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That's Hyper Tails as of Sonic Origins
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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BlastX
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1)Super Tails (as in the one from the Origins version) was actually in a Sonic 3 Prototype which was cut for reasons so from the beginning they inteded the Super form to be like that.
2)I mean aside from the enhanced stats none of the Super Forms have any special abilities that differentiate them from their base form, even Super Sonic aside from the enhanced speed and invincibility wasn't that different from the other Super Forms aside form having a different design, Super Tails only has the flicky army of death because he's obtained with the Super Emeralds and every form obtained by those in the game has an special ability.
3)It's a bit disingenuous to latch on to that and not my point that none of the Non-Sonic Super Forms has a different design and just glows (hell even Super Tails himself from S3&K doesn't actually change his design aside from glowing, the flickies aren't a part of him) which was my main point.
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My initial point remains correct.
I feel like you getting pressed (not the first time you "corrected" my opinions) so I'm not gonna respond to anymore of your comments, to keep the peace.
TheStinkeer
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Actually found smth interesting, at page 274 it appears SEGA may have been supervising the book
"監修
株式会社セガ"
So yknow possibly more valid
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Sonic Rumble News.
Also, SR is canonically a game recreation of Sonic’s world Eggman made for fun, which implies he somehow learned of all kinds of wacky stuff off-screen. Not relevant for any powerscaling, but neat.
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Is this from the Test Run Maze issues?There's no escaping theMadMatrix
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Still weird that this has an Infinite reference, even though he's off-limits.There's no escaping theMadMatrix
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Maybe it wasn't noticed? That's my best guess.
TheStinkeer
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ngl I like the cover on the right, It's a lot more creative with the chat, the health bars, the "SUBSCRIBE TO THE EGGMAN EMPIRE" and Sonic looks more in-character with his dumb ass being annoyed rather than looking scared on the left cover. Plus I like the style a lot and Amy looks PISSED I love itThere's no escaping theMadMatrix
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Supervision is just something that always happen, it would be strange if there was no supervision
I mean, following up from the general discussion you all were having, it seems there are two extremes of "everything released is valid" and "only things that were done directly by SEGA/Sonic Team are valid", and that just isn't how development works.
SEGA will hire freelancers to do stuff for them, or license stuff that needs to follow licensing guidelines. Sometimes things end up not being caught in supervision and unreliable stuff gets released, but this isn't to mean that nothing done without direct involvement from SEGA can't be used, it only means that we need to take caution when using something.
Sometimes this feels like when Dragon Ball fans say the only DBS canon are Toriyama's notes and neither DBS manga or anime are canon due to that, this is just how work happens when it's not done by a single person.
Honestly, no different from fans that go with "Sonic Frontier's dialogue isn't canon because that was written by Ian, the only canon is Sonic Team's notes on the game".
This goes from the other side as well, Ian had a ton of work that has made its way in official material while he was working as a freelancer. Like, he wasn't a member of Sonic Team when he did the Sonic and the Secret Rings comic that was added with the game.
The truth is, franchise development is complicated stuff and there are a lot of branches and licensing stuff, we just need to have nuance while deciding what to use and try to find the most reasonable outcome, while accepting there are no absolutes.
TheStinkeer
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hmmm fair viewpoint
TheStinkeer
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Also can someone tell me why there's so much Sonic downplay popping up on youtube now??? Literally found this one pop up on the home page that's saying Super Sonic is weaker than Infinite 
A couple other things also bothered me cause it says "after failing to break through his armor" when we literally see them in-game break the armor which iirc is never stated to be a weak point, it also uses the Generations manual of vulnerabilities but can't Super Sonic dash through the homing shots and not flinch when hit? It also uses Tails line of The End attacking the island to say that The End was equal to Dark Gaia when the same line literally says "easy." It also argues characters part of the Generations "timeline split" somehow got weaker??? The only thing I understood was the whole space-time interception thing and maybe the Infinite virtual reality things.
