HOTD Scaling Revision

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Introduction

The whole human cast from HOTD scales from the zombies, but some time ago they were downgraded from 9-C to 10-B physically; therefore, we should also downgrade the humans that scale from them.

New Scaling

Important Note:

• The weapons of each character are listed in their respective profiles.

The Characters

The following characters should be 10-B physically, 9-C via weapons as they are normal humans physically with no feats above the average human level, aside from when they are armed:

• Rei (Can kick zombies with enough force to send them back and recoil)
• Saya (Can damage zombies with melee weapons, also with ranged weapons as shown here)
• Yuriko (She is an average grown woman; Can kill zombies with weapons)
• Kohta (He is an average male teenager; Can kill zombies with weapons)
• Takashi (Can physically contend with zombies)

The following characters should be 10-A physically, 9-C via weapons.

• Saeko (She is a top Martial Artist, who get trained in practical application of martial tactics and techniques in actual combat. Can casually stomp the heads of zombies, handling zombies with just one arm, can casually cut a couple of zombies in half)
• Kiriko (She is a Police Officer, who are trained in self-defense and arresting techniques primarily based on the unarmed fighting styles of jūjutsu; Can casually kill zombies with her lance)
• Rika (She is a soldier, who have combat training especially in hand-to-hand combat, bayonet and knife fighting principles)
• Asami (She is a another Police Officer trained in self-defense and arresting techniques primarily based on the unarmed fighting styles of jūjutsu; Can use weapons to kill zombies)

The following characters should be 9-C physically, higher via weapons.

• Souichiro (He is a top Japanese Martial Artist, who get trained in practical application of martial tactics and techniques in actual combat. Can cut off 4 zombie heads with one swing of his katana. Can easily crush skulls, which could yield this much)

Abilities Removal

Given that the zombies are no longer 9-C, the human protagonists (except for Souichiro) will lose the following P&As:

• Peak Human Strength (But they will retain their Peak Human Speed)
• Likely Superhuman Durability
• Superhuman Reflexes and Reactions

Other Downgrades

• Most human characters should have athletic stamina rather than peak human stamina, while characters like Saya, Yuriko, and Kohta should only possess average stamina.
• Saeko need her At least Street level, likely Wall level durability reverted to just Athlete level (Grabbed onto a running motorcycle going full speed without taking any physical damage)

Votes Tally

Agree: DarkDragonMedeus (Agrees with everything including Zombies being outright 9-C), Imaginym (Has doubts about 9-C biting force but agrees with the other stuff), Vietthai96 (Agrees with everything), Maverick Zero X (Agrees with Zombies being outright 9-C), GrathOfLux (Agrees with Zombies being outright 9-C)

Disagree:

Neutral:


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Note: If I missed or misunderstood any opinion from any staff member, just tell me and I will correct it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks fine to me.

 

[GrathOfLux]

The profiles are a bit confusing - it says the zombies are 10-B physically, but 9-C via biting. Why does their biting not scale to their physical statistics?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

The profiles are a bit confusing - it says the zombies are 10-B physically, but 9-C via biting. Why does their biting not scale to their physical statistics?

Like turning them straight to 10-B without the 9-C rating for their teeth?

Btw, what do you think of my proposals?

 

[GrathOfLux]

Like turning them straight to 10-B without the 9-C rating for their teeth?

Btw, what do you think of my proposals?

I'm asking why there's a separation in the first place. I don't know this series - I don't know which ratings are more accurate to their depictions - but I don't see why a feat of decidedly physical strength such as biting would not scale to their physical stats. That's like saying someone is 10-B, but 9-C via punching things.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I'm asking why there's a separation in the first place. I don't know this series - I don't know which ratings are more accurate to their depictions - but I don't see why a feat of decidedly physical strength such as biting would not scale to their physical stats. That's like saying someone is 10-B, but 9-C via punching things.

I see...Then you agree with straight 9-C physically instead of 10-B physically, 9-C with teeth.

 

[GrathOfLux]

If they have consistent 9-C feats of that sort, then yes, they would just be 9-C.

 

[Imaginym]

I was asked to comment here.

The profiles are a bit confusing - it says the zombies are 10-B physically, but 9-C via biting. Why does their biting not scale to their physical statistics?

