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League of Legends Problem

So overall as far as feats go, we have around 7 to which champions would/could scale to. And this is obviously only about the champions "regular/base" forms
  1. Ashe 9-A
  2. Garen 9-A
  3. Arcane 8-C
  4. Vel'koz 8-B
  5. Demigod Low 6-B
  6. World Rune Low 6-B
  7. Aatrox/Etc 4-B stuff
If i am forgetting something, then entirely my bad on that and will change it if so, regardless going one by one.
  • Ashe (Its Her Feat)
  • Sejuani (Scales to Ashe)
  • Tryndamere (Scales to Ashe)
  • Olaf (Fought alongside Sejuani in their most-recent short story)

Questionable Scalings to 9-A
  • Udyr (Memory hazy but i think he has fought alongside Sejuani)
  • Lee (Comparable to Udyr)
  • Trundle (Beat up Olaf, but i dont remember if that comic was canon or not)

  • Garen (His Feat)
  • Sylas (Fought Garen like 3 times, although he could also have different keys cause he stomped him later on)
  • Katarina (Fought with Garen in the web comic)
  • Jarvan (Sparred Garen, fought Sylas although lost)
  • Xin (Superior to Jarvan)
  • Shyvana (Fought alongside Jarvan against Sylas)
  • Nocturne (Can at least go here because he stomped Garen)

Questionable Scalings
  • Talon (Fought and gave Katarina her scar, but that was also in the past, when they matched up most recently Katarina kinda won easily)
  • Quinn (Fought with Talon but it depends on his scaling)

  • Jinx (Should be considerably above Deckard after her shimmer injection)
  • Vi (Comparable to Jinx)
  • Ambessa (Superior to Rictus, who was beating Jinx. Fought Mel and Caitlyn at same time.)
  • Warwick (At least comparable to Jinx)
  • Mel (Fought against Viktor's bots, which are can fight Vi, Jinx or Jayce.)
  • Jayce (Comparable to Vi)
  • Viktor (Obviously only season 2, but when fully transformed should at least be superior to his bots, superior to Jayce)
  • Caitlyn (Season 1 should still scale with rifle only. Season 2 she fights Sevika, Ambessa, and constantly sparred with Ambessa anyways)
  • Ekko (Fought Viktor's bots)
  • Leblanc (At least comparable to Mel. Her magic restrained Ambessa
  • Swain (Has killed Leblanc clones several times allegedly)

  • Vel'koz (His feat)

Questionable scaling
  • Cho,Kha,Kog,voidlings in general (Possibly comparable to Vel'koz)
  • Neeko (Don't think she has really done to scale anything to them, but if she was to scale anywhere rather than be unknown she would be here)
  • Gnar
  • Rengar (Scales to Gnar)
  • Nidalee (Killed Kiilash warriors even as a kid, should be at least comparable to Rengar)

  • Ornn/Anivia (Iirc they are the ones with the feats)
  • Volibear (Comparable to Ornn)
  • Nilah (Fought Volibear in LoR)
  • Mordekaiser (Fought Nilah but outcome is unknown)
  • Rell (Capable of beating Mordekaiser)

  • Brand (Is a world rune)
  • Base Ryze (Superior to Brand, and defeated numerous mages that used world runes, such as Tyrus or Yago)
  • Lux [Magic Only] (Can nuke petricite, which protected demacia from world runes and likewise nullified Mordekaiser's magic. Likewise defeated Nocturne)
  • Sona [Etwahl Only] (Overpowered Mageseekers petricite in her short story)
  • Galio [Durability against magic at least] (Should be more durable than regular petricite as Demacia's ultimate tool.)

A big questionably one, depending on where we scale featless aspects and ascended. Assuming we scale them to world runes since no human ever killed an ascended, which would include humans with world runes, then extra scalings could be.
  • Taric (As an aspect, he should be at least comparable to nameless Ascended)
  • Varus (Should be superior to nameless Ascended as one of the 5 strongest Darkin)
  • Azir (Should be comparable to other nameless Ascended)
  • Rhaast (Same as Varus)
  • Janna (Fought against Darkin)
  • Jax (Killed an ascended with the help of his Kohari unit)
  • Fiora (Jax considers her his rival)
  • Yunara (Defeated Rhaast and Varus in past)

