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Parts of a Sonic Adventure Prima Guide received it's own page on Sega.com in the form of hints for SA1.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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That's technically Adventure Prima guide, not 06.
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I don't think it would be a good idea to deny validity for anyone who is a freelancer from writing for Sonic.
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Prima guides are more about helping out on gameplay of Sonic 06, rather than explain story, setting and stats of it. I dont think trying to write a game guide is same as actually writing what is happening in Sonic 06, so its not quite the same. Prima guide wasnt intended to explain that sort of thing lol
Unless we really do the thing that "it doesnt matter what the intention is, it is official product and therefore it can be used to explain parts of story if it talks about it" which, well cant argue against that ig.
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Using prima guides or something similar isn't something we automatically accept, using another franchise as an example Ganondorf currently has non-physical interaction due to a statement from the twilight princess prima guide made from 2006, but soon he's gonna lose the ability when his profile is remade because nobody from Nintendo / anyone that wrote the games story worked on or supervised it beyond just saying "yeah you can publish this guide" so it's not really valid lore.
Obviously wouldn't mean any and all prima/whatever else guides gets thrown out, maybe Sonic Team directly involved themselves with the extra lore stuff given in these guides or they officially confirmed the lore only seen in these guides is canon which would make it legit as secondary canon, but as a default we don't encourage using them. Although I think very recent prima guides (Well, recent relative to them stopping production in 2019) might be fine depending on how more hands any given game company were with them compared to like the early 2000s or whatever. I don't think we have any written standards on the site though, which would be useful.
Obviously wouldn't mean any and all prima/whatever else guides gets thrown out, maybe Sonic Team directly involved themselves with the extra lore stuff given in these guides or they officially confirmed the lore only seen in these guides is canon which would make it legit as secondary canon, but as a default we don't encourage using them. Although I think very recent prima guides (Well, recent relative to them stopping production in 2019) might be fine depending on how more hands any given game company were with them compared to like the early 2000s or whatever. I don't think we have any written standards on the site though, which would be useful.
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Oh and Jet players in Crossworlds are never seeing the pearly gates, I haven't gone up against one that has a soul yet.
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I agree personally. I like Metal and Surge being these two versions, these victims, born into the concept of "My Sonic", being a "Sonic" controlled by someone else in a way. But Shadow also being inherently tied to Sonic doesn't work for me like it does for those two. I agree with the "Sonic-centric" thing. Part of why I like Sonic is that I see him as an entirely "regular" person, and not someone artificially made for a purpose or born of supernatural circumstances. But that also means making everything in the franchise effectively worship him takes away hard from that specific aspect.
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Hiii <3
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I have to disagree. See, Solaris does exist in past, present, and future, (in the space-time intersection/rift, apparently?) which makes the "Solaris shooting beams in all time" more believable. But you have to understand this comes from the gameplay of a game where Sonic can casually stand on the side of a hill. I think it's a fair scale but if someone doesn't than I can't entirely blame them
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Those two have zero correlation. For the lasers, those make sense because it's stated and heavily implied to do that. If Solaris exists throughout all of time, why not literally any of his attacks which stem from the newfound power he has. Literal game mechanics doesn't have any bearing on actual lore unless said otherwise. Like what? This argument is kind of dumb. None of it is a lore thing or implied to be an actual in-universe thing that's taken of note. Of course you can't entire blame them for not agreeing with this flawed line of logic because it's completely and utterly foolish. That's like saying using Idle Deloading in Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy puts the actual scaling and lore into question because it's a gameplay glitch. or something. Like, no. This isn't a fair scale. Literally what are you talking about? We can apply this logic to literally any video game verse.
I must repeat this. Unless it is acknowledged in verse/in lore and taken seriously, then it just does not apply in terms of its lore, let alone its scaling.
You're overthinking this. If this is the result of Reddit debates, jeez. Sorry you were/are there, but none of that makes any sense, man. Genuinely.
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I don’t think Solaris being present at every single moment in history and the future was actually established, just his attacks can reach all of that.
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Yeah. I think the Mural Theory takes away from Shadow as a character and it's based off of very loose evidence. Shadow being his own character with no inherent ties to any other character (aside from the ones already in his bio) as a part of his backstory works best. Making Shadow just a "false copy of Sonic" completely betrays Shadow's identity in a way that's toxic, methinks. Identity is a big part of Shadow's being. Being his own person and being held down by nothing. The Mural Theory kind of spits in the face of all of that and is just a device to glaze Sonic and invalidate Shadow.
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I think we should give Sonic Surface Scaling from 06
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Why wouldn't he be? That's the inherent implication someone could gather. It's formed out of his own power which he had ascended to. I don't get this line of logic, It's not like Solaris is using some sort of device to make his attacks do this. I don't think it makes sense for Solaris NOT to exist in all of time.
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Dude, all of this crack speculation is so cringe. Like where was this before? Even THEN it wouldn't make any sense. Why are we trying to, funnily enough, rewrite history?
