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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

Bro, under very specific conditions can he surpass RHCP. 99% of the time he's slower, also because of RHCP.
And it's JUST him, every other character is sub lightspeed in part 4 excluding jotaro and rohan. Koichi, Okuyasu, Kira, etc. All sublight, and all because of RHCP.
So do we say that Paco is FTL for blitzing Rohan...

And speaking of Paco (well, team Jodio all together), it's interesting to have quite the large team with only 2 of them having outright combat oriented stands. Jodio and Paco of course; Dragona isn't at all a fighter with how weak Smooth Operators is, Usagi's THE MATTE KUDASAI is very situational, and Charming Man's BIGMOUTH STRIKES AGAIN is only a supporting stand that leads Charming to do the physical work himself
 
So do we say that Paco is FTL for blitzing Rohan...
No, mostly because it'd be an outlier atm even if he did (For now anyway, it could change, probably will change, we've been getting better speed feats).
But because it'd like a 40-50 year old Rohan, who doesn't seem to even be on par with classic (HD in Part 9 seems to be around stage 2 of classic).
Atm I'd just scale Paco off his own shit which is MHS atm, maybe higher as a possibly.
And speaking of Paco (well, team Jodio all together), it's interesting to have quite the large team with only 2 of them having outright combat oriented stands. Jodio and Paco of course; Dragona isn't at all a fighter with how weak Smooth Operators is, Usagi's THE MATTE KUDASAI is very situational, and Charming Man's BIGMOUTH STRIKES AGAIN is only a supporting stand that leads Charming to do the physical work himself
Charming Man is odd because he can regenerate via his Stand. He's done so twice, in the newest chapter he managed to heal his sternum being crushed. That's probably why when they split up, Jodio and Paco aren't together, as they're the two combat Stands so one of them has to be in of the two groups to act as a means of offense and defense.
 
No, mostly because it'd be an outlier atm even if he did (For now anyway, it could change, probably will change, we've been getting better speed feats).
But because it'd like a 40-50 year old Rohan, who doesn't seem to even be on par with classic
Fair enough, though it does seem like Paco is the speedster of the group with how he also blitzed Ningbo, so I don't doubt there'll be more speed feats for him.
(HD in Part 9 seems to be around stage 2 of classic).
Does it? I thought Rohan had to draw it out and that this instance was just artistic liberty, unless I'm forgetting the moment in part 9
Atm I'd just scale Paco off his own shit which is MHS atm, maybe higher as a possibly.
Is that for the Glory Days bullets or NR's rain?
Charming Man is odd because he can regenerate via his Stand. He's done so twice, in the newest chapter he managed to heal his sternum being crushed. That's probably why when they split up, Jodio and Paco aren't together, as they're the two combat Stands so one of them has to be in of the two groups to act as a means of offense and defense.
True, but it means that in VS Matches Jodio and Paco are going to have to hard carry if their team is to not be shredded
 
No, mostly because it'd be an outlier atm even if he did (For now anyway, it could change, probably will change, we've been getting better speed feats).
But because it'd like a 40-50 year old Rohan, who doesn't seem to even be on par with classic (HD in Part 9 seems to be around stage 2 of classic).
Atm I'd just scale Paco off his own shit which is MHS atm, maybe higher as a possibly.
Give them FTL off Old Rohan keeping up with Pucci...
 
Does it? I thought Rohan had to draw it out and that this instance was just artistic liberty, unless I'm forgetting the moment in part 9
He shouldn't ever, also he had to actively make contact with the squad to initiate HD. Normally a gesture is enough. Artistic liberty also don't work given that's like, why he lost kinda.
Is that for the Glory Days bullets or NR's rain?
NR rain and also Paco has just been doing some shit himself past few chapters involving stauting and ******* with gunfire.
Idk if we can actually scale Paco to NR rain atm because NR hard blitzed Charming Man, like crippled him as he was plunging the blade into Jodio's throat, statued him.

Glory Day stuff isn't exactly a feat, though they do react to non-slowed gunfire a few times, it's just supersonic.
True, but it means that in VS Matches Jodio and Paco are going to have to hard carry if their team is to not be shredded
nobody makes matches with a whole team.
 
He shouldn't ever, also he had to actively make contact with the squad to initiate HD. Normally a gesture is enough. Artistic liberty also don't work given that's like, why he lost kinda.

