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They would be yes
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Kill La Kill Changes (IF is Canon)
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So a few things
1. Kill La Kill functioning off of Hypertime means it'd likely get to Low 1-C, not jut Low 2-C
2. IF takes place as episode 8.5, so scaling to it would be slotted right between 'Life Fiber Synchronized' and 'Berserk', likely splitting 'Life Fiber Synchronized' into ''Pre IF' and 'Post IF'.
3. Even base Ryuko scales to this, not just Kisaragi. Base Satsuki split the timeline and both base Satsuki and Base Ryuko were strong enough to beat Ragyo, who had the power to merge all the timelines together into a single universe. Plus the whole 'Life fibers transcend reality and dictate space-time' applies to every notable Life Fiber user, including the Elite 4, who were also strong enough to hold off Ragyo.
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hmmm, wouldn't it be kinda problematic if base ryuko is that strong?
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I dont see why it would be? They make it very clear that she is just on that level consistently, her, satsuki, ragyo, and the PLF all have their own feats on that level. They even make it a point in the game to point out that Ryuko is growing in power abnormally fast over the course of the story mode.
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So, went back and skimmed the game real quick, the scaling and keys would roughly be:
High 8-C, Low 1-C with the Scissor Blade | High 7-C, higher via Accelerated Development, Low 1-C with the Scissor Blade | Low 7-B, Low 1-C with the Scissor Blade | At least Low 7-B, likely 7-B, higher via Accelerated Development, Low 1-C with the Scissor Blade | Low 1-C, higher via Accelerated Development | At least Low 1-C, higher via Accelerated Development | At least Low 1-C, higher via Accelerated Development | At least Low 1-C, higher via Accelerated Development
Key: Beginning of Series/Pre-Synchronization | Life Fiber Synchronized | Berserk | Post 3-Star Absorption | True Life Fiber Synchronized | Post Junketsu | Kisaragi | End of Series
Ryuko doesnt really manage to match Satsuki or Nui until she reaches TLFS, up until then she either cant damage them or cant hit them ad gets oneshot by them, and Nui makes it a point to get Ryuko to develop as fast as possible by compressing time, allowing her to gain power from months worth of training in a single fight.
High 8-C, Low 1-C with the Scissor Blade | High 7-C, higher via Accelerated Development, Low 1-C with the Scissor Blade | Low 7-B, Low 1-C with the Scissor Blade | At least Low 7-B, likely 7-B, higher via Accelerated Development, Low 1-C with the Scissor Blade | Low 1-C, higher via Accelerated Development | At least Low 1-C, higher via Accelerated Development | At least Low 1-C, higher via Accelerated Development | At least Low 1-C, higher via Accelerated Development
Key: Beginning of Series/Pre-Synchronization | Life Fiber Synchronized | Berserk | Post 3-Star Absorption | True Life Fiber Synchronized | Post Junketsu | Kisaragi | End of Series
Ryuko doesnt really manage to match Satsuki or Nui until she reaches TLFS, up until then she either cant damage them or cant hit them ad gets oneshot by them, and Nui makes it a point to get Ryuko to develop as fast as possible by compressing time, allowing her to gain power from months worth of training in a single fight.
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“Hypertime”
Nah I think there would need to be a separate thread on that.
Nah I think there would need to be a separate thread on that.
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Was that not discussed here? It was in the blog posted as evidence so i thought it was brought up, sorry
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I don't recall anything in IF that would indicate kill la kill runs off of hyper time
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I can grab scans for it but basically it comes from a blend of Life Fibers transcending space-time and reality as a whole as well as Satsuki acting as the functioning axis of time through which her timeline flows, and Ragyo and the PLF being able to act as that for the bulk timeline that would have been created by compressing all timelines in the multiverse into one
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Fair enough
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So who wants to make the thread?
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I mean maybe finish this one first.
