One Piece new chapter spoilers thread

[SlendVeny]

I don't think Garp is a fundamentally bad person, but I do think he's WRONG.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I don't like that he always threw luffy in a jungle when he was like 9 years old

 

[SlendVeny]

I don't like that he always threw luffy in a jungle when he was like 9 years old

He loves child abuse

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Sh*t eating grin
(I didn't make this edit of the image)

 

[Heoj]

my problem with garp is that now that oda is finally giving us dragons perspective and we see him waste no time after god valley and start the revolutionary army at 17, compared to garp whos a grown ass man acting surprised that his organisation is committing genocide and he just chooses to sit around raising coby, like im sorry but i cant respect garps perspective at all.

lets say in the future garp grows too old and he cant fight, but now coby is a strong good guy admiral, cool cool thats cute, we know coby will do good things, but neither garp or coby are doing jack shit to what actually matters so its all pointless in the end (the world government)

the idea that garp raising the young marines to be good is cool, but the revolutionary army are doing the exact same thing as we see in lulusia, they give the voiceless a voice and weapons and training to further strengthen the revolutionary army, thats what the revolutionary army have always been doing

anyways, garp slander memes are deadass the funniest agenda piece out there, better than mihawk slander

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Sengoku tells us that Garp despises the CDs and refuses to get promoted because of that. If he were fine with the manhunts he wouldn't be so gung ho about not serving a CD no matter what.

Even Sakazuki/Akainu, one of the more hardline and ruthless marines, dislikes the nobles (Having a heated argument with the Five Elders to their face for undermining the Marines by helping Doflamingo fake his Warlord resignation, calling Cipher Pol the Celestial Dragons' puppet). Garp criticizes the CDs either behind their back or symbolically by refusing promotion.

Ryokugyu seems to be the only notable marines who actually likes the CD. But at the end of the day, part of a marine's job is to serve and protect the CD (at least as a necessary evil to maintain the World Government and prevent greater chaos) and most will fall in line; Kizaru killed his best friend because he recieved direct orders from the Five Elders to eliminate him, Garp best attempt at preventing his adopted grandson's execution is pretending to be knocked out by Luffy hoping that he rescues Ace on his behalf.

Garp allows himself more room for technicalities by refusing promotion, but that requires less courage/heroism/defiance than some of the marines we've seen. For example, Fujitora fought his fellow admiral Ryokugyu to help the Revolutionary Army free CD slaves.

The only way Garp can redeem himself and live up to the original hype, after we were shown the extent of the CD's evil and corruption, is if he secretly doing long-term preparations for a military coup against the nobles.

 

[Legion350]

Garp is very flawed, and I think disagree with how he has handled things as a character. But, yeah the slander of Garp as pro-slavery or pro-celestial dragon is ridiculous. I think it’s fine to criticize what he’s done, but I disagree with calling his behavior performative.

It’s interesting that that Dragon was able to leave the marines after God Valley, but he was in a different position than Garp. He was a recruit who saw the carnage firsthand. Meanwhile, during God Valley, Garp was already a Vice Admiral, and only saw the aftermath. He was already entrenched into the marines, so it makes sense [even though I disagree from actions] that he believes he could change the marines from the inside. Comparing Garp vs Dragon here, Garp would have gotten a shit-ton of more heat if he left like his son did.

Also, to the point about how Garp is dumb for not knowing, I would saya few things. Garp is similar to Luffy with how he can be carefree and dumb at times.

As readers we can see/know a lot more than individual characters do. So I can see how he would not realize the full extent of the Celestial Dragon rot. And from what we’ve seen from Sengoku, it’s also possible that they assign Garp on missions as far away from Celestial Dragons as possible. Keep in mind, it’s also a huge planet with marines across the world, how much has Garp personally interacted with any Celestial Dragons.

