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The Goddess of Fate vs Yhwach

Hellscream said:
acausality itself is irrelevant, unless if the character itself is specifically resistant to causality / fate manipulation due to it
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Alice Resists Fate Manip because Fate Manip can be resisted by her acasuality

She Resists Fate Manip

Acausality (Type 4 - Baseline normally - Alice is from a completely different world other than the "Earth" which is Kaito's homeworld and Trinia that Shiro created that operates under its own law of causality as time and causality interconnected with each other, Fate, the one who has the strongest authority among the Gods which is the authority of Fate, when she use her authority to determine the outcome of the battle between the Six Kings and God realm, can't even detect Alice's presence under her own power , and Alice is also unbound by fate and destiny. 2 layer with Hekatonkheires - Her Heart tool, Hekatonkheires, is not of Trinia's origin, which allow her to overpower Fate's serious power. which was effective against Alice previously
 
And I don't think Yhwach can do anything to Concept Hax [Type 1] even IF he can see it. Else that Sounds like NLF. OFC prove me wrong if so.
 
i've been going through that profile, and i really can't be arsed to debate for this, it's wild to me that stuff like that got accepted honestly
 
Authorities are inherently smurf, so Fate manipulates fate on a level where it bypasses barriers which transcends space-time.

Her range also is stated to extend to the world itself, hence why before Alice showed up Kuro and co didn't know how to handle her, cause not only cause her range is broad, manipulating fate/logic gives her a wide range of capability to do anything.
 
Hellscream said:
i've been going through that profile, and i really can't be arsed to debate for this, it's wild to me that stuff like that got accepted honestly
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Funny Isekais are Broken Man. What can I tell you

The Mid Tiers are all Yhwach Level


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Celestial_Pegasus said:
But basically her range is smurf (5-D), and within that range, no abilities can be used without her permission, of course it has the same thing as Yhwach which lets her see the past present and future, and determine the future.
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So her fate hax allows her to access possibilities which Yhwach can't, while Yhwach can not do the same back to her.

'nuff said, she stomps.
 
Phoenks said:
So her fate hax allows her to access possibilities which Yhwach can't, while Yhwach can not do the same back to her.

'nuff said, she stomps.
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Never thought too deep on it, but Fate when serious using The Eyes Who See Fate manipulates the fate of the past, present and future

[…Fate-san can control fate, right?]
[That’s right.]
[Does that mean, if it’s what I think it means… most things in this world can be moved the way Fate-san wanted them to be?]
[Unnn, I guess you could describe it like that… Other than Shallow Vernal-sama, I’m the most powerful God in the God Realm~~ Ehhen!]
[Eh? Really!?]
Fate-san is the strongest in the God Realm if we were to exclude Shiro-san? So, that means the strongest of the Supreme Gods is Fate-san… I thought it would be Chronois-san who was the strongest among them.
[I’ve been given the power to interfere with the laws of the world by Shallow Vernal-sama. Of all the Gods, I’m the closest in power to Shallow Vernal-sama… So, when I get serious, my “eyes” change to the same ones as Shallow Vernal-sama… just like this.]
[…It’s true.]
As soon as Fate-san told me that, her normally reddish-purple eyes turn the same gold color as Shiro-san’s.
[This is the power I hold. It’s the same eyes as Shallow Vernal-sama’s… The eyes that see through the fate of the past, the present, and the future. Aren’t they amazing? Have you fallen in love with me yet?]-Chapter 216

So her fate manipulation isn't limited to just the future, but also past and present. Also as I said her range is the world itself, and manipulates all fate, thus unless you can counter this, it's impossible to fight her

<Afterword>
Serious-senpai : [Ahh, I see, from the perspective of the family members at that time, there were just no countermeasures against Fate…]
? ? ? : [Fate-san’s Authority has a range that covers the entire world and is seriously a cheat that can interfere with all fate. Unless you take countermeasures that aren’t bound by the rules, such as what I… Alice-chan did, changing her fate in their battle, or you have the same authority as her, it would be impossible to fight against her.]-Chapter 1516

But yea looking like a stomp here.
 
i keep getting conflicting claims about smurf potency.
on one side DT says it still exist albeit differently on other side says it only exist for 1-A
whch one is true
 
Smurf potency doesn't matter here. The issue is her 5-D range being able to access possibilities where Yhwach becomes fodder and him being unable to counter it because it's beyond his own range of affect.
 
Welp, the fact that Fate's abilities are CM1 and law manipulation while Yhwach's aren't and he has no way to counter it makes it clears tbh.

His power null just wouldn't work cuz her authority is CM1, last time I checked Almighty works on type 2 only. She also has AC4 negation plus yea, the range is there too.

Stomp verified.
 
Fantric said:
Pretty sure she can even create impossible fate. Well, in LN at least, dunno about WN
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No that's a thing In the WN as well (Chapter 269).

That's broken, so not only can she determine the absolute fate from the infinite possibilities that exist for the future, she can even create a fate which was originally impossible, didnt exist among those infinite possibilities, and then on top of that when serious can determine the fate of the past, present and future.

But yea think we should get the mention of infinite possibilities added to the profile.
 
Fate just got more buffs, Alice and other WCs got much better resistance.....this was suppose to be a matchup lmao
 
Phoenks said:
Smurf potency doesn't matter here. The issue is her 5-D range being able to access possibilities where Yhwach becomes fodder and him being unable to counter it because it's beyond his own range of affect.
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Yeah, its just what I thought.

Honestly, this sounds like a complete Stomp
 
And then Alice is unbound by destiny and fate, where fate manipulates those infinite possibilities 💀Yeah don't put her against yhwach lol
 
And then Fate with The Eyes Who See Fate can fate hax Alice who is unbound by those possibilities, and then with her heart tool Alice is again unaffected by The Eyes Who See Fate, and then World Creators are completely transcendent over causality adding another layer on top...

This match is a stomp.
 
TBF Yhwach is very Haxxed

I thought we were missing something

He could still collapse the Universe with his ED or something
 
BoastJr said:
Would Alice (Pre Final Arc) vs Yhwach vibe better ? Do we restrict her Hekatonkheires ability
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Restricting Hekatonkeires probably puts things more in Yhwach's favor, he could probably steal her other stuff.

BoastJr said:
Or maybe Ichigo vs Megiddo ?
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I am pretty sure Megiddo stomps, what exactly is Ichigo suppose to do to Megiddo, nothing he can do will get pass her regen as far as I know, and Ichigo isn't really known as a haxed character, Megiddo could just manipulate causality to make Ichigo's attacks always miss, or chuck Ichigo into a pocket dimension that even inter-dimensional travel can't escape from.

BoastJr said:
Or Isis vs Aizen ?
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Maybe? Actually no, Isis passively manipulates Aizen's mind, soul etc on a conceptual level due to magic power of death being an authority which is smurf and conceptual, though I know Aizen has like passive existence erasure, but Isis probably has better range for her passive.

Edit: I forgot about the absurd speed amp that the 6 Kings have, so if any of them are losing, they could make themselves 157,784,760xfaster, so don't think it will be fair for any of those matches...
 
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Her Fate and other Hax still gonna be 5-D? Cus if so, this match is still a Stomp
 
I am not downgrading her fate hax, if anything I am upgrading it based on stuff I said here, which isn't yet on her profile ie her being able to manipulate infinite possibilities, and even create possibilities above that, which would make it uncountably infinite? Make sense I guess due to the nature of authorities being transcendent over space-time.
 
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