A different batch of scalings also could be included here, but they are more questionable
  • Master Yi (Fought against Shadow Assassin Kayn, who is stated to have Rhaasts power, problem is, that timeline didnt happen in LoR, so not sure what to do with that)
  • Vladimir (Killed a darkin and absorbed his power)
  • Kalista (Fought Vladimir)
  • Hecarim (Comparable to Kalista)
  • Thresh (Comparable to Kalista)
  • Lucian (Comparable to Thresh)
  • Miss Fortune (Clashed against Hecarim alongside Illaoi)
  • Nautilus (Superior to MF)
  • Illaoi (Clashed against Hecarim alongside MF)
  • Ahri/Illaoi/Pyke/Braum/Yasuo (Comparable to other members of The Syren)
  • Maokai (Comparable to the crew of The Syren)
  • Weakened Viego (Fought against entirety of Syren Crew)
  • Yone/Riven (Comparable and fought against Yasuo)

Finally if everyone there was taken to scale, some of the demons and people that scale to demons could rank here, as Yasuo was a bit weaker than an Azakana in his cinematic, and different example is Yunara fighting Azakana nowadays.
  • Fiddle/Tahm/Noc/Eve (Fiddle should obviously be an at least, but all others should as full demons be stronger than an Azakana)
  • Leblanc/Morde/Swain (Both control and restrain Atakhan, an Swain well same thing with just having Raum's power)
  • Shen (Every Eye of Twilight is tasked with beating spirits, azakana and demons)
  • Zed (Comparable to Shen)
  • Jhin (Comparable to Shen and Zed)
  • Akali (Comparable to Jhin)
  • Kennen (Comparable to Akali likely)
  • Xayah /Rakan (Fought Zed)
  • Sylas with Morgana's blessing (Defeated Nocturne)
  • Qiyana (Greatest Elemental Mage of Ixtal, which would include Ne'zuk who is both an ascended and wielded World Runes)

  • Pantheon/Aatrox (Their feat)
  • Nasus/Renekton (Stated to be the only two in Shuriman Empire capable of stopping The Great Fire Spirit Xerath unleashed, which would make them at least comparable to Aatrox, fought against Xerath)
  • Xerath (Fought against Nasus and Renekton. Fought against Pantheon)
  • Morgana/Kayle (Fought Aatrox)
  • Ryze with World Runes (Nuked Xolaani)
  • Viego/Vayne/Senna/Gwen/Diana (Sentinel of Light scaling to Pantheon/Viego)
  • Leona (Comparable to Diana)
  • Xolaani (Fought against Aatrox)
  • Rhaast (Fought against Pantheon

Questionable Scaling
  • Naafiri (Stated to be almost the strongest Darkin, which should make her close to Aatrox)

Obviously, that does leave some champions who dont scale to anyone, or rather nothing above, those would be...
  • Celestials- Asol, Zoe, Bard, Soraka (They scale to their own thing anyways so they can be ignored)
  • Most yordles- Tristana, Veigar, Lulu, Corki, Teemo, Poppy, Amumu, Fizz, Heimy, Kled, Vex, Ziggs
  • Non-Arcane Piltover/Zaun champs, or arcane that dont have scaling- Ezreal, Camille, Blitz, Mundo, Renata, Singed, Zac, Zeri, Urgot, Twitch, Orianna
  • Random Champions without scaling- Akshan, Alistar, Annie, Aphelios, Aurora, Bel'veth, Briar, Cassiopeia, Darius, Draven, Elise, Gragas, Graves, Hwei, Irelia, Ivern, Kai'sa, Karma, Karthus, Kassadin, Kayn, Kindred, Kog, K'sante, Lillia, Lissandra, Malphite, Malzahar, Milio, Nami, Nunu, Rammus, Samira, Seraphine, Sett, Shaco, Sivir, Skar Skar, Smolder, Syndra, Taliyah, TF, Wukong, Yorick, Yuumi, Zilean, Zyra
Of course some of those could have justifiable scalings, but i did not want to include champions that already relied on questionable scalings above too much.
 
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ShrekAlmighty said:
  1. Gnar 8-B (dubious feat imo)
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Gnar's 8-B rating comes from Vel'Koz. Vel'Koz can destroy a forest. Other void characters are comparable to him. Kha'Zix can fight Rengar. Rengar can fight Mechta Gnar.

Of course, it's understandable to think so because Gnar's profile says he can destroy a forest. I'm the one who updated the profile, but I just noticed it.😅

This was accepted in CRT
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Gnar's 8-B rating comes from Vel'Koz. Vel'Koz can destroy a forest. Other void characters are comparable to him. Kha'Zix can fight Rengar. Rengar can fight Mechta Gnar.

