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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

MichaelCalistro said:
which is why i prefer not to make mostly Dragonball Topics anymore, because the verse is too inconsistent in that point and unfortunately a big part of the fanbase toxic and ignorant. I am saying this as a former DB wanker.
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Okay Michael, if you and your friend that currently helps you write these argument believe that DB topics are too toxic, it might be better to step away from it.

I don’t think it’s healthy to stay in a fanbase that you already believe is bad.
 
MichaelCalistro said:
Thats why i asked you, to make your own argument, because the wall of text is unreadable. Post it, but make your own arguments for, so that it is undestandable works better.
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MichaelCalistro said:
The Wiki isn't for versus debating. It's for indexing first and foremost. The debating is a nice after effect and perk from indexing. Hence things like "Non-Combat Applicable Light Manipulation," and whatnot. It's about being an accurate chronicle of abilities.

The Wiki has its own board where Versus Debates happened and where it is later also added to the profile who has won or losed against someone else. You can use it under the given rules that you add it to the rules in a thread, but no one here is forced to accept it, as it is more unreasonable when it comes to Terms like Hyperversal, Outerversal, and so on.
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MichaelCalistro said:
Arale messes with a lot of the nature of reality, so I'm not sure what you're arguing against. That said, I have no real reference for Doctor Slump, so I can't say what is and isn't valid.

I mean her being abstract when she isn´t given under the circumstances that she has a physical, literal non-abstract body. And here is by the way the issue, you posted a list of her powers, abilities and resistance but how you can be sure that everything is backed up? They do revisions/crts all the time to correct mistakes, or do worse. And then again, what makes her profile on VSB right, but for example not in All Fiction Battles, Top Strongest Wiki, Anime Character Battle Wiki, OBD, Character Stats and Profile Wiki, etc.? Like they all have dependent Metas they are follow and we as a board are not doing that. You have the freedom to argue a character like Zeno further, ofc with the given evidence. You also have the freedom to argue a character like him below said level. It always works by evidence. I sometimes uses the Wiki Profiles as reference, but i ofc put it always in question as a lot is outdated, or taken out of context.
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MichaelCalistro said:
Again, the Wiki is meant for Indexing, not Debating. We just happen to do both. If you believe Arale doesn't actually manipulate plot, make a CRT.

Why should i make a CRT, when it isn´t even proven "here" in the first place? You bring their takes here, so make your arguments for here. But then you said:

Why would she have done that in Dragon Ball? She's only ever appeared in Dragon Ball as crossovers and cameos, all of which have her scale above the Dragon World (even DBS Goku). That feat is from Doctor Slump, (her actual story), not Dragon Ball.

Then why people using her for scaling? Like when i mentioned Dragonball you brought up Arale as if she is relevant for the debate in the first place. Her most powerful stuff she shows in Dr. Slump and the best thing i remember so far she did in DBS was she split the earth in some way.

I have no idea what Gravity Drain is. Assuming it affects Gravity, due to the name, if Arale resists Gravity Manip separately from that, then she'd walk it off. If she doesn't, she doesn't, but would have the opportunity to manipulate the plot to prevent herself from being harmed by it (given she gets narrative precognition according to her profile).

Sure if she has resistance to it, then it should work. Or assuming she by physiology isn´t bound by gravity, such things also exist ofc.
As for what Gravity Drain is, see it as a power that drains/steal powers with gravity out of the opponent. In fact Ziggy even modifiy and uses a superior version of the powers he stole.

Why would we? Nothing that happens in Doctor Slump happens in Dragon Ball. Her setting ignores the Dragon World for the most part. And making assumptions on how the Dragon World affects Penguin Village would be extremely bad practice, considering how her setting operates.

Ok, so then again. Why did you include Arale in our debate before, when i was talking about Dragonball, if you separate her? Maybe i understand you wrong.

Read the blog.

I prefer your words and credibility over the Blog from the board/wiki. See it as a gesture of respect for the debate, because i will never throw some blog from another Wiki to you and force you to read it. That is the same with the people who post a 40 minute Dragonball Explanation Video from YT, instead of making arguments.

Only Zeno is 5-D (currently).

By power, or by existence?

Arale can tank attacks from SSB Goku, so assuming she's planet level makes no sense. Also, she's likely above Zeno as far as I'm aware. The only reason Beerus is cited to be dangerous to Arale is because he explicitly (in vague terms) is said to negate gag powers. And even then, it's questionable because Beerus was beat by a gag of him needing to poop. (Implying that's actually not the case).

Ok, then atleast in this point we both share the same view.

