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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

Puppet43 said:
They are both top tiers who groups (7 Sovereing without Nibelung and Sinners) can hurt and "fight" shades and both are stated to rival to human realm
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surtalogy and skirk that can undo the curse of immortality and surtalogi open the false sky 🥶

While the power of the shade has surpassed reality, the sovereign dragon only rivals the world itself, two different things that explain the difference in power.

Neuvillette can't even be compared to the first-generation sovereign who faced shades. There's no evidence that Neuvillette is as strong as a first-generation dragon, and there's no evidence that every dragon is equal in strength. Neuvillette is merely the successor of a deceased hydro dragon and a newly born true dragon.

This is similar to Nahida's case, who wouldn't be stronger than Raiden even though they were both archons.
 
Furina003 said:
surtalogy and skirk that can undo the curse of immortality and surtalogi open the false sky
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So by that reasoning Venti should be superior to Surtalogi because he has timeline haxs?
Furina003 said:
While the power of the shade has surpassed reality, the sovereign dragon only rivals the world itself, two different things that explain the difference in power.
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Dude what your trying to say? Sovereings (No Nibelung) and Shades (Even including PO) are equals, it's like the more basic thing
Furina003 said:
Neuvillette can't even be compared to the first-generation sovereign who faced shades.
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Furina003 said:
This is similar to Nahida's case, who wouldn't be stronger than Raiden even though they were both archons.
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You shouldn't even compare Nahida to Ei since even do both are archons they not related, a better comparasion would had been Rukkha and Nahida since they have the same connection as Neuvi and the prior Hydro Dragon
 
Sahlwrld said:
Please hoyo, give me more feats of Nibelung, or even better, make him Playable when he comeback 🙏😭
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It's AP comes from a creation feat, the one where he fought Heavenly Principles is just far higher so none scales to durability considering how the 4 Shades + 7 Sovereign would be Tier 4 if this somehow passed
 
Voidnether said:
It's AP comes from a creation feat, the one where he fought Heavenly Principles is just far higher so none scales to durability considering how the 4 Shades + 7 Sovereign would be Tier 4 if this somehow passed
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The one where he fought the heavenly principles alone is already a different key, and it shouldn't be different to his og key either in fact he became stronger.

So whenever theres heavenly principles upscales its also upscales for Nibelung's second key too.

And ofc, Sinners and Dragon Sovereigns could get that tier 4, in fact, even sovereigns could perform tier 4 feat.
 
Sahlwrld said:
The one where he fought the heavenly principles alone is already a different key, and it shouldn't be different to his og key either in fact he became stronger.

So whenever theres heavenly principles upscales its also upscales for Nibelung's second key too.

And ofc, Sinners and Dragon Sovereigns could get that tier 4, in fact, even sovereigns could perform tier 4 feat.
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Yeah that needs a CRT bro, the scaling established is 5-B so making a Tier 4 profile that changed the entire 5-B scaling is vandalism atp
 
We're waiting for their publication.
Surtalogi is perhaps the only character who has mastered all seven elements we currently have aside from the heavenly principles ofc and traveler only got 6 elements + moon power.

i could publish Surtalogi's profile even now, but knowing theres other Sinner that we got in the main story right now, I'll just postpone it for now. Who knows, maybe Rerir will perform new feats so they can be scaled to Surtalogi and the other sinners and the other God Tier characters.
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Sahlwrld/Nibelung

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OG Nibelung was so powerful that even the Voyager could sense his energy/willpower from Lightyears away.

It's so unfortunate that he left Teyvat when the Heavenly Principles invaded, he could've been defeated the Heavenly Principles if he was still in there.

The "Fractured Halo" weapon description reveals that Nibelung wasn't on Teyvat when Phanes invaded so Nibelung didn't use the Abyss for power and it's currently unclear why he used it now. Every dragon we have seen has been weakened by abyssal power not strengthened so Nibelung was probably similarly weakened compared to Phanes who had the stolen powers of all seven sovereigns.

Apep cannot be reliable source again atp, Nibelung brought the forbidden knowledge not because he wants to become stronger to fight Celestia, he didn't even know theres phanes replacing his position. Nibelung is just somehow got corrupted by the Abyss, even his people feel sad for him.

She thinks that Nibelung intentionally sought Forbidden Knowledge but really, she's just justifying her own choices to do the same and also probably can't even concieve of a world where Nibelung was unaware of his peoples' suffering and arrived with the Abyss by chance instead of deliberately.
 
