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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

What Yorozu would be healing in that scene
Minor stomach injury from the kick I guess?

Well we can remove the RCT once anime catches it and if we see better explanation scenerio for that similar to Gojo vs Toji fight where Toji cancels the Red with ISOH. For now from Geges drawing pattern that exactly looks like other RCT cases.
 
Because you are implying that smoke drawing not something only applicable to RCT and it can be something like you are claiming. So burden is on you to prove its not.
This seems like a major burden shift? You haven't established or proven that smoke is used exclusively to portray RCT at all, I don't have to prove anything
Yuta also doesn't show any kind of pain expression when he was using RCT when he was using RCT on his hand against Ryu and Uro fight. So you are gonna say he wasn't hurt that's not RCT? When does using RCT required you to make a expression they are hurt?
Who in the world is talking about a pained expression from using RCT...? Nobody makes a pained expression while using RCT. This is an egregious misunderstanding of my argument. If she got hit, she would react to the hit.
 
This seems like a major burden shift? You haven't established or proven that smoke is used exclusively to portray RCT at all, I don't have to prove anything
I already made a point it's Geges drawing style only shown for RCT unless proven otherwise by you or anyone with other examples. I don't see how this is a burden shift. You are the one who is implying it's not limited to RCT. So it's your burden to prove it. My proof is Geges drawing pattern itself there is nothing more for me to prove. If you disagree bring examples to debunk my arguments that's all.
Who in the world is talking about a pained expression from using RCT...? Nobody makes a pained expression while using RCT. This is an egregious misunderstanding of my argument. If she got hit, she would react to the hit.
When she got hit we only see her back because POV was not shown from her front side. So there is nothing to argue with she showing any reaction from her. You can be hurt while you not moving an inch from the same spot. These are definitely not any excuses to say she wasn't hurt at all.

At best we can only get proper explanation from anime from as far as manga goes it's Geges pattern for drawing RCT. Sukuna is still physically a beast in the verse. I don't think it's far fetched to say he hurt her with a kick.
 
I already made a point it's Geges drawing style only shown for RCT unless proven otherwise by you or anyone with other examples. I don't see how this is a burden shift. You are the one who is implying it's not limited to RCT. So it's your burden to prove it. My proof is Geges drawing pattern itself there is nothing more for me to prove. If you disagree bring examples to debunk my arguments that's all.
Gege's drawing style? That's an incredibly weak argument, and absolutely not enough to assert a universal rule. Every time RCT is used, there's smoke. But that does not automatically mean smoke = RCT. Naobito RCT confirmed?
When she got hit we only see her back because POV was not shown from her front side. So there is nothing to argue with she showing any reaction from her. You can be hurt while you not moving an inch from the same spot. These are definitely not any excuses to say she wasn't hurt at all.
We literally see her dead on, straight from the front, with her turned slightly to her left immediately after the kick. This is just a lie. I'm not going to respond to this.
At best we can only get proper explanation from anime from as far as manga goes it's Geges pattern for drawing RCT. Sukuna is still physically a beast in the verse. I don't think it's far fetched to say he hurt her with a kick.
We have a proper explanation. She blocked it with a metal plate, and the impact left smoke. It being unusual is not proof of RCT, especially when we see her damaged at a multitude of other points and she never uses RCT.
 
Gege's drawing style? That's an incredibly weak argument, and absolutely not enough to assert a universal rule. Every time RCT is used, there's smoke. But that does not automatically mean smoke = RCT. Naobito RCT confirmed?
You haven't established why this is weak arguments in the first place. Everything not needs to be spoon fed.
Also when did Naobito produced a smoke like RCT on his.
We literally see her dead on, straight from the front, with her turned slightly to her left immediately after the kick. This is just a lie. I'm not going to respond to this.
When she got hit we only see her back because POV was not shown from her front side.
Take your time and read others arguments properly next time
Also now you are circling with your arguments from before.
Yuta also doesn't show any kind of pain expression when he was using RCT on his hand against Ryu and Uro fight. So you are gonna say he wasn't hurt that's not RCT? When does using RCT required you to make a expression that they are hurt?
Who in the world is talking about a pained expression from using RCT...? Nobody makes a pained expression while using RCT. This is an egregious misunderstanding of my argument. If she got hit, she would react to the hit.
I addressed that part and you want to go back to your initial arguments.