A couple other things also bothered me cause it says "after failing to break through his armor" when we literally see them in-game break the armor which iirc is never stated to be a weak point, it also uses the Generations manual of vulnerabilities but can't Super Sonic dash through the homing shots and not flinch when hit? It also uses Tails line of The End attacking the island to say that The End was equal to Dark Gaia when the same line literally says "easy." It also argues characters part of the Generations "timeline split" somehow got weaker??? The only thing I understood was the whole space-time interception thing and maybe the Infinite virtual reality things.
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Also can someone tell me why there's so much Sonic downplay popping up on youtube now??? Literally found this one pop up on the home page that's saying Super Sonic is weaker than Infinite
A couple other things also bothered me cause it says "after failing to break through his armor" when we literally see them in-game break the armor which iirc is never stated to be a weak point, it also uses the Generations manual of vulnerabilities but can't Super Sonic dash through the homing shots and not flinch when hit? It also uses Tails line of The End attacking the island to say that The End was equal to Dark Gaia when the same line literally says "easy." It also argues characters part of the Generations "timeline split" somehow got weaker??? The only thing I understood was the whole space-time interception thing and maybe the Infinite virtual reality things.
Cuz people have an agenda they wanna push and don't like seeing the franchise succeed, so they elect to detract.
TheStinkeer
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Funnily enough despite all that they even had to admit Sonic and Blaze against Egg Salamander was at bare minimum barely Low Multi so small W
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It's funny how using their own logic, arguments break apart so quick.
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It's pretty much the same pattern, after the massive dopamine hit from a major core release (Sonic movie 3, SXSG and so on), the detractors come out the woodworks during duller times even tho Crossworlds is doing the rounds rn.
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Also can someone tell me why there's so much Sonic downplay popping up on youtube now??? Literally found this one pop up on the home page that's saying Super Sonic is weaker than Infinite
A couple other things also bothered me cause it says "after failing to break through his armor" when we literally see them in-game break the armor which iirc is never stated to be a weak point, it also uses the Generations manual of vulnerabilities but can't Super Sonic dash through the homing shots and not flinch when hit? It also uses Tails line of The End attacking the island to say that The End was equal to Dark Gaia when the same line literally says "easy." It also argues characters part of the Generations "timeline split" somehow got weaker??? The only thing I understood was the whole space-time interception thing and maybe the Infinite virtual reality things.
Weird how "armor" is a weak point huh?
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With the most dumb takes imaginable and complete misinterpretation of the scaling or certain dialogue/statement, either intentional or unintentional. If you think about it for, like, ONE second, a normal Joe Schmoe could see it.
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tbf they weren't saying the armor specifically was a weak point as they were pointing to the core, but they certainly forgot the armor was there, being broken, said armor being on the Solaris that would engulf all timelines and can take its own hits from the weird meteor things that deal the same damage as its own lasers. On the topic of Solaris I think even people who bring up the space-time interception (which is valid to bring up) also need to realize it can't mean that all Solaris became one and immeasurable speed can't be obtained, the lore demands that there is a past, present, and future in the space-time interception as much as it does not make sense
I think there's some fair things but yeah some debunks sometime presents their own interpretation as fact and anyone who doesn't interpret it the same is just misinterpreting it. Like don't get me wrong, there's def objectively wrong interpretations out there. But if you can reasonably back it up with evidence then it's not exactly objectively wrong.
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I don't think we have a rating. Although Sonic was unable to heal a broken ankle in the IDW comics so his healing/regeneration can't be higher than mid-low on the regeneration page.I was just curious if anyone knew, but do we have a rating on Sonic's Healing with Sonic Heal? It describes "he can heal at supersonic speed from any damage he may have taken," but I assumed that's not to be taken literally.
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what do you mean unable?he pretty much healed that broken ankle faster than what he could have healed normally
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What I mean is he didn't Deadpool that ankle away he still had it for a decent bit of time going from (if I remember correctly) the Eggperial City escape right after issue 50, to Surges rampage to Scrapnik Island. That isn't that much time at all by the standards of healing a broken bone but still that certainly isn't any level of mid tier as far as regeneration is concerned.