It is strange. Was it interpreted as piercing or something?

I agree with the other stuff though.

• Saeko (She is a top Martial Artist, , who get trained in practical application of martial tactics and techniques in actual combat. Can casually stomp the heads of zombies, handling zombies with just one arm, can casually cut a couple of zombies in half)

Were any zombie skulls broken?

• Souichiro (He is a top Martial Artist, who get trained in practical application of martial tactics and techniques in actual combat. Can cut off 4 zombie heads with one swing of his katana)

Same question here.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

If they have consistent 9-C feats of that sort, then yes, they would just be 9-C.

I think they only have consistent 10-B feats, IIRC...

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I was not present during the revision, or maybe I was but I definitely do not remember it. But I think it was agreed to treat biting as piercing damage.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

It is strange. Was it interpreted as piercing or something?

Their bite force warrants them 9-C feats like biting humans apart.

Were any zombie skulls broken?

Yes, that''s the only way to kill them.

Same question here.

In this case Souchiro decapitated 4 zombies at the same time.

 

[Imaginym]

Their bite force warrants them 9-C feats like biting humans apart.

Then if it's consistent for that rating to be applied, it should be applied, I guess.

Yes, that''s the only way to kill them.


In this case Souchiro decapitated 4 zombies at the same time.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Crushing_a_Human_Skull

Applicability?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Then if it's consistent for that rating to be applied, it should be applied, I guess.

References for Common Feats

Throughout fiction and real life, there have been numerous feats demonstrating a certain character's or object's destructive power. This page's purpose is to consolidate calculations for those feats for better convenience in determining an object's or character's Attack Potency or Durability...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Applicability?

The human characters, except for Souichiro, can't crush a human skull, as they are more likely to generate cranial trauma with their blows than to straight-up crush the skull.

 

[Imaginym]

The human characters, except for Souichiro, can't crush a human skull, as they are more likely to generate cranial trauma with their blows than to straight-up crush the skull.

Noted. I can't think of much else to say on the matter at this time, then. Sorry if that ain't much help.

 

[Random-Helper323]

The zombies are extremely clumsy and slow, so striking isn't even a thing for them. Their hands have a strong grip, and they can shove through things, but their jaws are definitely their strongest body part. Probably because their clumsiness makes their hands too imprecise.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Zombies are usually portrayed to be physically strong with shitty durability, so 9-C AP with 10-B durability won’t be bad
Any alternative looks fine

 

[SomebodyData]

Zombies are usually portrayed to be physically strong with shitty durability, so 9-C AP with 10-B durability won’t be bad
Any alternative looks fine

This is what I was thinking (so yeah, I'm also supporting the revisions unless any scans can be found suggesting otherwise)

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Noted. I can't think of much else to say on the matter at this time, then. Sorry if that ain't much help.

It's ok, bud. Thank you for participating here.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

The zombies are extremely clumsy and slow, so striking isn't even a thing for them. Their hands have a strong grip, and they can shove through things, but their jaws are definitely their strongest body part. Probably because their clumsiness makes their hands too imprecise.

Zombies are usually portrayed to be physically strong with shitty durability, so 9-C AP with 10-B durability won’t be bad
Any alternative looks fine

Thank you for participating here, and yes, any alternative looks fine.

 

[That_moron2]

Very good work

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Very good work

Thanks!

 

[Vietthai96]

9-C biting is piercing damage, i guess so of course they didn't scale to overall stats

I'm fine with the thread then

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

9-C biting is piercing damage, i guess so of course they didn't scale to overall stats

I'm fine with the thread then

Thank you so much for participating here.

We already have enough staff approvals, right? If so, could this thread be applied after the grace period ends?

 

[HammerStrikes219]

If they have consistent 9-C feats of that sort, then yes, they would just be 9-C.

I honestly don’t remember any of them having consistent 9C feats like at all.

Also I have no clue why the bite of said HOTD zombies is 9C.

Do anyone remember the exact reasoning for zombie’s bites being 9C?

Was it from a calc or something because the attack potency section listed no calcs and only scans of them biting some unfortunate victims in range of their attacks and all.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Also I have no clue why the bite of said HOTD zombies is 9C.

Do anyone remember the exact reasoning for zombie’s bites being 9C?