We have a proper explanation. She blocked it with a metal plate, and the impact left smoke. It being unusual is not proof of RCT, especially when we see her damaged at a multitude of other points and she never uses RCT.
RCT required one of hell of CE and other scenes she was using her Armour which already consumes heavy CE. It's not really a counter. Characters can opt not to use them. Not to mention it's Implied using RCT would weaken her creation stuff in chapter 218.
 
Full quality TCB scans of chapter 4 are out
Too much yap but chapter was great. Also really I'm liking double spread we are getting each chapters. All are great.
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjkmod_4_n_018.png

Also I think Tsurugi is slightly different Maki. Atleast he doesn't need glasses to see Shikigami and Jujutsu
 
Do you guys actually think that the current jjk tiers are accurate?

And if not what tiers should they be at
Inverse? its very bad
Tier wise? its okay-ish, i definitely think top 2 can reach small city/city, and the rest of top tiers, maybe higher into town lvl or large town(never happening btw)
 
You haven't established why this is weak arguments in the first place. Everything not needs to be spoon fed.
Also when did Naobito produced a smoke like RCT on his.
I need to establish why claiming an artistic style without evidence is a weak argument...?
His whole body was smoking in Shibuya. If Smoke = RCT according to you, he has RCT.
Take your time and read others arguments properly next time
Also now you are circling with your arguments from before.
I read you perfectly fine. When she gets hit, she doesn't react. When we see her, she doesn't look hurt or act hurt.
I addressed that part and you want to go back to your initial arguments.
uh... no you didn't? You misunderstood my argument lmao you never actually addressed it
RCT required one of hell of CE and other scenes she was using her Armour which already consumes heavy CE. It's not really a counter. Characters can opt not to use them. Not to mention it's Implied using RCT would weaken her creation stuff in chapter 218.
Construction by itself requires a ton of CE. This isn't proof of anything.

It's not implied RCT would weaken her creation stuff. Positive Energy destroys cursed energy, which and she imbues her created liquid metal with her CE to manipulate it. Sukuna just used positive energy to stop her from controlling it.
 
I need to establish why claiming an artistic style without evidence is a weak argument...?
You still haven't proved a single instance where it was different. Like I said if Gege already shown something is this with his art style you don't need always spoon fed on them
You are acting like Sukuna need to mention he is using cleave everytime he uses his CT by touching others or his dismantle should be mentioned everytime he sends the slashes
His whole body was smoking in Shibuya. If Smoke = RCT according to you, he has RCT.
That was Jogos doing who actually has fire manipulation
I read you perfectly fine. When she gets hit, she doesn't react. When we see her, she doesn't look hurt or act hurt.
If you actually read my arguments perfectly fine you wouldn't be arguing with the scene where she was using her RCt as an excuse to say we can see her face. Like I said we don't see her face when Sukuna kicked her. I already addressed this.

uh... no you didn't? You misunderstood my argument lmao you never actually addressed it
Find it funny how you are going back and forth yet still not tackling where is this need to show pain during RCT usage rule comes from within the verse.
Construction by itself requires a ton of CE. This isn't proof of anything.

It's not implied RCT would weaken her creation stuff. Positive Energy destroys cursed energy, which and she imbues her created liquid metal with her CE to manipulate it. Sukuna just used positive energy to stop her from controlling it.
Basically you are refuting yourself why she can't use RCT and her CT at same time because it would be disadvantage for her.
 
You still haven't proved a single instance where it was different. Like I said if Gege already shown something is this with his art style you don't need always spoon fed on them
You are acting like Sukuna need to mention he is using cleave everytime he uses his CT by touching others or his dismantle should be mentioned everytime he sends the slashes
You haven't provided any evidence that it is besides a vague claim of "art style". That's not proof. You're stating that's how Gege does it every single time without any evidence of such.
That was Jogos doing who actually has fire manipulation
So? You said smoke = RCT. Do you think Kamo has fire manipulation? What about Miguel? Or do you not actually know the manga enough to know what I'm referencing?
If you actually read my arguments perfectly fine you wouldn't be arguing with the scene where she was using her RCt as an excuse to say we can see her face. Like I said we don't see her face when Sukuna kicked her. I already addressed this.
I read your arguments. You didn't read mine, as my last response addresses everything you just said.