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By the way this isn't relevant to anything but I want to know if it isn't just me. Am I insane or does base Shadow unironically have better on screen strength showings than base Knuckles after Shadow Generations and Dark Beginnings? For that matter what on screen strength feats does Knuckles even have in canon because now that I think about it I cannot remember a single standout showing from Knuckles in the games or the IDW comics which is weird because I would expect Knuckles to have one or two on screen "wow feats" as the mountain to Sonic's wind like tossing a robot into space, or knocking a building sized mech over with a single punch or even just catching a spin dash with his bare hands like he's done in Sonic X or the Movies but I cant think of anything like those from him in canon.
Simplified Question: Has Knuckles been done dirty with the portrayal of his strength or am I just insane?
Simplified Question: Has Knuckles been done dirty with the portrayal of his strength or am I just insane?
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Yes he has but that's par for the course for a franchise that still hasn't found a consistent way to include Knuckles in its games without him neglecting his role as guardian and/or endangering the Master Emerald after decades.
Say what you will about Archie but at least having the Chaotix and the Brotherhood around to help Knuckles with guardian duties was a clean way to not plot lock him to Angel Island (until Ken couldn't control himself).
It doesn't help for some reason Knuckles seems weaker in the modern era (post-Adventure era) than he was in the classics.
Still Knuckles causally tossing around kaiju sized robot in X is my favourite depiction of Knuckles' strength in any continuity.
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He isn't the protagonist nor as marketable as Shadow, so sadly yes.
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That's really not an excuse at all lol
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Ya I've felt that too.
And the weird thing is that Knuckles objectively isn't weaker than he was in the classic games but his showings are so tame that even classic Knuckles just being able to run straight through stone formations in gameplay somehow feels more impressive. Albeit maybe part of that is just "powerscaler brain syndrome" because I remember how crazy people went seeing Knuckles punch hard enough to make small shockwaves in the Divergence animation for Frontiers but to me that fight and even Knuckles punching off that small section of a cliff just felt so...
"Eh" as strength showings. Although I didn't feel that way about Shadow Generations or Dark Beginnings, I still remember how cool it felt to see Shadow punt that enormous canon thing on the Space Colony Arc or toss an Egg Pawn so hard it made a sonic boom and got launched into a tower so I don't know about it being power scaler brain syndrome.
For what it's worth Knuckles being able to punch so fast he makes explosions in Sonic Battle and Sonic Frontiers is pretty cool but that's all I can really say.
I don't remember that one but I do remember Knuckles catching Shadow during a spin dash with his bare hands in Sonic X so that's a take I agree with. If only the Divergence animation had Knuckles do that to Asura that would have been insane before only losing because Sage pulls some kind of sneak attack but unfortunately he got offscreened.
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I replied to one of the comments under the video talking abt what I found off abt it, and ended up getting some responses in the comments from the creator and they just had some absolutely lovely things to say
this powerscaling stuff gets serious damn
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Zombot Shadow going blow for blow with Knuckles
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Knuckles punched a small cliff in Frontiers prologue animation didnt he?
Thats all youll get.
Thats all youll get.
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It was in episode 48 (Volcanic Venture) he tossed around that giant bot by the tail (this).
Also for the some reason the X dub watered down Knux's moments, they cut out the part he removed Shadow's inhibitor rings as well as him trying to save Yellow Zelkova from falling into lava (this one is especially bad, since it makes Knux lowkey a psycho just standing there watching his opponent fall to his death and not reacting to Yellow Zelkova's true form), but that's 4kids for ya and the fandom has already beaten that horse beyond the concept of death so I won't drag on it any longer.
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People are super serious for nothing bro LOL.
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Bro even made live streams saying "SONIC FANS WELCOME TO YOUR DOOM"
anyways srry for dragging this out, I'll stop here lol
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Man I forgot about that...Zombot Shadow going blow for blow with Knuckles
A brain-dead Shadow zombie who can't even outrun a truck anymore can match Knuckles in a fist fight.
Nah this can't stand we need a year of Knuckles to put respect back on his name and give him some impressive on screen strength feats ASAP, because that's just sad.
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It should have been Infected-but-resisting Shadow vs Zombot KnucklesMan I forgot about that...
A brain-dead Shadow zombie who can't even outrun a truck anymore can match Knuckles in a fist fight.
Nah this can't stand we need a year of Knuckles to put respect back on his name and give him some impressive on screen strength feats ASAP, because that's just sad.
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