a separate key for him once the Rover profile is ready?

hes one tapping Threnodian

bro is too op