NR rain and also Paco has just been doing some shit himself past few chapters involving stauting and ******* with gunfire.
Though it's only burst speed right? If Paco could constantly fight as fast as he blitzes people, Ningbo would be long dead. Or, dead sooner.
Idk if we can actually scale Paco to NR rain atm because NR hard blitzed Charming Man, like crippled him as he was plunging the blade into Jodio's throat, statued him.
How fast is NR actually? I know the rain being controlled by funky gravity manipulation makes things super fast, but is it quantified?
Glory Day stuff isn't exactly a feat, though they do react to non-slowed gunfire a few times, it's just supersonic.

nobody makes matches with a whole team.
It will be me! I'll get those matches done! ....When I actually find someone able to quantify the tectonic push in Mashle (never)
 
Though it's only burst speed right? If Paco could constantly fight as fast as he blitzes people, Ningbo would be long dead. Or, dead sooner.
Does bro not know?
How fast is NR actually? I know the rain being controlled by funky gravity manipulation makes things super fast, but is it quantified?
I can quantify it but it varies between scenes, there's no "it's this fast", it changes.
 
Does bro not know?
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I can quantify it but it varies between scenes, there's no "it's this fast", it changes.
Welp, gonna take a guess and say that it's maximum reaches MHS speeds, if not close to rel?
 
Bro he died like a few chapters ago. He got mauled so bad that it's the worst beat down in all of JoJo that wasnt done on someone who is literally immortal like Plat to Dio, and EVEN then.
Welp, gonna take a guess and say that it's maximum reaches MHS speeds, if not close to rel?
MHS is the top atm but the speed needs to be calced every time, you can't just apply a speed from a diff instance. Fall distance effects the velocity, the strength of gravity effects the velocity, there's a bunch of caveats so every single time needs to be calced separately to avoid calc stacking.
 
Bro he died like a few chapters ago. He got mauled so bad that it's the worst beat down in all of JoJo that wasnt done on someone who is literally immortal like Plat to Dio, and EVEN then.
Oh that? Yeah I know that, Paco Hustled Ningbo and he ended up getting low-diffed. That's why I corrected myself to say "dead sooner", since if Paco could fight at blitz speeds then he wouldn't have to worry about getting touched by 200 Balloons.

I mean, unless Ningbo is actually NinGOAT and can fight at such speeds with 200 Balloons
MHS is the top atm but the speed needs to be calced every time, you can't just apply a speed from a diff instance. Fall distance effects the velocity, the strength of gravity effects the velocity, there's a bunch of caveats so every single time needs to be calced separately to avoid calc stacking.
I see, that makes sense. Still, NR is the fastest combat wise among stand users in part 9 so far, yes?

Crazy how so far above the rest of the cast it is....
 
Old Rohan keeping up with Pucci...
wait, that just gave me a nice question:

If Rohan could keep up with Made In Heaven's effect, could we say that Rohan vs. MIH Pucci can happen?
And if it could, would it be a stomp for Rohan or would it be a thinkable fight?
 
wait, that just gave me a nice question:

If Rohan could keep up with Made In Heaven's effect, could we say that Rohan vs. MIH Pucci can happen?
And if it could, would it be a stomp for Rohan or would it be a thinkable fight?
Rohan kept up with an early accel. And that's thinking about it wrong anyway. He didn't "keep" up, he just finished his manuscripts on time.
Anyway no because Rohan would gesture and win.
 
Rohan kept up with an early accel. And that's thinking about it wrong anyway. He didn't "keep" up, he just finished his manuscripts on time.
Anyway no because Rohan would gesture and win.
"You're thinking about it wrong. Rohan has no feats to scale him to even the weakest incarnation of MiH. He only did this, he doesn't scale, Pucci is way faster. Anyway Rohan stomps."

Chariot is literally me.
 
"You're thinking about it wrong. Rohan has no feats to scale him to even the weakest incarnation of MiH. He only did this, he doesn't scale, Pucci is way faster. Anyway Rohan stomps."

Chariot is literally me.
He actually outscales the weakest incarnation of MIH. People using him "keeping up with it" doesn't make sense though because the feat in question doesn't require him to be as fast as MIH or Pucci to do, he effectively just had to finish his manuscripts in like 10 minutes real time, which is something we know he can do anyway.
 