Of course, it's understandable to think so because Gnar's profile says he can destroy a forest. I'm the one who updated the profile, but I just noticed it.😅

This was accepted in CRT
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Ah i see, personally i am not about other voidlings randomly scaling to Vel'koz' laser, like, why would they? Will obviously edit the reply to it being Vel'koz feat though ofc
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
It would be good if we could calculate the magnitude of Shurima's earthquakes for Malzahar.

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Unfortunately never really done any earthquake calcs before so wouldnt really know how to. But thanks for the input. Worst case scenario if it can be worked on, it would handle Malzahar and give some barebones lower limit for Bel'veth, considering she should be lot stronger than him.
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
Unfortunately never really done any earthquake calcs before so wouldnt really know how to. But thanks for the input. Worst case scenario if it can be worked on, it would handle Malzahar and give some barebones lower limit for Bel'veth, considering she should be lot stronger than him.
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If we could calculate the magnitude of Shurima, then we could ask someone who can calculate earthquakes for help.

How can we calculate Shurima?
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
If we could calculate the magnitude of Shurima, then we could ask someone who can calculate earthquakes for help.

How can we calculate Shurima?
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In an ideal world we can use the world map of valoran and then some known distance to scale, example would be if there was a, 3 week travel time between piltover and noxus prime, but well there isnt really a thing such as that from what i remember.

Regardless just keeping it in back of mind is already a good start. Other than that we can work on some of the unknown ones or scaling you arent 100% certain about
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
In an ideal world we can use the world map of valoran and then some known distance to scale, example would be if there was a, 3 week travel time between piltover and noxus prime, but well there isnt really a thing such as that from what i remember.

Regardless just keeping it in back of mind is already a good start. Other than that we can work on some of the unknown ones or scaling you arent 100% certain about
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If we consider it as just being able to destroy Shurima city, would this correspond to somewhere in tier 8?
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
If we consider it as just being able to destroy Shurima city, would this correspond to somewhere in tier 8?
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It would probably go into tier 7 really to be fair.

Even if we just assumed Shurima had the area of the largest city in the world (considedring its a gigantic spanning empire), it would probably be tier 7
 
So anyone else have any thoughts or anything?

Likewise i will slowly try and find some scalings for the "still undetermined" champions.
 
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Apollonir.Scale said:
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League of Legends scaling blog

So a problem i've noticed with League of Legends is how annoying it is to find who scales where. Most of the characters have no scans to show where they scale and a lot of them just say "Can fight on-par with Garen, and similarly powerful champions" without ever actually meeting him (though this...
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Thanks but would prefer if we handled everything in this thread, already moved from last one to this one so, chances only smaller for others to reply there
 
Alright so going over the unknown ones from above
ShrekAlmighty said:
So overall as far as feats go, we have around 7 to which champions would/could scale to. And this is obviously only about the champions "regular/base" forms
  1. Ashe 9-A
  2. Garen 9-A
  3. Arcane 8-C
  4. Vel'koz 8-B
  5. Demigod Low 6-B
  6. World Rune Low 6-B
  7. Aatrox/Etc 4-B stuff
If i am forgetting something, then entirely my bad on that and will change it if so, regardless going one by one.
  • Ashe (Its Her Feat)
  • Sejuani (Scales to Ashe)
  • Tryndamere (Scales to Ashe)
  • Olaf (Fought alongside Sejuani in their most-recent short story)

Questionable Scalings to 9-A
  • Udyr (Memory hazy but i think he has fought alongside Sejuani)
  • Lee (Comparable to Udyr)
  • Trundle (Beat up Olaf, but i dont remember if that comic was canon or not)

  • Garen (His Feat)
  • Sylas (Fought Garen like 3 times, although he could also have different keys cause he stomped him later on)
  • Katarina (Fought with Garen in the web comic)
  • Jarvan (Sparred Garen, fought Sylas although lost)
  • Xin (Superior to Jarvan)
  • Shyvana (Fought alongside Jarvan against Sylas)
  • Nocturne (Can at least go here because he stomped Garen)

Questionable Scalings
  • Talon (Fought and gave Katarina her scar, but that was also in the past, when they matched up most recently Katarina kinda won easily)
  • Quinn (Fought with Talon but it depends on his scaling)