Garp is part of the larger Oda problem of offscreen legendary moments/characters. Shanks only started getting active recently after decades [from the readers perspective], Mihawk hasn’t had a serious fight that we’ve seen. Even Blackbeard is still mysterious. I think Garp’s opposition falls into that category, he isn’t the narrative focal point, and we don’t know the extent to how much he opposes the CD. Hell, Garp and Dragon haven’t even interacted yet.

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

I keep seeing this statement and it's so true. People say they want more complicated, flawed characters, but in reality a lot of people can't really handle complicated, flawed characters.

 

[RoyGundam]

Who is Garp trying to perform to? Bogard?

Himself

 

[RoyGundam]

the same portege that don't know what they wanna do in life and instead actively following and supporting an actual evil crew? That one?

Blackbeard is objectively less evil than the World Government and the marines

 

[RoyGundam]

Garp is very flawed, and I think disagree with how he has handled things as a character. But, yeah the slander of Garp as pro-slavery or pro-celestial dragon is ridiculous. I think it’s fine to criticize what he’s done, but I disagree with calling his behavior performative.

He has done nothing

 

[RoyGundam]

Also, to the point about how Garp is dumb for not knowing, I would saya few things. Garp is similar to Luffy with how he can be carefree and dumb at times.

Sengoku literally spells it out to him in this chapter. Both about the repeated genocides, and the fact that marines slaughter citizens of unafilliated countries with impunity (as he sees it happen in real time in front of him). Garp is a person who turned a blind eye to several genocides committed by the military force he is a leading member of. That is evil behavior

There's no other words for it

 

[RoyGundam]

I keep seeing this statement and it's so true. People say they want more complicated, flawed characters, but in reality a lot of people can't really handle complicated, flawed characters.

You get me wrong. I hate the character (Garp), but I do think he's very well-written. Garp, more than anyone else, is a rich source of drama in the story because he is so conflicted, paradoxical, human even. I suspect he will have a big confrontation with Dragon at some point in the story, and that will be a peak One Piece moment.

If Garp were not a well-written and interesting character, this spirited back-and-forth debate could not have happened.

 

[SlendVeny]

Blackbeard is objectively less evil than the World Government and the marines

I'm ngl, this is absolutely true and a lot of people refuse to acknowledge it. Blackbeard's crew is himself, Burgess D. Rat, a guy whose most famous action is torturing prisoners, a guy who shoots people and animals for fun, a violent dictator, a former cop who's engaged in police brutality countless times, a serial killer, some other high-level criminal, a sex offender, a guy whose favorite activity is feeding people explosives, Kuzan, a horse, and now a swampy little freak who loves to kidnap people and sell them as slaves.

And they are still not as bad as the Celestial Dragons.

Also, note that 4 of them were previously in government positions.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Blackbeard is objectively less evil than the World Government and the marines

Doesn't matter, Garp doesn't doesn't support or help them while aokiji does directly

Garp himself at least helps people... Aokiji does the opposite by helping blackbeard.

 

[RoyGundam]

Doesn't matter, Garp doesn't doesn't support or help them while aokiji does directly

Garp at least helps people... Aokiji does the opposite by helping blackbeard.

Garp turns a blind eye as the world government and the Marines liquidate numerous islands, kill civilians of unaffiliated nations with impunity, and extort tribute from affiliated nations.

Aokiji also does not personally participate in the shitty behaviour of his fellow crewmates. All we have seen him do as a part of the Blackbeard crew are: 1. Raid a rival Yonko's territory
2. Fight against Marines invading their home base

 

[SlendVeny]

Garp turns a blind eye as the world government and the Marines liquidate numerous islands, kill civilians of unaffiliated nations with impunity, and extort tribute from affiliated nations.

Aokiji also does not personally participate in the shitty behaviour of his fellow crewmates. All we have seen him do as a part of the Blackbeard crew are: 1. Raid a rival Yonko's territory
2. Fight against Marines invading their home base

3. Stop Doflamingo from murdering Smoker

 

[Kachon123]

3. Stop Doflamingo from murdering Smoker

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Garp turns a blind eye as the world government and the Marines liquidate numerous islands, kill civilians of unaffiliated nations with impunity, and extort tribute from affiliated nations.