You know you don't need to see HD to activate it right?
Josuke defeated Rohan thanks to the rage making him blind, but I'm aware that there will be some guidebook or spin-off bullshit slop that covers that since you said it as if it was a common sense 🥀
 
Josuke defeated Rohan thanks to the rage making him blind, but I'm aware that there will be some guidebook or spin-off bullshit slop that covers that since you said it as if it was a common sense 🥀
It is common sense because in Part 4 alone he explicitly says he's developed his Stand further and no longer needs people to see his manuscripts, precisely due to his fight with Josuke. He explains this to Koichi when they meet Reimi.
He trains it even further past that to where he can activate the effect by simply pointing at people by July 14th.

And he's now at the point he can use it on like, fried chicken. Shit don't even got be a live anymore.
 
It is common sense because in Part 4 alone he explicitly says he's developed his Stand further and no longer needs people to see his manuscripts, precisely due to his fight with Josuke. He explains this to Koichi when they meet Reimi.
He trains it even further past that to where he can activate the effect by simply pointing at people by July 14th.

And he's now at the point he can use it on like, fried chicken. Shit don't even got be a live anymore.
"Jotaro Kujo is now City Block Level and Class G indisputably."

Oooooooh shiiit, Heaven's Door wrote this on the universe, guess we gotta upgrade Jotaro now....
 
It is common sense because in Part 4 alone he explicitly says he's developed his Stand further and no longer needs people to see his manuscripts, precisely due to his fight with Josuke. He explains this to Koichi when they meet Reimi.
He trains it even further past that to where he can activate the effect by simply pointing at people by July 14th.

And he's now at the point he can use it on like, fried chicken. Shit don't even got be a live anymore.
Okay, but is Rohan with plot manipulation real or nah?
 
Will probably make a Ningbo sandbox, shouldn't be too hard. At most Wall level AP by himself, maybe MHS with 200 Balloons, and some funky matter manipulation with inflation with the usual stand BS? Did I get that right?
 
"Jotaro Kujo is now City Block Level and Class G indisputably."

Oooooooh shiiit, Heaven's Door wrote this on the universe, guess we gotta upgrade Jotaro now....
I can find some cultists on TikTok live to do a ritual for Class G
 
This animation reminds me Baken's Ben vs Jotaro match up, the way everything fits in the matchup he did
 
Thinking about it, how would I word Ningbo's speed? I was going to go with "[insert speed] physically, [MHS] with 200 Balloons", but looking back to the chapters there's some things that trick me up.

1. Does it even make sense for this to be the case?
2. Ningbo doesn't actually fight with 200 Balloons, he does all the fighting himself

And I'm still also confused by how Ningbo went from getting blitzed to.... eh, less blitzed when fighting Paco. More so just outsped.
 
Thinking about it, how would I word Ningbo's speed? I was going to go with "[insert speed] physically, [MHS] with 200 Balloons", but looking back to the chapters there's some things that trick me up.

1. Does it even make sense for this to be the case?
2. Ningbo doesn't actually fight with 200 Balloons, he does all the fighting himself

And I'm still also confused by how Ningbo went from getting blitzed to.... eh, less blitzed when fighting Paco. More so just outsped.
He just kind of took him by surprise, as one tends to do when you have your skull caved in and you like, uh, don't die. Paco still managed to outspeed him even then.
 
He just kind of took him by surprise, as one tends to do when you have your skull caved in and you like, uh, don't die. Paco still managed to outspeed him even then.
What about when Paco entered the room without anybody noticing him? Wasn't that a blitz?

Also props to Ningbo for being a beast in the endurance department, kept fighting even when his head was turned into a U and his head was blown up.
 
was the Multi-city block Stone Free meteor calc replaced because it was an outlier, or because it was wrong?
 
was the Multi-city block Stone Free meteor calc replaced because it was an outlier, or because it was wrong?
We go through this like once a month chat...
Timeframe wrong, (actual timeframe iirc 48 seconds, thanks anime), mass is iffy, she's specifically stated to be amped by pucci in the manga strengthening her stand so the feat as a whole is *****
If you mean the db one, that shit is ****** chat, the mass is inflated by actual 1000x, both because they just like, forgot to convert gs to kg? And because they scaled the panel before she deflected them when they were larger before burning up so two fold *****.
 
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