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That's just normal climbing! I mean being able to stand on walls and ceilings!
I'm the ************ making Eggman 2-C physically, I can make stupid things happen for good reasons!
MysticMania
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I do think that the "past, present, and future" line lends more to temporal omnipotence than anything else imo.
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My GOAT Eggman got abs under that coat fr
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Yeah, the only argument against that would be to say that "well, it's just a certain period in the past and future" but that was not exactly established in-game, and since time itself is the past, present, and future with Solaris about to **** up time ITSELF it makes sense for him to be temporally omnipresent. The only other way I feel would be to look at Ian Flynn's Bumblekast for answers but 06 isn't even a game he wrote and Bumblekast is literally just his opinions, as the description says
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I recall Early Modern Era cast being downgraded due to the vagueness in meaning of these statements. The first to third image.
This one, however, should count, am I right? I have five more like this statement, for Adventure Era.
This one, however, should count, am I right? I have five more like this statement, for Adventure Era.
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I am in fact almost done with Eggman's stats, the only part left is the AP, but some of the ones involving IDW just leave me confused since it doesn't seem to convey what the description involves.
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Can we not do this song and dance AGAIN?
It's always the same story; go to a different powerscaling site, get mocked or have your/others' arguments nitpicked by literal who's, and then having this weird Crisis of confidence.
Just stop going to Reddit or wherever else if you don't have the backbone to stand by everything that has made it very clear regarding an Infinite multiverse when you consider ACTUAL context. Yes, I am going to take the statement of a Supergenius's hypotheticals at face value regarding an infinite multiverse when he has already experienced parallel universes over random internet strangers that (most likely) don't even have a Bachelors Degree.
How about actually trying to get the verse in a state of repair with its scans before going into meltdown mode over the ratings being criticized by people who barely even buy Uni+? ******* please and thank you.
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Same, I am getting bitter about it tbh.
I haven't been working on it myself for the past week because of IRL crap (death has a funny way of halting plans), but I'm tempted to just quit working on wiki matters entirely since really only a select few have the willingness to do anything. It feels like people just got accustomed to me and a few others carrying the verse, but I'm getting tired and life waits for nobody. I guess we'll see, though.
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I don’t have any problems with 5-D so I don’t think the ratings should change in any way, I don’t think people should agree with me either. It’s just something where I kinda wanna write all the evidence down some place, give reasons for and against all of it.
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Speaking of which, I'm working on the Egg Fleet simultaneously, it should be ready in a couple hours from now.
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Sucks that the UK sucks
ShakeResounding
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I want to apologize to you, I had no excuse to be such an ass. I was outta line.
I think that sort of thing would be beneficial for your personal use, as long as you truly believe it helps.
ShakeResounding
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The fact that they completely shut down Imgur is wild. Don't worry about it, you above all others have a genuine excuse for your absence.
I would ALSO like to apologize to you. Even if I didn't mention you or anything, my general callout was a bit mean-spirited (and I blame my aversion to mornings). I appreciate your help as well, and never let my occasionally asshole attitude convey otherwise.
I'm also to blame. I had a family member pass recently and my motivation to do anything with fixing my Imgur stuff has just been in the gutter, but I'm not that much of a doomer to contemplate actually quitting the wiki (yet). I'm down, but I'm definitely not out. I just need more time. Sorry if that's disappointing anybody.
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Genuinely, if this is adding stress, you don't have to sit around a bunch of laughin' jokin' ********, you can take a break for a bit.
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Jokes aside Reaper, thank you for understanding. I definitely am trying to pace myself to avoid any stress, don't worry. I do feel the need to pop in here though since at the very least it is way more socially-oriented than work-oriented.
I knew there was kindness somewhere in the asshole known as DaReaperMan LMFAO (jkjk obviously)
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I'm sorry for contributing to that, I'm not exactly too familiar with how imgur works so I figured it would probably be best if I kept my hands off in that regard. And I'm mainly wanting to question things to both see if they hold up and just to make extra sure on stuff yk? Generally I did come to agree with a majority of the stuff I questioned in the first place, or it became at least a little more plausible like the hypertimeline
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Nah man, don't apologize, you showed up like... weeks within it getting banned. Not on you, so don't worry
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Oh shit, really? Guess I couldn’t help out with that even if I wanted to
I did some good work though, so hopefully that suffices
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That's absurd of them. I had no idea about that.
Don't hurry yourself on this stuff. Your wellbeing will always be more important than Not that, so rest and live for as long as you can.
ShakeResounding
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The outpouring of support from you guys is... it's all very touching and truly the epitome of incredible. God I am so lucky to have y'all, you guys ******* ROCK and I love you all!
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To clear up any confusion, they did it for the U.K.; literally just up and axed it.
<3
Nah man don't worry, you did help a lot.Oh shit, really? Guess I couldn’t help out with that even if I wanted to
I did some good work though, so hopefully that suffices
I'm realizing that comment may have been taken by people I didn't intend to affect. I'm sorry for that, Mugen!
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