One Piece new chapter spoilers thread

[Antvasima]

I strongly agree with SlendVeny here.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Revo slander is insane. What did Dragon do? Oh, I don't know, commanded the entire army? What did the army do?

The Revolutionary Army overthrew the Sorbet Kingdom before they even became the Revolutionary Army. Then they went around fighting the World Government and aiding civilians.

Then they saved a bunch of innocent people, including children like Sabo, in Gray Terminal, from being shot to death or burned alive by the government, with Dragon and everyone then training Sabo.

Then Kuma went in and freed the Tumi kingdom.

Then Dragon was brought up at a Reverie and referred to as a threat to the World Government as a whole. Curious if this is someone who isn't doing anything.

Then Ivankov and Inazuma formed Newkama Land in Impel Down, which later lead to the turning of the tide in Impel Down and Marineford.

Then they freed Vira. Then Dragon saved Luffy, possibly twice, in Loguetown.

Then three of their lower-level officers were attacked by CP9, who killed them and 20 innocent people, which is very unfortunate, but didn't end up being a setback.

Then they freed the country of Centaurea.

Then the Revos freed all the government-owned slaves at Tequila Wolf and saved Robin, who they trained over the timeskip.

Then Sabo's group got the Flame Fruit and helped save Dressrossa and reveal Doflamingo's arms dealings.

Then, the Blackbeard Pirates attacked and destroyed the main base and they immediately came back with minimal setback.

Then they saved Lulusia from invading pirates.

Then they saved Kuma and a bunch of other slaves, fought the Admirals and a bunch of other Marines and guards, discovered the true ruler of the world, destroyed the Celestial Dragons' food supplies, declared war on them, and cut off the supply lines to Marie Geiose. Simultaneously, they caused TWELVE NATIONS to revolt against the World Government at the same time, eight of which were complete successes.

They managed to get a bit of repairs in on Kuma, but he ran away.

They're currently cutting off Marie Geiose's supply lines, attacked an underworld trading group that was sending them supplies, and someone has currently SET THE WHOLE PLACE ON FIRE, and I think it just might be the group that has a Flame user.

We were talking about combating the government and succeeding... Stop ignoring context, most of the things you just listed are not combating the government and is something Garp already does as a marine

Hence helping people is better than directly combating a government... Both objectively and subjectively

 

[Stefano4444]

Garp on the core its a genuine good man who while has never took part at any atrocities of the WG, he also never able to either mitigate or prevent many of those events to happen. Either because those events where render hidden to most people, because he lacked the authority (at least within the WG) or he was simply not around when they happen.

And while he could have follow either Luffy or Dragon's examples, he decide to follow his own path and remain inside the system, using his fame and strength to both actually protect civilians for true evil pirates and also to make himself and example for the next generation, hoping to at least reforme the Marines within to become less extreme in their ideology and not be just puppets for the WG.

And It seen to work a bit with the existence of SWORD, and even besides that Dragon also acknowledge that the WG isn't entirely made by horrible people as Vagapunk tell him due of be a world scale organization.

 

[Antvasima]

Garp on the core its a genuine good man who while has never took part at any atrocities of the WG, he also never able to either mitigate or prevent many of those events to happen. Either because those events where render hidden to most people, because he lacked the authority (at least within the WG) or he was simply not around when they happen.

And while he could have follow either Luffy or Dragon's examples, he decide to follow his own path and remain inside the system, using his fame and strength to both actually protect civilians for true evil pirates and also to make himself and example for the next generation, hoping to at least reforme the Marines within to become less extreme in their ideology and not be just puppets for the WG.

And It seen to work a bit with the existence of SWORD, and even besides that Dragon also acknowledge that the WG isn't entirely made by horrible people as Vagapunk tell him due of be a world scale organization.

I suppose that is a good point.

Although it would still be much better if he had helped his son.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, to switch topic, what motivation/drive should Sanji embrace in order to activate his conqueror's haki, as seeing the All Blue alone obviously won't be sufficiently strong?