  • Jinx (Should be considerably above Deckard after her shimmer injection)
  • Vi (Comparable to Jinx)
  • Ambessa (Superior to Rictus, who was beating Jinx. Fought Mel and Caitlyn at same time.)
  • Warwick (At least comparable to Jinx)
  • Mel (Fought against Viktor's bots, which are can fight Vi, Jinx or Jayce.)
  • Jayce (Comparable to Vi)
  • Viktor (Obviously only season 2, but when fully transformed should at least be superior to his bots, superior to Jayce)
  • Caitlyn (Season 1 should still scale with rifle only. Season 2 she fights Sevika, Ambessa, and constantly sparred with Ambessa anyways)
  • Ekko (Fought Viktor's bots)
  • Leblanc (At least comparable to Mel. Her magic restrained Ambessa
  • Swain (Has killed Leblanc clones several times allegedly)

  • Vel'koz (His feat)

Questionable scaling
  • Cho,Kha,Kog,voidlings in general (Possibly comparable to Vel'koz)
  • Neeko (Don't think she has really done to scale anything to them, but if she was to scale anywhere rather than be unknown she would be here)
  • Gnar
  • Rengar (Scales to Gnar)
  • Nidalee (Killed Kiilash warriors even as a kid, should be at least comparable to Rengar)

  • Ornn/Anivia (Iirc they are the ones with the feats)
  • Volibear (Comparable to Ornn)
  • Nilah (Fought Volibear in LoR)
  • Mordekaiser (Fought Nilah but outcome is unknown)
  • Rell (Capable of beating Mordekaiser)

  • Brand (Is a world rune)
  • Base Ryze (Superior to Brand, and defeated numerous mages that used world runes, such as Tyrus or Yago)
  • Lux [Magic Only] (Can nuke petricite, which protected demacia from world runes and likewise nullified Mordekaiser's magic. Likewise defeated Nocturne)
  • Sona [Etwahl Only] (Overpowered Mageseekers petricite in her short story)
  • Galio [Durability against magic at least] (Should be more durable than regular petricite as Demacia's ultimate tool.)

A big questionably one, depending on where we scale featless aspects and ascended. Assuming we scale them to world runes since no human ever killed an ascended, which would include humans with world runes, then extra scalings could be.
  • Taric (As an aspect, he should be at least comparable to nameless Ascended)
  • Varus (Should be superior to nameless Ascended as one of the 5 strongest Darkin)
  • Azir (Should be comparable to other nameless Ascended)
  • Rhaast (Same as Varus)
  • Janna (Fought against Darkin)
  • Jax (Killed an ascended with the help of his Kohari unit)
  • Fiora (Jax considers her his rival)
  • Yunara (Defeated Rhaast and Varus in past)

A different batch of scalings also could be included here, but they are more questionable
  • Master Yi (Fought against Shadow Assassin Kayn, who is stated to have Rhaasts power, problem is, that timeline didnt happen in LoR, so not sure what to do with that)
  • Vladimir (Killed a darkin and absorbed his power)
  • Kalista (Fought Vladimir)
  • Hecarim (Comparable to Kalista)
  • Thresh (Comparable to Kalista)
  • Lucian (Comparable to Thresh)
  • Miss Fortune (Clashed against Hecarim alongside Illaoi)
  • Nautilus (Superior to MF)
  • Illaoi (Clashed against Hecarim alongside MF)
  • Ahri/Illaoi/Pyke/Braum/Yasuo (Comparable to other members of The Syren)
  • Maokai (Comparable to the crew of The Syren)
  • Weakened Viego (Fought against entirety of Syren Crew)
  • Yone/Riven (Comparable and fought against Yasuo)

Finally if everyone there was taken to scale, some of the demons and people that scale to demons could rank here, as Yasuo was a bit weaker than an Azakana in his cinematic, and different example is Yunara fighting Azakana nowadays.
  • Fiddle/Tahm/Noc/Eve (Fiddle should obviously be an at least, but all others should as full demons be stronger than an Azakana)
  • Leblanc/Morde/Swain (Both control and restrain Atakhan, an Swain well same thing with just having Raum's power)
  • Shen (Every Eye of Twilight is tasked with beating spirits, azakana and demons)
  • Zed (Comparable to Shen)
  • Jhin (Comparable to Shen and Zed)
  • Akali (Comparable to Jhin)
  • Kennen (Comparable to Akali likely)
  • Xayah /Rakan (Fought Zed)
  • Sylas with Morgana's blessing (Defeated Nocturne)
  • Qiyana (Greatest Elemental Mage of Ixtal, which would include Ne'zuk who is both an ascended and wielded World Runes)