Plot Manip is an accepted ability that can do virtually anything, even nonsense, so it doing this isn't a valid counterargument unless you have sufficient reason to believe that there's missing context (and as I don't read Doctor Slump and the profile hasn't really been kept up with for awhile, if you prove it, you got it), or changing how Plot Manip works wiki-wide.

It is not accepted everywhere, but i tell you what. It depends on the debater you face here. Some will go along with and some doesn´t. There is no right or wrong in which Meta is used, although i prefer a more reasonable one. The same wiki brought also the Reality>Fiction nonsense.

It is not my job to prove the Wiki wrong or right, as they have no say here. You also said you don´t read Dr. Slump which makes the debate even more questionable, because we both should expect to know both verses. Don´t tell me you blindly take some VSB descriptions about a verse you don´t know for 100% accurate.


If the Plot Manip grants you a resistance in your story, then you have that resistance. You have to prove that the Profile is using the instance incorrectly or change how Plot Manip works to say otherwise.

You can only prove given resistance by feats or physiology. Like Arale can´t be killed by death Manipulation because she is a robot. (Unless we talk about some narrative killing shit) You can´t automatically give resistance to everything as that needs evidence in the first place. Resisting Plot manipulation, doesn´t mean you can´t be killed by Instant Death spells, as in a neutral battleground between two characters inverse mechanics are off. Make the fight like in Dr. Slump will be the only argument, or equalize the systems.

And no, i am still not forced to accept a wall of text blog, nor to read it. It work that way:

  1. We both start a debate
  2. You make an argument and of course back it up with evidence by scans or a short summary
  3. I have either to counter those arguments with evidence from my side, or i accept it.
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No, yeah, you're doing the exact thing that the JohnCenaNation guy did. Copying and pasting arguments between users of different forums to make them proxy debate for you.
 
Only in a VSB Dragon Ball thread can you be viewed negatively for having a several sentence, well constructed point of view (whether you think it right or wrong rhetoric) and responding in intricate and attentive ways to insure full clarity and communication between yourself and the person you're talking to.
 
StekFence said:
Hey, I just enjoy having something to read personally
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Unironically, I like it far more if you're responding with MORE instead of LESS. it tells me you're actually deeply thinking about the content of my argument, and genuinely considering it to a degree that--If I respond in ways that are well-backed up and logically proves my point--Can and WILL convince you. It also fosters better discussion and far deeper understanding between ideas. Plus, I like reading anyway, so it's a bonus regardless.
 
Yeah I can agree with that. Plus quoting everything bit by bit naturally makes it more digestible so it’s hard to mind it as being too overwhelming. I mean sometimes it’s stonewalling but usually not
 
Debate side, um who wants to do Arale vs Goku battle thread? Aside from their brief scuffle in DBS, I actually wanted to know who would win in a serious fight if we take their strongest ilteration.
 
Ngl the 5-D stuff would be a lot easier with the Dimension of Swirling Lights or something, that way Krillin doesn't scale to 5-D.
 
RedReaper616 said:
So are going to pretend that you weren't just trying to have a cross-form proxy debate, or...?

Because every time I've brought it up, you've ignored me pointing it out.
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As two famous men once said "everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts", in the end no one is truly right or wrong since we are not God here and "every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts". I guess I will just apologize for my sin and simply accept everyone's opinions here.🙏
 
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DSOL would be infinitely worse (like I don't remember it having any remotely statement that implies tier 1 scaling) and I lowkey have no idea why people get angry at low 1-C krillin idea.
 
GodzillavsRayquaza said:
My problem isn’t even Krillin, it’s Goten and Trunks’ bumasses who explicitly haven’t been training.
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See the funny part is that, right, the fact they got stronger is still explicitly true. In the Manga for the arc, Goten and Trunks were grounded and literally not allowed to train (and thus they hadn't), but they were explicitly stronger than they were before anyway.
 
Da3ggman said:
Ngl the 5-D stuff would be a lot easier with the Dimension of Swirling Lights or something, that way Krillin doesn't scale to 5-D.
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There are many quotes from her, such as transcending space-time, as well as being an extradimensional space, Gogeta and Broly accessed this dimension by distorting space-time and breaking the dimensional walls.

This would make a huge crt in the future for those who understand level 1
 
Why? Both sides are still trying to advance their positions. Like yeah it’s long and will need summarization eventually but the debate is still ongoing
 
The debate has been over for a long time, they're just going around in circles hitting the same point, we need votes to end this soon, not more endless arguments for 30 pages
 
RedReaper616 said:
See the funny part is that, right, the fact they got stronger is still explicitly true. In the Manga for the arc, Goten and Trunks were grounded and literally not allowed to train (and thus they hadn't), but they were explicitly stronger than they were before anyway.
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Hybrids are bullshit dude, Pan’s gonna be able to solo the ToP before she’s in high school.
 
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