The wish to protect all of the women in the world from oppression perhaps?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Its more like… what ambition and resolve has he already shown that could be evidence of his conqueror’s spirit

Maybe getting all the ladies in the world since I think in his mind when viola looked at it, she said she has never seen anything like it… most likely it’s that Sanji wants attract and please every women

A conqueror’s spirit is something one is born with, Sanji wanting to be king of women or something like that might be a step above the spirit of his brothers and stuff which can be cool

Still think the evidence are very lacking and Sanji has shown evidence against him… I guess there’s counter evidence to that evidence of Sanji saying to throw away your ambitions with Zoro, in Enies lobby he did something similar (kinda ) with khalifa

OOH and this is more proof

Instead of Enma flames it will be perversion flames pink flames on his leg

 

[SlendVeny]

We were talking about combating the government and succeeding...

which they are doing.

Stop ignoring context, most of the things you just listed are not combating the government and is something Garp already does as a marine.

Garp is empowering kingdoms to revolt against the World Government and actively launching attacks on the CDs?

Hence helping people is better than directly combating a government... Both objectively and subjectively

Fighting the World Government DOES help people.

 

[SlendVeny]

Anyway, to switch topic, what motivation/drive should Sanji embrace in order to activate his conqueror's haki, as seeing the All Blue alone obviously won't be sufficiently strong?

The wish to protect all of the women in the world from oppression perhaps?

I feel like there's a 25% chance Oda just says "passion" and then Sanji unlocks it.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Fighting the World Government DOES help people.

Not directly and it’s only 1 of the many other problems that exists in the world, criminals, pirates, bandits and such

Which happens daily around the world

That’s what garp deals with… and you don’t start any wars aswell or combat deceived justice, attacking marines that don’t know any better

Hence objectively and subjectively it’s better what garp has been doing… he achieves his objective, Dragon hasn’t.

Garp is empowering kingdoms to revolt against the World Government and actively launching attacks on the CDs?

I said most of the things that aren’t directly combating WG, garp already does

which they are doing.

They have not succeeded in their objective of overthrowing the government… hence over all these years, they (the bad leaders) still remain at the top.. and only recently do the learn the truth if I remember correctly… that’s wasted time COMPARED to garp and what he has done with his accomplishments based on their actual objective

 

[Legion350]

No. The Celestial Dragons ARE the World Government. They own it. A LITERAL DEMON runs the World Government.

They do have an army of sadists. Imu is literally turning entire populations into demons that love nothing more than to kill and eat people.

I agree with you. The World Government is fundamentally rotten and corrupt. I just want to clarify what I was going for. By World Government, I am referring to those actively involved from the marines and up. Although collectively the WG is incredibly evil, within the organization [from the marines to the Kings] we’ve seen that personal morality varies considerably.

What I was trying to point out that is that the structure of the WG has allowed them to be blinded to the degree of the evil they do. Most of them don’t know about Imu or the depths of the CD‘s behavior, but the evil comes from their belief in overzealous “pseudo justice”. Blackbeard and his pirates have none of the delusions of being for any moral justice like Garp or Sengoku. With that said, he and his crew have done a lot of the same types of evil as the CD, they just don’t run the system.

 

[SlendVeny]

Not directly and it’s only 1 of the many other problems that exists in the world, criminals, pirates, bandits and such

Which happens daily around the world

They also help with that.

That’s what garp deals with… and you don’t start any wars aswell or combat deceived justice, attacking marines that don’t know any better

Hence objectively and subjectively it’s better what garp has been doing… he achieves his objective, Dragon hasn’t.


I said most of the things that aren’t directly combating WG, garp already does

They have not succeeded in their objective of overthrowing the government… hence over all these years, they (the bad leaders) still remain at the top.. and only recently do the learn the truth if I remember correctly… that’s wasted time COMPARED to garp and what he has done with his accomplishments based on their actual objective

"You can't fight fascism unless you instantly win, it's a waste of time. What you should do is just be a cop."