  • Pantheon/Aatrox (Their feat)
  • Nasus/Renekton (Stated to be the only two in Shuriman Empire capable of stopping The Great Fire Spirit Xerath unleashed, which would make them at least comparable to Aatrox, fought against Xerath)
  • Xerath (Fought against Nasus and Renekton. Fought against Pantheon)
  • Morgana/Kayle (Fought Aatrox)
  • Ryze with World Runes (Nuked Xolaani)
  • Viego/Vayne/Senna/Gwen/Diana (Sentinel of Light scaling to Pantheon/Viego)
  • Leona (Comparable to Diana)

Questionable Scaling
  • Naafiri (Stated to be almost the strongest Darkin, which should make her close to Aatrox)

Obviously, that does leave some champions who dont scale to anyone, or rather nothing above, those would be...
  • Celestials- Asol, Zoe, Bard, Soraka (They scale to their own thing anyways so they can be ignored)
  • Most yordles- Tristana, Veigar, Lulu, Corki, Teemo, Poppy, Amumu, Fizz, Heimy, Kled, Vex, Ziggs
  • Non-Arcane Piltover/Zaun champs, or arcane that dont have scaling- Ezreal, Camille, Blitz, Mundo, Renata, Singed, Zac, Zeri, Urgot, Twitch, Orianna
  • Random Champions without scaling- Akshan, Alistar, Annie, Aphelios, Aurora, Bel'veth, Briar, Cassiopeia, Darius, Draven, Elise, Gangplank, Gragas, Graves, Hwei, Irelia, Ivern, Kai'sa, Karma, Karthus, Kassadin, Kayn, Kindred, Kog, K'sante, Lillia, Lissandra, Malphite, Malzahar, Milio, Nami, Nunu, Rammus, Samira, Seraphine, Sett, Shaco, Sivir, Skar Skar, Smolder, Syndra, Taliyah, TF, Wukong, Yorick, Yuumi, Zilean, Zyra
Of course some of those could have justifiable scalings, but i did not want to include champions that already relied on questionable scalings above too much.
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So continuation on my post above with scalings for most of champions, this post will be going specifically over the unknown champions from last one and nothing else really.

  • Celestials are all sorted as is
  • Heimer, Ziggs and Corki could likely scale to 8-C because hextech should be superior to the random rifle Caitlyn used in season 1 to hurt Sevika (8-C)
  • Poppy can scale to her own feat in the short comic she had, or otherwise she has similar feats to scale to iirc. (Unknown for now)
  • As a high ranking officer in Noxus, Kled should at least be comparable to Rictus who can fight Jinx. (8-C)
  • Tristana had a scuffle with Draven, and could scale to that point, although iirc he did physically overpower her as hell so that one is dubious, if she did scale Teemo and Lulu (with magic) can scale to her point too. (8-C)
  • Vex, Veigar, Amumu and Fizz i don't have any clue what to do with

Piltover/Zaun:
  • I will honestly skip over most of this part as i have yet to read their lore rewrites, but anyone with hextech would go over Caitlyn's rifle cause yea. (8-C)
  • Ezreal specifically could scale to Kai'sa due to fighting alongside her) (8-B)
  • Annie - Unknown herself, Low 6-B with tibbers due to him being a full Demon.
  • Aurora - Unknown herself, likely Low 6-B with AP due to her wand being Ornn's creation (they all scale to similar levels)
  • Briar - Made to kill Swain, as such should at least be superior to Rictus, and did fight Swain but lost (8-C or Low 6-B)
  • Malzahar/Bel'veth - Malzahar would scale to his earthquakes, and Bel'veth is superior to him. (Likely Tier 7 feat)
  • Darius/Draven - Both should be superior to Rictus, Darius as the lead of noxian military and Draven is close enough to him. (Arcane 8-C)
  • Graves - Superior to Corki and yordles physically, as his shotgun is hextech it would be comparable or better than Caitlyn's rifle. (Arcane 8-C)
  • TF - Comparable to Graves (8-C)
  • Irelia - Either she can just scale from her sentinel feats, or she could be comparable/superior to Yi, considering she was seen as the primary figure to save Ionia and was made the pseudo-leader of the resistance more or less purely cause of it (Using Yi because we know he was also participating in the war) (4-B or Low 6-B)
  • Kai'sa/Taliyah - Fought against Rek'sai (Vel'koz (8-B)
    Kassadin - Should be comparable to other voidborn if not superior (8-B)
  • Kayn - Possibly Comparable to Zed (Low 6-B)
  • Kog - Presumably comparable to other voidborn, although i am not the most keen on scaling a newborn voidling like him to Vel'koz (8-B)
  • K'sante - Has his feat if its recalced
  • Lissandra - Nothing can melt/break her true ice except Ornn in freljord, so it could be scaled to Low 6-B, she did also fight Volibear but lost pretty badly. Did seal Brand however which scales her to Low 6-B stuff. (Low 6-B)
  • Malphite - Scales to his own feat which will be calced further (Tier 8 or Tier 7)
  • Nunu - Fought with Lissandra in his own game but i havent played it, so i cant exactly confirm or deny how good of a showing it is (Low 6-B?)
  • Syndra- Destroyed her temple, and could calc her throwing the noxian warships (Tier 8)
  • Sion - Made by combined power of Black Rose members, and as their ultimate creation should be superior to Briar (Low 6-B)
  • Wukong- Although weaker, comparable to Yi (Low 6-B)