Prove that, and if this is your take than you would need to have the same view on every single marine for also "turning a blind eye"

Aokiji also does not personally participate in the shitty behaviour of his fellow crewmates. All we have seen him do as a part of the Blackbeard crew are: 1. Raid a rival Yonko's territory
2. Fight against Marines invading their home base

He literally helps them directly... Helping them raid, supporting them and their success... The same people that will hurt and kill people...

The hypocrisy from you is insane.

 

[Antvasima]

Aokiji doing bad things does not justify Garp doing other bad things, and vice versa.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

that's not the point...

Garp also has not done anything bad intentionally... You can't blame Garp to what the government is doing

 

[Antvasima]

You can blame a person of great power with the ability and opportunity to make a genuine difference for just doing nothing for several decades while his superiors are engaging in extreme tyranny, slavery, and serial-genocide, yes.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I'm not even trying to defend garp, I personally think his decisions are wrong but he's 100000000% not evil or bad... Nor has he done any evil or bad

The problem here is the mindset people in general have via their view on garp.

You can blame a person of great power with the ability and opportunity to make a genuine difference for just doing nothing for several decades while his superiors are engaging in extreme tyranny, slavery, and serial-genocide, yes.

No you definitely cannot... He does not have enough power to do that nor does he even know the details of everything (Like what happened on God vally without him knowing)

You also cannot say he does nothing, he at least does good in the very situations that he's in... He will save marines, save people and capture bad people, him not going after the superiors doesn't mean it's his fault that the bad that his superior does reflects on him

 

[Antvasima]

I very strongly disagree. Garp very much had the opportunity to join his son in revolution, rather than continuously act as a shield for the most reprehensible people in the world, but I doubt that we can reach an agreement here.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Also if garp even tried to step up... It would be another zephyr moment

or he risks his own branch to die

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I very strongly disagree. Garp very much had the opportunity to join his son in revolution, rather than continuously act as a shield for the most reprehensible people in the world, but I doubt that we can reach an agreement here.

and has his Son done anything over the years? What does being a revolutionary if you can't even achieve it, your just wasting your time then and ALSO "turning a blind eye" against the bad that's happening in the world

 

[Antvasima]

Who cares? Everybody in the revolutionary army are also greatly risking their lives, and Garp could be of great help to them, and enlist likeminded marines to also help them.

 

[Antvasima]

and has his Son done anything over the years? What does being a revolutionary if you can't even achieve it, your just wasting you time then and ALSO "turning a blind eye" against the bad that's happening in the world also

He is doing his best to save and free the world. Should we all just sit on our hands and give up while genocidal supremacist tyrants are completely destroying the world and enslaving everybody? Not much is going to happen if nobody does their part. In fact everything is going to go to hell and humanity and most animal species go extinct if everybody just give up and actively help the most genuinely evil people in existence.

Heck even I am risking my life through my Wikipedia work. The Israeli and United States governments definitely do not like what I have been doing there.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

He is doing his best to save the world. Should we all just sit on our hands and give up while genocidal supremacist tyrants are completely destroying the world and enslaving everybody? Not much is going to happen if nobody does their part,

I'd rather save people than go after governments... That's a whole system you're going up against... Unless you actually have the power, you're expecting someone to do the impossible

Heck even I am risking my life through my Wikipedia work. The Israeli and United States governments definitely do not like what I have been doing there.

This is definitely a big stretch... They most likely are not paying attention to you nor are you risking your life, there are actual people that are risking their lives going directly against governments, saying you're in the same boat as them isn't really a good look

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Who cares? Everybody in the revolutionary army are also greatly risking their lives, and Garp could be of great help to them, and enlist likeminded marines to also help them.

