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Wuthering Waves Discussion Thread

IStar0thh said:
Also, I’m not sure how helpful this is, but during the fight, most of the cast didn’t seem capable of dealing any significant damage to Leviathan, aside from Rover, Galbrena, and Cartethyia. If I’m not mistaken, the only time Leviathan was actually injured was when Rover attacked. So even though Roccia, Brant, and the others could keep up with the fight, there was still a clear difference.
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That doesn't change the fact that we know the characters scale above a casual Jiyan attack, also it's not that they didn't do damage because Imperator's durability was too high or something and she no sold the attack she just...literally blocked most their attacks except for Rover's. If I used your logic, in that same fight she took countless attacks from Rover with zero damage as well. So I guess Rover doesn't scale?
EldemadeDityjon said:
Jiyan is a physical fighter and other similar 5 star physical fighters can scale to it. Other than we should separate forte and physical strength and durability based on feats.
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Yeah, I mean majority of the characters that aren't 5 stars legitimately have no quantifiable feats. So the most important thing which I already stated is getting calcs.
EldemadeDityjon said:
I disagree with this. This is not an good reason to scale his AP to other members. If Phrolova has similar rating just rework on that. 2 wrongs doesn't make it right.
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What are you talking about? The significance lies not in him directly scaling to Phrolova but being relative, you're failing to understand that at the end of the day the feat Jiyan performed was not done with extreme difficulty or even his full strength. It was quite literally him just throwing down his spear on a fodder TD, if you honest to god think a character like Cristoforo who is backed up by the story and narrative as being comparable to his own colleagues yet somehow is supposed to be a glass cannon who would get one shot then you don't think literally any character can scale to Jiyan's feat if they didn't directly fight Jiyan, Dreamless or Rover. This obviously is flawed because then you'd just as easily be able to argue that characters like Jue and Jinhsi also don't scale to it because they are never shown fighting anyone other than themselves and by your logic "have no feats". Yet you think Zani, who's best showing is beating a random slum mercenary and not even causing any visible damage is more deserving of a higher tier? I'd really like for you to elaborate on how that makes remotely any sense at all.
EldemadeDityjon said:
You can scale Cristoforo to Jiyan feat with his forte while his physical might be unknown rating.
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How would we scale him to Jiyan's feat with his forte when his forte scales far above Jiyan? Explain that logic to me.
EldemadeDityjon said:
I disagree with him being able throw punches stronger Zani or being stronger than Roccia suitcase automatically without him physically showing some feats. Phrolova has physical feats btw.
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Zani's sole feat is being able to throw a punch that rag dolled Talos and didn't even cause any visible damage, aside from that she's able to combat and not get incinerated when blocking and reflecting Leviathan's attack in the finale. Phrolova's physical feat literally consists of doing the same exact thing, she's able to block attacks from Rover and once again, not get her arms or weapon turned to dust or mush, why? Because there is no disparity in their AP, if there was she would not be able to neutralize his force with her own arms.
 
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AlipheeseXIV said:
You guys need to actually look at the Jiyan feat again, it's about as casual a feat as can be.
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I saw Jiyan’s feat, and I agree that Cristoforo is probably much stronger than him in both AP and durability. But honestly, that’s hard to measure since that bastard never wants to fight head-on, lmao. My only concern is more about the specification and elaboration. Like I said, it’s better to include things like “comparable to Jinzhou Arc Rover,” “Rover holding on,” “Rinascita Rover,” etc. Other than that, I don’t really have any major issues.
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Regarding the calculations, don’t we have some about Rover clearing the sky after absorbing the Crownless? Also, do we have any feats related to Overlord+ class TDs? TDs like Inferno Rider, Crownless, Mephis, etc., should be capable of affecting entire regions after spawning, right? For example, in Inferno Rider’s case, he basically turned an entire city into his """domain"""
 