DONT KNOW- Akshan, Aphelios, Alistar, Cassiopeia, Elise, Gragas, Gangplank, Hwei, Ivern, Karma, Karthus, Kindred, Milio, Nami, Rammus, Seraphine, Sett, Shaco, Sivir, Skar skar, Smolder, Yuumi, Zilean, Zyra, Yorick, Sett

Those above could just be kept as unknown, or scaled to any individual feats they have (Like Alistar breaking stone pillars in his splash art), naturally if anyone has any idea of where they could go, i would really love to hear it.
 
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ShrekAlmighty said:
Alright so going over the unknown ones from above

So continuation on my post above with scalings for most of champions, this post will be going specifically over the unknown champions from last one and nothing else really.

  • Celestials are all sorted as is
  • Heimer, Ziggs and Corki could likely scale to 8-C because hextech should be superior to the random rifle Caitlyn used in season 1 to hurt Sevika (8-C)
  • Poppy can scale to her own feat in the short comic she had, or otherwise she has similar feats to scale to iirc. (Unknown for now)
  • As a high ranking officer in Noxus, Kled should at least be comparable to Rictus who can fight Jinx. (8-C)
  • Tristana had a scuffle with Draven, and could scale to that point, although iirc he did physically overpower her as hell so that one is dubious, if she did scale Teemo and Lulu (with magic) can scale to her point too. (8-C)
  • Vex, Veigar, Amumu and Fizz i don't have any clue what to do with

Piltover/Zaun:
  • I will honestly skip over most of this part as i have yet to read their lore rewrites, but anyone with hextech would go over Caitlyn's rifle cause yea. (8-C)
  • Ezreal specifically could scale to Kai'sa due to fighting alongside her) (8-B)
  • Annie - Unknown herself, Low 6-B with tibbers due to him being a full Demon.
  • Aurora - Unknown herself, likely Low 6-B with AP due to her wand being Ornn's creation (they all scale to similar levels)
  • Briar - Made to kill Swain, as such should at least be superior to Rictus, and did fight Swain but lost (8-C or Low 6-B)
  • Malzahar/Bel'veth - Malzahar would scale to his earthquakes, and Bel'veth is superior to him. (Likely Tier 7 feat)
  • Darius/Draven - Both should be superior to Rictus, Darius as the lead of noxian military and Draven is close enough to him. (Arcane 8-C)
  • Graves - Superior to Corki and yordles physically, as his shotgun is hextech it would be comparable or better than Caitlyn's rifle. (Arcane 8-C)
  • TF - Comparable to Graves (8-C)
  • Irelia - Either she can just scale from her sentinel feats, or she could be comparable/superior to Yi, considering she was seen as the primary figure to save Ionia and was made the pseudo-leader of the resistance more or less purely cause of it (Using Yi because we know he was also participating in the war) (4-B or Low 6-B)
  • Kai'sa/Taliyah - Fought against Rek'sai (Vel'koz (8-B)
    Kassadin - Should be comparable to other voidborn if not superior (8-B)
  • Kayn - Possibly Comparable to Zed (Low 6-B)
  • Kog - Presumably comparable to other voidborn, although i am not the most keen on scaling a newborn voidling like him to Vel'koz (8-B)
  • K'sante - Has his feat if its recalced
  • Lissandra - Nothing can melt/break her true ice except Ornn in freljord, so it could be scaled to Low 6-B, she did also fight Volibear but lost pretty badly (Low 6-B with True Ice)
  • Malphite - Scales to his own feat which will be calced further (Tier 8 or Tier 7)
  • Nunu - Fought with Lissandra in his own game but i havent played it, so i cant exactly confirm or deny how good of a showing it is (Low 6-B?)
  • Syndra- Destroyed her temple, and could calc her throwing the noxian warships (Tier 8)
  • Sion - Made by combined power of Black Rose members, and as their ultimate creation should be superior to Briar (Low 6-B)
  • Wukong- Although weaker, comparable to Yi (Low 6-B)