So basically start a war where your going against immortals... Mmm definitely smart

Even if they weren't immortals, there would be war and way more casualties would happen, which would be worse than the "games" the celestial dragons were doing

 

[Antvasima]

I'd rather save people than go after governments... That's a whole system you're going up against... Unless you actually have the power, you're expecting someone to do the impossible

Garp does have sufficient power to help make a difference if he collaborates with others.

This is definitely a big stretch... They most likely are not paying attention to you nor are you risking your life, there are actual people that are risking their lives going directly against governments, saying you're in the same boat as them isn't really a good look

It is unfortunately not an exaggeration. I would rather not go into further details, but there has been absolutely massive news media, social media, and government attention regarding the issues I have been heavily involved in there. Unfortunately, sufficiently controversial Wikipedia editors very much can be monitored, found, and assassinated by intelligence agencies such as Mossad and the CIA. I am well aware of that, and am trying to do the morally right thing anyway.

 

[Antvasima]

So basically start a war where your going against immortals... Mmm definitely smart

Even if they weren't immortals, there would be war and way more casualties would happen, which would be worse than the "games" the celestial dragons were doing

They are enslaving the entire world, are committing serial-genocides, and plan to commit omnicide on everybody except themselves. It doesn't seem "smart" to just bow down and let them continue. Haven't you learned any positive impressions as a One Piece reader?

 

[Damage3245]

What if after this flashback we learned that the Native Hunting Competition was never carried out again after the God Valley Incident, in part because Garp said he'd personally throw down if he learned about something like that taking place? (As far as I'm aware we're not told that the competition is an ongoing thing up to the current day)

Would that change things?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Garp does have sufficient power to help make a difference if he collaborates with others.

He also has the sufficient power to stop bad criminals and directly save people around the world

It is unfortunately not an exaggeration. I would rather not go into further details, but there has been absolutely massive media, social media, and government attention regarding the issues I have been heavily involved in there. Unfortunately, sufficiently controversial Wikipedia editors very much can be monitored, found, and assassinated by intelligence agencies. I am well aware of that, and am trying to do the right thing anyway.

Mmm well I hope everything goes well and your safe, even if it might or might not be true

They are enslaving the entire world, are committing serial-genocides, and plan to commit omnicide on everybody except themselves. It doesn't seem "smart" to just bow down and let them continue. Haven't you learned any positive impressions as a One Piece reader?

The thing is... By doing good you aren't just "bowing down and letting them continue", Luffy himself is a perfect example of that... He isn't a revolutionary but goes against any bad that's happening within his situation, to the point it's affecting the government... And now it's come to the point where he's actually being targeted by them...

Now I don't have super families like that or a crew to where I will risk my life or risk my families life and try to achieve the impossible by directly going against the government

I have learnt everything I need to learn from One Piece

If I were to try and learn anything tho, it would be from the Bible

 

[Antvasima]

What if after this flashback we learned that the Native Hunting Competition was never carried out again after the God Valley Incident, in part because Garp said he'd personally throw down if he learned about something like that taking place? (As far as I'm aware we're not told that the competition is an ongoing thing up to the current day)

Would that change things?

Let's wait and see.

 

[Hasty12345]

You can blame a person of great power with the ability and opportunity to make a genuine difference for just doing nothing for several decades while his superiors are engaging in extreme tyranny, slavery, and serial-genocide, yes.

Imu is about to take on 3 of the 5-6 strongest combatants alive in a host body… Garp in actuality isn’t all that powerful. So I don’t necessarily think that’s fair.

 

[Legion350]

I'm ngl, this is absolutely true and a lot of people refuse to acknowledge it. Blackbeard's crew is himself, Burgess D. Rat, a guy whose most famous action is torturing prisoners, a guy who shoots people and animals for fun, a violent dictator, a former cop who's engaged in police brutality countless times, a serial killer, some other high-level criminal, a sex offender, a guy whose favorite activity is feeding people explosives, Kuzan, a horse, and now a swampy little freak who loves to kidnap people and sell them as slaves.

And they are still not as bad as the Celestial Dragons.

Also, note that 4 of them were previously in government positions.