 

[Antvasima]

They also help with that.

"You can't fight fascism unless you instantly win, it's a waste of time. What you should do is just be a cop."

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

They also help with that.

No they don't, they prioritize fighting against the government... Everything else is side stuff

"You can't fight fascism unless you instantly win, it's a waste of time. What you should do is just be a cop."

Not what I said, I said what was better and who has done more in their objectives... But yes, you shouldn't fight "fascism" if you're going to waste your whole life and be unable to win when you could've easily done more good by protecting and helping people which is the main objective as a marine

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with you. The World Government is fundamentally rotten and corrupt. I just want to clarify what I was going for. By World Government, I am referring to those actively involved from the marines and up. Although collectively the WG is incredibly evil, within the organization [from the marines to the Kings] we’ve seen that personal morality varies considerably.

What I was trying to point out that is that the structure of the WG has allowed them to be blinded to the degree of the evil they do. Most of them don’t know about Imu or the depths of the CD‘s behavior, but the evil comes from their belief in overzealous “pseudo justice”. Blackbeard and his pirates have none of the delusions of being for any moral justice like Garp or Sengoku. With that said, he and his crew have done a lot of the same types of evil as the CD, they just don’t run the system.

Yes. Blackbeard seems to be deliberately portrayed as somebody who was severely traumatised as a child, and then drew the entirely wrong life lesson from it. Instead of "This sort of horror should not happen to anybody." he turned it into "Do it to everybody else before they do it to you."

 

[Bummel]

I feel like there's a 25% chance Oda just says "passion" and then Sanji unlocks it.

Sanji lock in on that La passion

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yes. Blackbeard seems to be deliberately portrayed as somebody who was severely traumatised as a child, and then drew the entirely wrong life lesson from it. Instead of "This sort of horror should not happen to anybody." he turned it into "Do it to everybody else before they do it to you."

Wouldn't that be worse than some celestial dragons that are constantly taught by their parents to act the same way that they do?

The exceptions being ones like doflamingo

I think ultimately, it's what they've done that determines how evil they are and what they are also willing to do as well

 

[Antvasima]

The celestial dragons are in positions of absolute supremacist entitlement and are taking it to gleefully sadistic slavemongering and genocidal absolute tyrannical extremes. There are no excuses for that. It is the epitome of satanic evil.

And no, I did not remotely intend to act as an apologist for Blackbeard. He is an absolutely horrible monster. Understanding how evil and its indoctrination fundamentally work (as I indepth explored in my old story) is not remotely the same thing as making excuses for it.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The celestial dragons are in positions of absolute supremacist entitlement and are taking it to gleefully sadistic slavemongering and genocidal absolute tyrannical extremes. There are no excuses for that. It is the epitome of satanic evil.

kinda but it also depends on the celestial dragon, tho most are most likely like that (epitome of satanic evil tho is more like doffy and hody... Which is kinda a step above celestial dragons... As they are able to reform unlike those 2)

Understanding how evil and its indoctrination fundamentally work (as I indepth explored in my old story) is not remotely the same thing as making excuses for it.

true, I know, which is why I asked that some celestial dragons could be less evil than Blackbeard

 

[SlendVeny]

No they don't, they prioritize fighting against the government... Everything else is side stuff

Not what I said, I said what was better and who has done more in their objectives... But yes, you shouldn't fight "fascism" if you're going to waste your whole life and be unable to win when you could've easily done more good by protecting and helping people which is the main objective as a marine

Bro put fascism in quotation marks for the CDs

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Bro put fascism in quotation marks for the CDs

should've put "Political word" instead

 

[SlendVeny]

should've put "Political word" instead

Bro thinks One Piece isn't political?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Bro thinks One Piece isn't political?

Yes, one piece isn’t about politics… it just has politics in it.

