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Dr. Eggman Tier 2 upgrade
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How so? Like... what antifeats does he have against scalling to the main cast?
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Didn't Base Sonic accelerate through time in Sonic Generations as well? And we see how this is achieved by him just normally running in game, not with any Chaos Powers, meaning he time traveled via his sheer speed. These two evidence combined should hopefully be enough to scale basically everyone to Immeasurable speed
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Those things are usually indexed under conditional stuff. Anyway, we're derailing the CRT, better stop here.
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Yeah you can rescale Eggman's speed in another thread, this is for his AP/Striking Strength.
Dunno.
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Fine with the thread, but this:
If Surge showcased no signs of damage from the attack, then there's no evidence he hurt her.
Means nothing on its own. Eggman would only need the AP required to lift that amount of mass off of himself. And Surge should weigh a similar amount to Sonic (35 Kilo's IIRC).
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If Surge showcased no signs of damage from the attack, then there's no evidence he hurt her.
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Hm. I agree with having an "8-C, at most 2-C" rating instead of a full rating as well.
In an effort to not argue off of vibes, it's at least semi-consistent that Dr. Eggman can pose as a potentially physical threat to lower-tiers and do things that he would be incapable of doing at all without some significant level of strength (Bodying Starline, grabbing and holding onto Tails against his will [albeit it was more a LS matter iirc]). However, I do think a straight rating might be a tad overdoing it.
That's just me though.
In an effort to not argue off of vibes, it's at least semi-consistent that Dr. Eggman can pose as a potentially physical threat to lower-tiers and do things that he would be incapable of doing at all without some significant level of strength (Bodying Starline, grabbing and holding onto Tails against his will [albeit it was more a LS matter iirc]). However, I do think a straight rating might be a tad overdoing it.
That's just me though.
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AP required to lift? Can ya word that better cause it sounds like you're trying to say his legs lifted Surge off instead of kicking her like ten feet back
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Shuffle puts Eggman at scaling to 4-B, instead of 8-C, so yeh
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Personally I also think an possibly or at most to go alongside the high end rating should be fine, the feats are kinda mickey mouse and he's not doing any major damage to them (Like bumping into amy while walking) but they're solid and frequent enough to acknowledge.
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If someone kicked a steel ball that weighed 100 tons at escape velocity, they would get AP from that via KE. Eggman just needs the KE to displace Surge's mass. And she only weighs 30+kg's. Which would only require like, Superhuman AP at most.
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This sounds like a very roundabout way of trying to denying knocking a character back with your attacks as scaling to that character, TBH...
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Because knocking someone back shouldn't have anything to do with AP if the attack isn't shown to harm the character in any fashion?
If you're adamant about that, why not upgrade Boros to roughly Saitama's level for kicking him to the moon?
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This is IDW Sonic. You only get hashtags for damage after prolonged combat. Starline died bloodlessly lol
Believe me I'd absolutely love to, but that's neither here nor there.(Also fairly certain Boros' super attack is like, high-end tier 6 to Low-end tier 5, so it'd probably be considered and ACTUAL outlier for him anyways unlike Eggman who lacks anti-feats.)
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Then showcase Surge with scuff marks which IDW frequently uses to showcase damage. Or Surge going "YOW!" or any other onomatopoeia to showcase she received damage from the attack which IDW also does. Getting knocked back while off-guard and not showcasing any signs of damage or even grunting isn't enough to scale imo. The Starline part is fine. I already said I agree with the CRT. But scaling based off of Surge is a no-no (Especially since it's an amped Surge).
Then maybe we have conflicting ideas of scaling. Sending someone flying who neither reacts to the attack whatsoever nor shows any signs of damage doesn't sound like scaling at all. It sounds like the character has the AP required to displace their mass.
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I am neutral on this thread. More grateful to the fact you replaced some of the missing links if anything.
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Imgchest is your friend. If you want anything from IDW give me a description and I'll get it.
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I agree
This proposal is totally fine too.
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I agree that Eggman should possibly downscale from 2-C due to the Starline feat, but I agree with LaserPrecision that simply knocking Surge back without any indication of her being damaged shouldn't qualify for scaling. I also believe this goes for the Shuffle feat, as Sonic and Amy just seem annoyed by the fact that Eggman bumped into them rather than actually being harmed by it.