IStar0thh said:
I saw Jiyan’s feat, and I agree that Cristoforo is probably much stronger than him in both AP and durability. But honestly, that’s hard to measure since that bastard never wants to fight head-on, lmao. My only concern is more about the specification and elaboration. Like I said, it’s better to include things like “comparable to Jinzhou Arc Rover,” “Rover holding on,” “Rinascita Rover,” etc. Other than that, I don’t really have any major issues.
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You're absolutely right there, it is difficult to see without a certain level of context and even then of course he has never actually been in a physical confrontation but yeah. Once Rover's profile is created, they will have keys based on the arcs of course and that justification metric was gonna be used whether you brought it up or not.
IStar0thh said:
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Regarding the calculations, don’t we have some about Rover clearing the sky after absorbing the Crownless? Also, do we have any feats related to Overlord+ class TDs? TDs like Inferno Rider, Crownless, Mephis, etc., should be capable of affecting entire regions after spawning, right? For example, in Inferno Rider’s case, he basically turned an entire city into his """domain"""
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Uhh...I'd need to dig through the early game scans and stuff to double check, I know we have some feats, and we do need them to down scale certain characters. If you personally know of, or find any other AP feats feel free to send them here and notify me by replying to one of my messages since @ doesn't work for non staff members and I'll get a calc member I know to calc them and get them evaluated.
 
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The Imperator’s aura in this image is surreal — it’s so beautiful that it surpasses many of the mythical creatures from our own world. Definitely one of my favorite Wuwa images.
 
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AlipheeseXIV said:
That doesn't change the fact that we know the characters scale above a casual Jiyan attack, also it's not that they didn't do damage because Imperator's durability was too high or something and she no sold the attack she just...literally blocked most their attacks except for Rover's. If I used your logic, in that same fight she took countless attacks from Rover with zero damage as well. So I guess Rover doesn't scale?

Yeah, I mean majority of the characters that aren't 5 stars legitimately have no quantifiable feats. So the most important thing which I already stated is getting calcs.

What are you talking about? The significance lies not in him directly scaling to Phrolova but being relative, you're failing to understand that at the end of the day the feat Jiyan performed was not done with extreme difficulty or even his full strength. It was quite literally him just throwing down his spear on a fodder TD, if you honest to god think a character like Cristoforo who is backed up by the story and narrative as being comparable to his own colleagues yet somehow is supposed to be a glass cannon who would get one shot then you don't think literally any character can scale to Jiyan's feat if they didn't directly fight Jiyan, Dreamless or Rover. This obviously is flawed because then you'd just as easily be able to argue that characters like Jue and Jinhsi also don't scale to it because they are never shown fighting anyone other than themselves and by your logic "have no feats". Yet you think Zani, who's best showing is beating a random slum mercenary and not even causing any visible damage is more deserving of a higher tier? I'd really like for you to elaborate on how that makes remotely any sense at all.

How would we scale him to Jiyan's feat with his forte when his forte scales far above Jiyan? Explain that logic to me.

Zani's sole feat is being able to throw a punch that rag dolled Talos and didn't even cause any visible damage, aside from that she's able to combat and not get incinerated when blocking and reflecting Leviathan's attack in the finale. Phrolova's physical feat literally consists of doing the same exact thing, she's able to block attacks from Rover and once again, not get her arms or weapon turned to dust or mush, why? Because there is no disparity in their AP, if there was she would not be able to neutralize his force with her own arms.
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I think you are not getting what I'm saying we don't have any UES so we can't say his physical automatically scales to that. It doesn't matter if Jiyan performed feat casually. Also this not only applies to Cristoforo goes for others too. If they don't have feats or statement to scale them to Jiyan and Rover they should be scaled to their respective feats but I guess with 2.7 Many characters were shown relative feats. So they would be getting more or less relatives scaling with good feat to mention in their profile and proof. While Cristoforo is a mystery. We should put off his physical scaling
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I think you are not getting what I'm saying we don't have any UES so we can't say his physical automatically scales to that. It doesn't matter if Jiyan performed feat casually. Also this not only applies to Cristoforo goes for others too. If they don't have feats or statement to scale them to Jiyan and Rover they should be scaled to their respective feats but I guess with 2.7 Many characters were shown relative feats. So they would be getting more or less relatives scaling with good feat to mention in their profile and proof. While Cristoforo is a mystery. We should put off his physical scaling
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Yeah but, you don't need a UES to scale to physical feats. UES only makes scaling to creation feats possible and at most allowing characters to do things like get speed increases by getting boosts to their energy or directly scaling to characters based on their overall energy reserves. The next CRT is going to focus on trying to get a UES anyways using the relative examples we have in the verse, so we'll see how it goes. That CRT will pretty much end up facilitating how exactly this is to be handled for the foreseeable future.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Weekend likely 😞
Busy IRL with work
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Alright, I mulled over the discussion we previously had and while I still firmly standby what I said, I can compromise a bit. When you make that CRT, feel free to downgrade Carlotta, Iuno & Cristoforo's striking strength to unknown, only their striking strength btw because AP as officially stated on the page:
does not necessarily need to cause destructive feats on that level, but can cause damage to characters that can withstand such forces. We are aware that this technically violates the principle of conservation of energy, as it should logically disperse upon impact, but fiction generally tends to ignore this fact, so we overlook it as well.
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So yeah, since striking strength does follow a more strict criteria feel free to downgrade that to unknown. I'd go and just edit the pages right now but as you know, even seemingly self evident revisions require a CRT for approval. We will follow that formula for characters moving forward as well, until we get a UES accepted or a feat we can more easily assign universally. The other existing character profiles are fine though so those can be left alone for the time being.
 