But even then nothing I said would mean that I said one piece isn’t political.

Politics in general is bad in real life. I personally just see it as a way to divide people and control them through it… especially Americans, they are soo obsessed about politics that even when they don’t know how to “defend” politics, they will just starting saying “EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL BTW”… it’s such a bad and sad mindset to have in my view

Soo yee, I will always say and think that one piece isn’t political because it’s about finding the treasure One Piece… having politics in it won’t change that

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So basically what I'm seeing is that Garp, Roger and Xebec were the ones at the top it seems in the flashback/God valley era, being equals basically

Then Xebec somehow got defeated, later on everyone also got stronger and WB grew so much that he became equals with Roger, but not just any Roger... But equal to prime Roger (Being called equal to the Pirate King)... Stated the only man who was able to fight on par with Roger, the Pirate King

So it seems like Kaido and Big Mom wasn't able to grow as much WB did, with Kaido having basically praised both Roger and Wb being at the top

Hence his "list" also puts them both above Xebec... With Xebec still being stronger than Kaido based on Shanks... Who was able to clash and stop him, who also displayed a better feat with kid

Meaning currently no one has reached even Xebec's level

This still makes the most sense to me

Wanna see what's gonna happen with the whole Imu stuff tho, that's something completely mysterious

 

[Antvasima]

Politics in general is bad in real life. I personally just see it as a way to divide people and control them through it…

Yes, but the ones responsible for most of the divide and conquer indoctrination are the real world equivalents to the Celestial Dragons, the extremely far right absolutely corrupt totalitarian oligarchs and politicians who own almost all of all varieties of media.

 

[SlendVeny]

Yes, one piece isn’t about politics… it just has politics in it.

But even then nothing I said would mean that I said one piece isn’t political.

Politics in general is bad in real life. I personally just see it as a way to divide people and control them through it… especially Americans, they are soo obsessed about politics that even when they don’t know how to “defend” politics, they will just starting saying “EVERYTHING IS POLITICAL BTW”… it’s such a bad and sad mindset to have in my view

Soo yee, I will always say and think that one piece isn’t political because it’s about finding the treasure One Piece… having politics in it won’t change that

I think that's a shit take, but I can agree to disagree I guess.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

So basically what I'm seeing is that Garp, Roger and Xebec were the ones at the top it seems in the flashback/God valley era, being equals basically

Then Xebec somehow got defeated, later on everyone also got stronger and WB grew so much that he became equals with Roger, but not just any Roger... But equal to prime Roger (Being called equal to the Pirate King)... Stated the only man who was able to fight on par with Roger, the Pirate King

So it seems like Kaido and Big Mom wasn't able to grow as much WB did, with Kaido having basically praised both Roger and Wb being at the top

Hence his "list" also puts them both above Xebec... With Xebec still being stronger than Kaido based on Shanks... Who was able to clash and stop him, who also displayed a better feat with kid

Meaning currently no one has reached even Xebec's level

This still makes the most sense to me

Wanna see what's gonna happen with the whole Imu stuff tho, that's something completely mysterious

While I don't agree, thanks for answering my question Monkey

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

While I don't agree, thanks for answering my question Monkey

Most of what I said is stated (didn’t give everything a link), though you can still interpret things differently in the end

But I also said what I said as a prediction or a "waiting" for a full confirmation in the future, but right now that’s the only interpretation I can see that makes sense based on all the information that we’ve gotten

 

[KingTempest]

"Whitebeard got stronger and grew equal to Roger"

Whitebeard and Roger seemed like they had a good friendship and rivalry prior to Rocks' death. They clashed on God Valley and Roger was looking for him to drink with.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

"Whitebeard got stronger and grew equal to Roger"

Whitebeard and Roger seemed like they had a good friendship and rivalry prior to Rocks' death. They clashed on God Valley and Roger was looking for him to drink with.

And they both got stronger...?