DONT KNOW- Akshan, Aphelios, Alistar, Cassiopeia, Elise, Gragas, Gangplank, Hwei, Ivern, Karma, Karthus, Kindred, Milio, Nami, Rammus, Seraphine, Sett, Shaco, Sivir, Skar skar, Smolder, Yuumi, Zilean, Zyra, Yorick, Sett

Those above could just be kept as unknown, or scaled to any individual feats they have (Like Alistar breaking stone pillars in his splash art), naturally if anyone has any idea of where they could go, i would really love to hear it.
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Lissandra must be 4-B because Ornn is also 4-B

We can see Alistar in comparison to the Minotaur that fought Xin Zhao. I think a Minotaur was also fighting Draven.

Where does Irelia's 4-B and Zed's Low 6-B come from?
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Lissandra must be 4-B because Ornn is also 4-B

We can see Alistar in comparison to the Minotaur that fought Xin Zhao. I think a Minotaur was also fighting Draven.

Where does Irelia's 4-B and Zed's Low 6-B come from?
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Ornn will not be 4-B, right now he is 4-B because "Fire spirit Nasus and Renekton fought was brand", which is literally impossible because Kegan Rodhe nor Ryze were born before fall of Shurima. She can still be Low 6-B since well, Brand is quite literally a living world rune.

Yea but thing is Xin kinda stomped averyone no? Either way sure it can go to that.

Irelia's 4-B would be the same scaling as other sentinels. Zed scaling to Low 6-B is elaborated in the Low 6-B scaling, but basically its from Yasuo being weaker than an Azakana, while being comparable to MF/Vlad, elaborated more in that section. If we dont go with that "questionable scaling" then i will change people who scale from "random ascended" lower ofc.
 
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KaramcaS said:
Didnt Aatrox fought against freljordian Demi-Gods ?
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No he never did, allegedly aatrox killed gods somewhere in his time but that doesnt really matter cause not same gods and well, aatrox's level of strenght varies a lot.

Edit: Never did as far as i am aware, but as with everything i could be wrong.
 
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ShrekAlmighty said:
Ornn will not be 4-B, right now he is 4-B because "Fire spirit Nasus and Renekton fought was brand", which is literally impossible because Kegan Rodhe nor Ryze were born before fall of Shurima. She can still be Low 6-B since well, Brand is quite literally a living world rune.

Yea but thing is Xin kinda stomped averyone no? Either way sure it can go to that.

Irelia's 4-B would be the same scaling as other sentinels. Zed scaling to Low 6-B is elaborated in the Low 6-B scaling, but basically its from Yasuo being weaker than an Azakana, while being comparable to MF/Vlad, elaborated more in that section. If we dont go with that "questionable scaling" then i will change people who scale from "random ascended" lower ofc.
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Got it.

So yes, we can update the profiles this way. Do we need to open a new CRT now?

Calculating Malzahar's feat is very difficult. We need to calculate Shurima's size for this.

What was Malphite's feat that needed to be calculated? His AP based on his size?
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Got it.

So yes, we can update the profiles this way. Do we need to open a new CRT now?

Calculating Malzahar's feat is very difficult. We need to calculate Shurima's size for this.

What was Malphite's feat that needed to be calculated? His AP based on his size
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I dont think there is a need to open a new CRT tbf, this one is already "fixing league" thread/CRT, so i think we should stay on this one, give others some time to give further input, and also decide where we will go with the "can scale either way" champions.

Yes presumably so, i think it is very easy to get a very minimum estimate either by calcing the size of shurima city (where gold disc is), or since shurima in art is easily more than "a horizon away", that could be used likewise for a really low low lowball.

Uhhh yea basically his calc just needs to be updated, which i can do in the coming days.
 
Alright, does anyone have the old malphite AP calc? I dont think i can quite look over it today but definitely in like next 2-3 days probably.

That aside, a bit of time has passed and although we should not apply all changes yet, i think soon enough we can look into doing it for those that are solved as of now. Then others get sorted along as we get through them (probably arcane-piltover-zaun ones soon if all the lore really is rewritten)
 
Amumu's profile design is very nice. We can use this as an example to design the notable attack sections of other characters.

vsbattles.fandom.com

Amumu

Amumu is a Yordle, a small and cute creature in the League of Legends universe, who is burdened by an ancient curse. This curse makes him an embodiment of loneliness, and he roams the world in search of companionship. Amumu's touch is said to bring overwhelming sadness to those around him...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Amumu's profile design is very nice. We can use this as an example to design the notable attack sections of other characters.

vsbattles.fandom.com

Amumu

Amumu is a Yordle, a small and cute creature in the League of Legends universe, who is burdened by an ancient curse. This curse makes him an embodiment of loneliness, and he roams the world in search of companionship. Amumu's touch is said to bring overwhelming sadness to those around him...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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ah you mean the powers and abilities section?
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
No, see the "Notable Attacks/Techniques:" section below.
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I see i see, it is pretty good but damn that seems like, a looooot of work to do ngl.