So, in short, 8-C, possibly at most 2-C, is my take on this
So, in short, 8-C, possibly at most 2-C, is my take on this
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Amy audibly says "ow". How is that annoyance rather than pain?
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Dr. Starline would probably scale a 2x multiplier below the main cast, he uses the Tricore to battle Shadow and manages to beat him back.
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the most Starline has done without the Tricore is literally grab Tails' Tails and proceed to get bodied.
Without machinery, he's all hax and doing exactly nothing to beat out the rest of the cast Except not dying when they beat his ass when they're pissed at him, like Rouge.
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Oh shit, you're right, sorry, I only saw the section that was time-stamped, my bad
In that case, "4-B, possibly at most 2-C" should be ok
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Yeah, if I didn't already say, I'm fine with the upgrade. I think a straight rating might be fine. He doesn't really have any anti-feats bar Shadow decapitating him with a single chop in a bad ending of Shadow The Hedgehog. But even that you could just argue Shadow being above the other people he harmed so... I think if it should prolly be an "at most" rating tho since he does opt for using weapons when his mechs and stuff stop working over hand to hand (Like when his Omega mech got hacked, he pulled out a laser pistol or whatever that vaped buildings it hit)
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Decapitation sounds rather brutal for a series like Sonic. Got any proof for that instead of Eggman just normally dying from the chop?
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I'd remind that currently Eggman's Durability scales to the low-tier stuff "High 3-A to 2-C", while Shadow is just flat 2-C lol
Also this happens in adventure era.
You realize that's the game where Shadow shoots ******* right? It's Edgy.
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Shadow the Hedgehog (Game)
Shadow the Hedgehog (シャドウ・ザ・ヘッジホッグ, Shadō za Hejjihoggu?) is an anthropomorphic hedgehog and recurring character that has appeared numerous times throughout the Sonic the Hedgehog video game series and its related media, debuting in 2001's Sonic Adventure 2 as the arch-rival of Sonic the...
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Key: Sonic Adventure 2 - Sonic Heroes | Shadow the Hedgehog - Sonic Battle
Tier: 4-B, higher with the Light Speed Attack and with 3 Power Cores, even higher with his Hidden Potential | 4-B, higher with Chaos Energy, far higher with the Shadow Rifle and Hidden Potential
So yeah if anything that'd be something to downgrade Eggman's Adventure Durability or just scale Shadow above him.
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The game was meant to be more brutal than anything before it. That was the point. And Eggman dying either way is brutal. But yes, the fact they cut the screen to black and you hear Eggman screaming as his life is about to be taken away makes it seem evident Shadow was about to decapitate him. That just seems like basic inference tbh.
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Well that is why I said Shadow likely upscales from the people Eggman hurt anyways since this is a Shadow who's stronger than ever as per game material. So he should be above peeps from Shuffle presuming Shuffle takes place before (I can't remember if it does, but I assume it does)
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What feats of scaling does he have to the main cast post adventure other than these? You can’t just make a character who is consistently 4-B via scaling jump to 2-C with no explanation off of an instance of dogging a guy who is like 9-B at best other than not getting instantly killed by 2-C characters, and pushing a 2-C character off of him with there being no onomatopoeia, expression of pain, or visible damage. It is the job of someone making a CRT to prove their idea is correct, not the other way around.
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What ANTI-SCALING is there? The Ice Wall feat? That's like 9-B and applies to his durability too, so it's unusable as an Anti-feat. The Current 8-C feat? That was literally effortless, so it's not an anti-feat.
hell, 4-B literally only has a couple feats to it and one of them didn't even get a sound of pain if that's your scaling requirement, so that's one total 4-B feat. "Consistent" my calcium-filled bony testicles.
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All I’m saying is that a jump from 8-C or 4-B to 2-C should need more than what is presented here.
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Also I have a feeling there’s a bunch of anti feats for the franchise in the IDW comics but I don’t have any issues so I don’t know rn. This is just a hunch tho.
Edit: Omg I looked at the synopsis of the first issue and Sonic and Tails are threatened by Egg Hammers
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Da 3ggman himself. Whats your input on the crtThis wiki ain't real bro
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My ass is NOT boxing up Goku
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What does Goku have to do with u
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2-C EggmanWhat does Goku have to do with u
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