WB's prime is legit when he was rivals and on par with Roger, around 30-25 years ago (25 being when Roger became pk) (Garp also got stronger 30 years ago and was then able to defeat Chinjao)

it's already stated how the flashback is in their "youth" also (nevermind I think that's before god Valley still)

 

[SlendVeny]

So basically what I'm seeing is that Garp, Roger and Xebec were the ones at the top it seems in the flashback/God valley era, being equals basically

So in your eyes, Garp and Roger in God Valley were equal to Xebec, and thus Xebec is inferior to Prime Garp, who is superior to his God Valley self due to his training

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So in your eyes, Garp and Roger in God Valley were equal to Xebec, and thus Xebec is inferior to Prime Garp, who is superior to his God Valley self due to his training

You made that sound kinda complicated lol to me but yee

 

[SlendVeny]

You made that sound kinda complicated lol to me but yee

So you think Prime Garp is significantly superior to Xebec?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

So you think Prime Garp is significantly superior to Xebec?

idk about significantly but superior definitely yes, Xebec journey was cut short compared to the rest of them... With only few surpassing him (3 maybe 4 people) (Xebec was already Roger's toughest opponent in the god Valley era...)

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

btw Garp tanking Zeus lightning heat combined with Prometheus fire heat like it's nothing looked insane and fire

 

[Fireld]

Garp to BM afterwards

 

[RoyGundam]

Prove that, and if this is your take than you would need to have the same view on every single marine for also "turning a blind eye"

What is there to prove LOL? Sengoku spells it out outright about God valley, Garp watches Marine ships bomb innocent civilians, then he continues to stay with the Marines for over 38 years, through Ohara, Lulusia and who knows what else in between. And yes, I do have the same view for every single marine, especially higher rank ones like Garp, who cannot pretend ignorance

He literally helps them directly... Helping them raid, supporting them and their success... The same people that will hurt and kill people...

The hypocrisy from you is insane.

Yeah, raid an enemy Yonko territory ... "supporting them and their success" what does that even mean LOL ... "The same people that will hurt and kill people" - Garp literally does the same with other Marines who do horrible atrocities

The intentional blindness you Garp defenders have is insane

 

[RoyGundam]

We were talking about combating the government and succeeding... Stop ignoring context, most of the things you just listed are not combating the government and is something Garp already does as a marine

Oh hello!! None of this is anything Garp the dog has ever done or will ever do

Not what I said, I said what was better and who has done more in their objectives... But yes, you shouldn't fight "fascism" if you're going to waste your whole life and be unable to win when you could've easily done more good by protecting and helping people which is the main objective as a marine

The main objective, as a marine is to fulfill the wishes of their CD overlords. That's it, and if you can't see that plain fact, well then, I'm afraid you're blinder than Ray Charles

 

[RoyGundam]

Also, just to put a final note on this hilarious misconception that "Garp has dedicated his life to protecting civilians from pirates/bandits etc." ... LMAO No ... Like, not at all. Based on the lore we've heard, he spent the better part of 2 decades unsuccessfully chasing after the almost completely harmless (to civilians) Roger pirates, instead of challenging the actually dangerous and violent pirates like Kaido, Big Mom, Shiki etc. And in present day, he mostly lounges around in the HQ, and has a jolly old time with his dear old pal Sengoku (who is several orders of magnitude worse as a person, than Garp)

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yee either bro is rage baiting or it's something personal

hope you get better from the hate that you have in your heart tho

 

[RoyGundam]

Yee either bro is rage baiting or it's something personal

hope you get better from the hate that you have in your heart tho

LMAO don't pull this faux high ground BS

However I have realised it's pointless to continue this back and forth with you (specifically) after you outed yourself a few comments back.

It's hilarious to me that supposed One Piece "fans" like yourself still exist in 2025, who think that the series is about "finding the treasure One Piece" when it should have been clear since the Oden flashback that the One Piece is definitely not a treasure in the conventional sense