I would very much so be a liar if i said i felt like doing that for every profile as i apply the changes, would make workload lot bigger to just get the gifs let alone setting it up properly.

It is pretty good though yea
 
I didn't even notice they were gifs. At first, I thought they were YouTube video links. It would have been easier if they were. Maybe after we fix the profiles, we'll add them starting with the most popular characters.
 
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I didn't even notice they were gifs. At first, I thought they were YouTube video links. It would have been easier if they were. Maybe after we fix the profiles, we'll add them starting with the most popular characters.
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Yeap yeap, love that idea alright, just well this takes priority and damn even if it takes like, just 5 mins extra (would take lot longer) per profile, that would be like... 750-800 minutes of extra work (there are like 160ish profiles iirc)

So yea after we fix everything
 
@ShrekAlmighty
Leaving the Celestial race as Unknown would be nonsensical, as it is evident that they have shaped existence, and the reality Zoe has disrupted is clearly the Celestial Realm
For Shadow Assasin, I already put on a finger in the discussion thread as far as I remember
Using the new format, I will create a more logical and applicable scaling for characters and cosmology and a Scaling Chain ofc
 
Shiedaisthepeak said:
@ShrekAlmighty
Leaving the Celestial race as Unknown would be nonsensical, as it is evident that they have shaped existence, and the reality Zoe has disrupted is clearly the Celestial Realm
For Shadow Assasin, I already put on a finger in the discussion thread as far as I remember
Using the new format, I will create a more logical and applicable scaling for characters and cosmology and a Scaling Chain ofc
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We already have a scaling chain made up above tbf. As far as that logic, that applies only to full celestials and aspects.

Aspects like pantheon cannot travel into the physical realm fully, reason why he just has a host (atreus), hence people who scale to him would just scale to the 4-B level imo
 
ShrekAlmighty said:
Aspects like pantheon cannot travel into the physical realm fully, reason why he just has a host (atreus), hence people who scale to him would just scale to the 4-B level imo
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4-B Coming from Aspect which is already 5-D non-physical thing but here's the thing
Pantheon/Atreus should be L1-C due to scaling Aatrox and far stronger himself (aspect)
Aspects and Watchers known as created existence so they will be both treated L1-C and Pantheon should be L1-C due to this
 
Shiedaisthepeak said:
4-B Coming from Aspect which is already 5-D non-physical thing but here's the thing
Pantheon/Atreus should be L1-C due to scaling Aatrox and far stronger himself (aspect)
Aspects and Watchers known as created existence so they will be both treated L1-C and Pantheon should be L1-C due to this
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Pantheon (In celestial realm) is 5-D for same reasons as Zoe or Asol are yes, but the physical hosts wouldnt be.

I suppose you could argue that "Aatrox killed The Aspect Entirely" which would mean the 5-D version of him too, but id be more so neutral on using that logic.
 
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Pantheon (In celestial realm) is 5-D for same reasons as Zoe or Asol are yes, but the physical hosts wouldnt be.
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If there is anything to show that Aspects have lost their powers in the physical realm, I expect you to show it

As I said, since it can be compared to Aatrox and being an Aspect is sufficient for this, I think it should be L1-C.
 
Shiedaisthepeak said:
If there is anything to show that Aspects have lost their powers in the physical realm, I expect you to show it

As I said, since it can be compared to Aatrox and being an Aspect is sufficient for this, I think it should be L1-C.
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The only thing to show is that we know factually Aspects cannot normally fully enter the "mortal realm", rather they imbue people with some of their power (or possess them) because they cannot fully transfer over (Not counting Aspect of Twilight), so it would more so be about hosts needing to have all of their power to scale and hence anyone scaling to them.

I wouldn't say being an aspect is sufficient, but if one would scale aatrox to L1-C due to "fully killing pantheon" it applying to anyone that scales to aatrox is fine. And if so only difference would be that like, Taric doesnt scale to that level, pretty sure every other aspect scales to aatrox in some way (or is zoe)
 
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