Was it from a calc or something because the attack potency section listed no calcs and only scans of them biting some unfortunate victims in range of their attacks and all.

The 9-C rating for their bite was accepted in an old thread, IIRC….

 

[Vietthai96]

Thank you so much for participating here.

We already have enough staff approvals, right? If so, could this thread be applied after the grace period ends?

Normally a thread like this 1 thread mod and 1 admin agreement are enough, though let ask @GrathOfLux again, since she is also a participant of this thread and only me and DDM was fine with everything

Random Helper and Kaydee doesn't have voting power so their votes doesn't count.

You listed Imaginym as agree with other stuffs, idk what are those other stuffs

Somebodydata is a retired staff so his vote also don't count

 

[HammerStrikes219]

The 9-C rating for their bite was accepted in an old thread, IIRC….

???

I am confused then because as far as I am aware, there ain’t any calcs being listed for the bite force of a undead zombie that will instantly get them to 9C as I find it odd that the bite force is supposedly 9C without any calculation basis on that front.

 

[Vietthai96]

Iirc, 9-C from biting flesh out was Common Feats for Reference

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

You listed Imaginym as agree with other stuffs, idk what are those other stuffs

I think Imaginym was referring to the rest of the proposals in the thread. That's what I get from his comment…

I was asked to comment here.

I agree with the other stuff though.

 

[Vzearr]

Iirc, 9-C from biting flesh out was Common Feats for Reference

Where?

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Iirc, 9-C from biting flesh out was Common Feats for Reference

Let me double check then.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

References for Common Feats

Throughout fiction and real life, there have been numerous feats demonstrating a certain character's or object's destructive power. This page's purpose is to consolidate calculations for those feats for better convenience in determining an object's or character's Attack Potency or Durability...

vsbattles.fandom.com

So far, I haven’t see ones for bitting flesh here (as far as I can see actually)

 

[Vietthai96]

Where?

Don't ask me, i suck at calc stuff lol

I think Imaginym was referring to the rest of the proposals in the thread. That's what I get from his comment…

I agree with the other stuff though.

Yeah, lol, what is this suppose to mean?

References for Common Feats

Throughout fiction and real life, there have been numerous feats demonstrating a certain character's or object's destructive power. This page's purpose is to consolidate calculations for those feats for better convenience in determining an object's or character's Attack Potency or Durability...

vsbattles.fandom.com

So far, I haven’t see ones for bitting flesh here (as far as I can see actually)

I found a calc blog post about ripping jaw is 9-C+ though idk if it can work here

Common Feat?: Ripping off someone's jaw

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ngl, someone should probably do a calc for zombie ripping flesh out, pretty common feats thing

 

[Vzearr]

found a calc blog post about ripping jaw is 9-C+ though idk if it can work here

No it doesn't.

Ngl, someone should probably do a calc for zombie ripping flesh out, pretty common feats thing

It's hard cause piercing damage is a factor and that's aids to calc.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Don't ask me, i suck at calc stuff lol


Yeah, lol, what is this suppose to mean?

I found a calc blog post about ripping jaw is 9-C+ though idk if it can work here

Common Feat?: Ripping off someone's jaw

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ngl, someone should probably do a calc for zombie ripping flesh out, pretty common feats thing

That calc won’t work since it involves physically removing someone’s jaw off.

We talking about bites into flesh, not ripping off jaws and stuff.

 

[Oiguana2701]

Iirc, 9-C from biting flesh out was Common Feats for Reference

I think there may be something here about that

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yeah, lol, what is this suppose to mean?

That he agrees with the ability removals and the stamina section in OP.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I think there may be something here about that

That has only bitting their own tongue thing unfortunately. We talking about actual human flesh being bitten off by zombies as I am somewhat familiar with that blog.

 

[Vietthai96]

That he agrees with the ability removals and the stamina section in OP.

Oke, thank you, @Apex_Predator_GX you can applies the ability removal and other stuffs i guess. Though the stats need to be on hold since the 9-C stuff are being questioned, and it is valid though, since there is no explanation for that, i was under the impression that it is valid and was accepted

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Iirc, 9-C from biting flesh out was Common Feats for Reference

Apparently the zombies can rip off limbs with their hands.