You guys think Jue qualified for large size type 2 or type 1? I'm kinda eye balling it and while it's obvious they are bigger than 13-14 meters, since large size type 2 starts at 100 it might be a little debatable.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Alright, I mulled over the discussion we previously had and while I still firmly standby what I said, I can compromise a bit. When you make that CRT, feel free to downgrade Carlotta, Iuno & Cristoforo's striking strength to unknown, only their striking strength btw because AP as officially stated on the page:

So yeah, since striking strength does follow a more strict criteria feel free to downgrade that to unknown. I'd go and just edit the pages right now but as you know, even seemingly self evident revisions require a CRT for approval. We will follow that formula for characters moving forward as well, until we get a UES accepted or a feat we can more easily assign universally. The other existing character profiles are fine though so those can be left alone for the time being.
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No wonder we were not in sink. Yeah I was talking about this. Btw Carlotta did smashed around some Order echos didn't she? Also in her Companion quest she was kicking around few while dancing. I think her SS can stay. As for Cristoforo I have some different idea of his AP. I'll explain that later
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
You guys think Jue qualified for large size type 2 or type 1? I'm kinda eye balling it and while it's obvious they are bigger than 13-14 meters, since large size type 2 starts at 100 it might be a little debatable.
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10–13 meters seems to be just his horns and head, so yeah… it makes sense that he’s around 100 meters overall.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
No wonder we were not in sink.
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My mistake then, kept mentioning AP so I thought you literally meant the AP segment.
EldemadeDityjon said:
As for Cristoforo I have some different idea of his AP. I'll explain that later
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Honestly since you're already making a CRT for Cristoforo you may as well just upgrade his AP to at least tier 4, since he does have the DC to destroy his own Sonoro Spheres which we know have a day and night cycle as well as starry sky.
 
IStar0thh said:
10–13 meters seems to be just his horns and head, so yeah… it makes sense that he’s around 100 meters overall.
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Yeah that's true, I think type 2 is fine then. Just wondering whether someone will just end up pixel scaling it only for it to be like 5 or 10 meters off or smth, well ig we can cross that bridge when we get to it if it happens.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Honestly since you're already making a CRT for Cristoforo you may as well just upgrade his AP to at least tier 4, since he does have the DC to destroy his own Sonoro Spheres which we know have a day and night cycle as well as starry sky.
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I think that would work as environmental destruction.
 
Any idea what tier Imperator, Cartethyia, and Rover will be placed in? Also, do you know when the next CRT is coming out?
 
Imperator scaling is wonky, and until we get something concrete for current stuff they will probably scale the same as everyone else. Next CRT is soon, I believe Eldemade said he plans to do one over the weekend. I also plan on making one for Jue sometime soon.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Imperator scaling is wonky, and until we get something concrete for current stuff they will probably scale the same as everyone else. Next CRT is soon, I believe Eldemade said he plans to do one over the weekend. I also plan on making one for Jue sometime soon.
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Fair enough. Can’t the Civilization Capsule be used to establish a minimum scaling? It seems to exist within a separate space, complete with a starry sky.
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Edit: Danm, I forgot we don't have UES.
 
Yeah what Shiraito said, Jue and co CRT soon. I've decided to leave off the info stuff for a separate CRT which will be followed shortly after that one is set.
 
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