That’s a bit philosophical. I personally I think on average the Blackbeard Pirates are a lot more evil than a lot of the World Government, but collectively it’s roughly equivalent. The Celestial Dragons are in their own ballpark of evil though. The big difference is that the WG has the power to do actions on a larger scale.

It’s difficult to directly compare their types of evil. Most of the horrific acts commit, they do directly. While the WG is so large that many most of the members will not know the extent of the corruption and depravity. It’s like comparing their worst murderers in history to the most brutal governments. That’s part of why the WG is so terrifying.

They don’t have an army of sadists, but can manipulate the people into dehumanizing their enemies.

 

[SlendVeny]

and has his Son done anything over the years? What does being a revolutionary if you can't even achieve it, your just wasting your time then and ALSO "turning a blind eye" against the bad that's happening in the world

Revo slander is insane. What did Dragon do? Oh, I don't know, commanded the entire army? What did the army do?

The Revolutionary Army overthrew the Sorbet Kingdom before they even became the Revolutionary Army. Then they went around fighting the World Government and aiding civilians.

Then they saved a bunch of innocent people, including children like Sabo, in Gray Terminal, from being shot to death or burned alive by the government, with Dragon and everyone then training Sabo.

Then Kuma went in and freed the Tumi kingdom.

Then Dragon was brought up at a Reverie and referred to as a threat to the World Government as a whole. Curious if this is someone who isn't doing anything.

Then Ivankov and Inazuma formed Newkama Land in Impel Down, which later lead to the turning of the tide in Impel Down and Marineford.

Then they freed Vira. Then Dragon saved Luffy, possibly twice, in Loguetown.

Then three of their lower-level officers were attacked by CP9, who killed them and 20 innocent people, which is very unfortunate, but didn't end up being a setback.

Then they freed the country of Centaurea.

Then the Revos freed all the government-owned slaves at Tequila Wolf and saved Robin, who they trained over the timeskip.

Then Sabo's group got the Flame Fruit and helped save Dressrossa and reveal Doflamingo's arms dealings.

Then, the Blackbeard Pirates attacked and destroyed the main base and they immediately came back with minimal setback.

Then they saved Lulusia from invading pirates.

Then they saved Kuma and a bunch of other slaves, fought the Admirals and a bunch of other Marines and guards, discovered the true ruler of the world, destroyed the Celestial Dragons' food supplies, declared war on them, and cut off the supply lines to Marie Geiose. Simultaneously, they caused TWELVE NATIONS to revolt against the World Government at the same time, eight of which were complete successes.

They managed to get a bit of repairs in on Kuma, but he ran away.

They're currently cutting off Marie Geiose's supply lines, attacked an underworld trading group that was sending them supplies, and someone has currently SET THE WHOLE PLACE ON FIRE, and I think it just might be the group that has a Flame user.

 

[SlendVeny]

What if after this flashback we learned that the Native Hunting Competition was never carried out again after the God Valley Incident, in part because Garp said he'd personally throw down if he learned about something like that taking place? (As far as I'm aware we're not told that the competition is an ongoing thing up to the current day)

Would that change things?

If things were different, I agree they would be different.

 

[SlendVeny]

That’s a bit philosophical. I personally I think on average the Blackbeard Pirates are a lot more evil than a lot of the World Government, but collectively it’s roughly equivalent. The Celestial Dragons are in their own ballpark of evil though. The big difference is that the WG has the power to do actions on a larger scale.

No. The Celestial Dragons ARE the World Government. They own it. A LITERAL DEMON runs the World Government.

It’s difficult to directly compare their types of evil. Most of the horrific acts commit, they do directly. While the WG is so large that many most of the members will not know the extent of the corruption and depravity. It’s like comparing their worst murderers in history to the most brutal governments. That’s part of why the WG is so terrifying.

They don’t have an army of sadists, but can manipulate the people into dehumanizing their enemies.

They do have an army of sadists. Imu is literally turning entire populations into demons that love nothing more than to kill and eat people.