Also, just for the sake of driving it home, we do not have to see the character's face to known they were in pain. There are such things as speech bubbles. If she was hurt, there'd have been a reaction.
Find it funny how you are going back and forth yet still not tackling where is this need to show pain during RCT usage rule comes from within the verse.
I find it funny how that's not what I said at all, have clarified myself, and you refuse to NOT strawman me. It's almost like you're not arguing in good faith.
Basically you are refuting yourself why she can't use RCT and her CT at same time because it would be disadvantage for her.
Except that's not at all what would happen? If she had RCT, she'd have to output it onto her metal for her control over the metal to disappear. Are you genuinely a JJK supporter? I'm scared for the verse if you're someone people listen to. You clearly don't understand why Tranquil Deer's positive energy prevented her from controlling her metal.
 
Inverse? its very bad
Tier wise? its okay-ish, i definitely think top 2 can reach small city/city, and the rest of top tiers, maybe higher into town lvl or large town(never happening btw)
ElJoaki5 made a calc recently that Kenny's Max Uzumaki that only used Mahito made a large town level crater (using the anime) and kusakabe blocked it and we know later he (alongside the rest of the cast) got way more durable in prep for the Shinjuku showdown and we know kusakabe doesn't quite stack up with the heavy hitters so, if it ever gets accepted as unlikely as that is on this wiki, large town heavy hitters is possible
 
You haven't provided any evidence that it is besides a vague claim of "art style". That's not proof. You're stating that's how Gege does it every single time without any evidence of such.
I said how Gege does it RCT. Your claim of metal producing smoke is illogical here. You are comparing actual fire manipulation CT to a kick.
So? You said smoke = RCT. Do you think Kamo has fire manipulation? What about Miguel? Or do you not actually know the manga enough to know what I'm referencing?
Send the scans where they produced some smoke similar to RCT.
I read your arguments. You didn't read mine, as my last response addresses everything you just said.
Anyone can read our arguments and see who is lying. You keep trying to say that characters need to show some reaction, but you fail to accept that Yorozu’s POV shifted to Sukuna during the kick, so we couldn’t see how she felt. Later, when she was standing and using RCT, she didn’t need to show a reaction, since it was already the aftermath — and most characters don’t show any reaction in such cases anyway. There’s no rule that they have to.
Also, just for the sake of driving it home, we do not have to see the character's face to known they were in pain. There are such things as speech bubbles. If she was hurt, there'd have been a reaction.
Send me some other scan what type of speech bubbles you are expecting.
I find it funny how that's not what I said at all, have clarified myself, and you refuse to NOT strawman me. It's almost like you're not arguing in good faith.
Go make a downgrade thread at this point if you think you are so right about your arguments.
Except that's not at all what would happen? If she had RCT, she'd have to output it onto her metal for her control over the metal to disappear.
If she applied RCT on herself (with the armor covering her body), it would also affect her metal. It’s not like she’s manipulating some kind of robot externally.

Also, I already said that characters can choose not to use RCT since it costs too much CE — especially in big fights.
Are you genuinely a JJK supporter? I'm scared for the verse if you're someone people listen to. You clearly don't understand why Tranquil Deer's positive energy prevented her from controlling her metal.
No, I’m just a Lobotomy supporter. Obviously, you’ve contributed far more to this verse, so sorry for arguing with you, bro. I’m just a nobody here — I have zero knowledge about this verse. I'll just stop here and wait for your downgrade thread.
 