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Is this not finished...? It seems to have enough mod support
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I do think this sounds more like 2-B, hypertimelines usually delve into concepts like being able to recreate erased timelines off of time travel or clear multiple layers of time. But maybe that other thread will clear some things up
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Yeah it just needs to be applied.
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Hypertimelines In Dragon Ball Explained
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What is an hypertimeline and how to qualify for that?
So can someone explain exactly what is an hyper-timeline and how to qualify for something like that? i know some verses like GoW and DBH have tried and got it but I don't understand how it works
Am i misreading something? Is there somewhere else where this is explained to be the case?
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Dragon Ball had to jump through some hoops, like they had both the time room and the time machines hopping back to previous versions of timelines to back up hypertime. Aka proving there was an infinite amount of 4-D snapshots of the same timeline.
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I mean, Satsuki did the same sort of thing in her storyline, where she was defeated by Ragyo near the end but then undid her own defeat and instead made it so she not only won but got a huge power boost by achieving Junketsu Shinzui
That plus the whole 'each decision causes a branching timeline' thing.
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Maybe clarify it in that other thread and we can see what happens. Decisions making new timelines is more of a many worlds theory element though.
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So Satsuki, Ryuko, and Ragyo being living higher-order temporal dimensions wouldnt qualify?
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I think its best to make a follow up thread regarding scaling with the tier 2 feats
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Who wants to make it?
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Bump.
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For this story to be canon as described it'd need to fit into the canon storyline. Can these story events actually have happened in-between episodes of the anime?
I can't help but think base Ryuko and Satsuki beating Ragyo sounds more than a little out of whack with the main story.
I can't help but think base Ryuko and Satsuki beating Ragyo sounds more than a little out of whack with the main story.
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It did yes, the events of the game start up at episode 8, and the timeline split took place right after Ryuko beat the Elite 4 in episode 12, with the end of the game looping right back to Episode 8 after the timeline collapses. The creator of Kill La Kill even outright confirmed that the game's story as a whole is effectively 'Episode 8.5' of the anime.
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That sounds like it could create some issues. Wouldn't that mean she met Ragyo twice?
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Yes but also no, this was explained in the game's story, the timeline that was created was erased and the memories of it were erased along with it.
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That sounds very weird, but okay. Still, if base Ryuko can beat Ragyo, why is that clearly not the case in the show? And does anything happen to cause such changes in the characters' respective strength?
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Slight clarification, in both Ryuko and Satsuki's storylines it took both of them working together to beat Ragyo, which is also what happens in the anime. Only difference is in the anime Ragyo absorbed the Primordial Life Fiber and used it to restore and empower herself further, whereas in IF the Primordial Life Fiber absorbed Ragyo.
It does yes, its explained in the game that due to the warped timeflow of the timeline Satsuki willed into existence, Ryuko was undergoing a rapid growth in power just by existing in it, to the point that Nui had Ryuko fight a COVERs as a test and afterwards Senketsu measured that the amount Ryuko grew in power from that one fight was equivalent to several months of training.
Unless you meant what changed in the story itself, in which case it was revealed in the story that Life Fibers are transcendent over all of reality, allowing wielders and those imbued with Life Fibers to manipulate reality according to their subconscious will, with this being kept in check by other Life Fiber wielders of sufficient power. The entire plot of the game is that Satsuki willed a timeline into existence when she donned Junketsu for the first time as a manifestation of her subconscious desire to kill Ragyo, but Ragyo was able to overpower it due to being more powerful than Satsuki and was going to use the events of the branched timeline as a means of spreading her influence across the entire multiverse before collapsing it into a single universe where Life Fibers controlled everything, and the only reason she didnt fully succeed was because Ryuko was powerful enough to act as a causality sink that counteracted Ragyo's control over reality.
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In Junketus's universe, time flows faster, and everyone gets stronger, reaching levels of power they are at end of the series. When its destroyed and they lose their memories, everyone is back to normal.
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