I said how Gege does it RCT. Your claim of metal producing smoke is illogical here. You are comparing actual fire manipulation CT to a kick.
You are aware that metal can smoke if hit hard enough, right...? Things on the surface of the metal can vaporize? Art style is still not an argument, no matter how many times you repeat it. Him choosing to make RCT produce smoke doesn't equal smoke always being RCT.
Send the scans where they produced some smoke similar to RCT.
Kamo hits Hanami in the head with a blood blade, it smokes. Gojo blocks an attack from Miguel with his hand, and it smokes. Yuji punches Jiro Awasaka and it smokes.
Anyone can read our arguments and see who is lying. You keep trying to say that characters need to show some reaction, but you fail to accept that Yorozu’s POV shifted to Sukuna during the kick, so we couldn’t see how she felt. Later, when she was standing and using RCT, she didn’t need to show a reaction, since it was already the aftermath — and most characters don’t show any reaction in such cases anyway. There’s no rule that they have to.
Most characters... DO react when hurt. This is just not true.
Send me some other scan what type of speech bubbles you are expecting.
Literally any sound effect of a character making a noise or reacting in any way when hurt?
If she applied RCT on herself (with the armor covering her body), it would also affect her metal. It’s not like she’s manipulating some kind of robot externally.
That's actually exactly how it's stated she uses the Liquid Metal. She spawns it then attaches her CE to it to manipulate the metal.
Also, I already said that characters can choose not to use RCT since it costs too much CE — especially in big fights.
This is a non-argument. Her CT uses a lot of CE and she gets severely damaged.
No, I’m just a Lobotomy supporter. Obviously, you’ve contributed far more to this verse, so sorry for arguing with you, bro. I’m just a nobody here — I have zero knowledge about this verse. I'll just stop here and wait for your downgrade thread.
Thanks for agreeing.
 
You are aware that metal can smoke if hit hard enough, right...? Things on the surface of the metal can vaporize? Art style is still not an argument, no matter how many times you repeat it. Him choosing to make RCT produce smoke doesn't equal smoke always being RCT.

Kamo hits Hanami in the head with a blood blade, it smokes. Gojo blocks an attack from Miguel with his hand, and it smokes. Yuji punches Jiro Awasaka and it smokes.

Most characters... DO react when hurt. This is just not true.

Literally any sound effect of a character making a noise or reacting in any way when hurt?

That's actually exactly how it's stated she uses the Liquid Metal. She spawns it then attaches her CE to it to manipulate the metal.

This is a non-argument. Her CT uses a lot of CE and she gets severely damaged.

Thanks for agreeing.
Make the downgrade thread Mr perfect.
 
all this talk about where u got the godtiers when not one discusses the Lifting Strength (important)
I've been looking into that in the background for a while now. Yuji early on has Class K-M stuff (As early on as his first fight with Mahito). Top tiers late into the series have Class G and T stuff.
 
I did a class G calc for Jogo but I'm still trying to figure out a more accurate method

I also have another Class M-G feat for Maki that I could post in some hours
class g before my goat is crazy work.
jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-jotaro-kujo-smh-my-head-gif-22047828.gif
 
I also have another Class M-G feat for Maki that I could post in some hours
Almost Class G, but it's just Class M

EDIT: I realized that I was using building values, so it got a small upgrade. I will look better at it once I get time
You use yield strength for ripping things off the ground. Compressive strength is for crushing smth against the ground. Also yes, Jogo should already be (or damn near) Class G, he can hold Maximum Meteor which has a resting mass that's Class G IIRC. Let alone the force of him jumping with it in his hand. May wanna give that a calc too.

Edit: Shear strength. He slides it off of the ground, doesn't rip it off mb.
Do you have any suggestion of method or value? I have seen suggestions to use tensile strength instead
 
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Almost Class G, but it's just Class M

EDIT: I realized that I was using building values, so it got a small upgrade. I will look better at it once I get time

Do you have any suggestion of method or value? I have seen suggestions to use tensile strength instead
Tensile strength is if you pull smth apart and shear strength is if you slide smth. here is a demonstration of all the "strength's" in application which you can use as reference:
Tension-vs.-Compression-Forces-Effects-on-Metal.webp

Imagine it this way. Compressive strength is crushing a magnet in your hand. Tensile strength is pulling two magnets apart. And shear strength is sliding two magnets apart.
 
Imagine it this way. Compressive strength is crushing a magnet in your hand. Tensile strength is pulling two magnets apart. And shear strength is sliding two magnets apart.
I'm aware of what is shear strength. The thing is, for Jogo to move the buildings, he would need to rip off steel cables infused on concret to move them. These building are not like a cube disconnected from the ground.

If you watch the video, you will even note that most of Jogo's effort in the feat was to even start to move it
 
ElJoaki5 made a calc recently that Kenny's Max Uzumaki that only used Mahito made a large town level crater (using the anime) and kusakabe blocked it and we know later he (alongside the rest of the cast) got way more durable in prep for the Shinjuku showdown and we know kusakabe doesn't quite stack up with the heavy hitters so, if it ever gets accepted as unlikely as that is on this wiki, large town heavy hitters is possible
ye i saw that one
 
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