Puppet43 said:
So by that reasoning Venti should be superior to Surtalogi because he has timeline haxs?
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bro hax surtalogi is even much better, surtalogy has even been able to challenge higher dimensions, try to give me something superior form neuvillette
Puppet43 said:
Dude what your trying to say? Sovereings (No Nibelung) and Shades (Even including PO) are equals, it's like the more basic thing

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How can you say that sovereign and po are equal when even their king was destroyed, sovereign is not even a match for the shades
Puppet43 said:
You shouldn't even compare Nahida to Ei since even do both are archons they not related, a better comparasion would had been Rukkha and Nahida since they have the same connection as Neuvi and the prior Hydro Dragon
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I'm not comparing him with Nahida, I'm explaining so that it's easy to understand what I want to convey, Neuvillette isn't as strong as you imagine
 
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Sahlwrld said:
OG Nibelung was so powerful that even the Voyager could sense his energy/willpower from Lightyears away.

It's so unfortunate that he left Teyvat when the Heavenly Principles invaded, he could've been defeated the Heavenly Principles if he was still in there.

The "Fractured Halo" weapon description reveals that Nibelung wasn't on Teyvat when Phanes invaded so Nibelung didn't use the Abyss for power and it's currently unclear why he used it now. Every dragon we have seen has been weakened by abyssal power not strengthened so Nibelung was probably similarly weakened compared to Phanes who had the stolen powers of all seven sovereigns.

Apep cannot be reliable source again atp, Nibelung brought the forbidden knowledge not because he wants to become stronger to fight Celestia, he didn't even know theres phanes replacing his position. Nibelung is just somehow got corrupted by the Abyss, even his people feel sad for him.

She thinks that Nibelung intentionally sought Forbidden Knowledge but really, she's just justifying her own choices to do the same and also probably can't even concieve of a world where Nibelung was unaware of his peoples' suffering and arrived with the Abyss by chance instead of deliberately.
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without the power of the abyss, phanes won't even be able to get hurt, apep has said that only the power of the abyss can defeat the heavenly principles don't expect too much
 
this is the same as saying neuvillette is equal to the primordial, neuvillette can't even hurt the narwhal core without the traveler help 😅
 
Furina003 said:
without the power of the abyss, phanes won't even be able to get hurt, apep has said that only the power of the abyss can defeat the heavenly principles don't expect too much
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As i said.. Apep isn't reliable source anymore after that Fractured Halos description. Nibelung left Teyvat before Phanes came that means he don't know anything about Phanes.

She thinks that Nibelung intentionally sought Forbidden Knowledge but really, she's just justifying her own choices to do the same and also probably can't even concieve of a world where Nibelung was unaware of his peoples' suffering and arrived with the Abyss by chance instead of deliberately.

Nibelung brought the forbidden knowledge is NOT BECAUSE TO FIGHT CELESTIA to begin with, he just comeback with the Forbidden Knowledge somehow for an unknown reason.

Apep is just glazing Nibelung too much because she mad loyal to him, you shouldn't rely on old statement too much too, the context of old statement can be change.
 
Furina003 said:
this is the same as saying neuvillette is equal to the primordial, neuvillette can't even hurt the narwhal core without the traveler help 😅
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? On the contrary, Traveler won't do anything without Neuvillette buffing him, so the traveler manage to give a damage to that guy is because neuvillette amping him.
 
Sahlwrld said:
As i said.. Apep isn't reliable source anymore after that Fractured Halos description. Nibelung left Teyvat before Phanes came that means he don't know anything about Phanes.

She thinks that Nibelung intentionally sought Forbidden Knowledge but really, she's just justifying her own choices to do the same and also probably can't even concieve of a world where Nibelung was unaware of his peoples' suffering and arrived with the Abyss by chance instead of deliberately.

Nibelung brought the forbidden knowledge is NOT BECAUSE TO FIGHT CELESTIA to begin with, he just comeback with the Forbidden Knowledge somehow for an unknown reason.

Apep is just glazing Nibelung too much because she mad loyal to him, you shouldn't rely on old statement too much too, the context of old statement can be change.
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the dragons were destroyed
 
Sahlwrld said:
? On the contrary, Traveler won't do anything without Neuvillette buffing him, so the traveler manage to give a damage to that guy is because neuvillette amping him.
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he can't even reach the narwhal's ability therefore he gives a little power to the traveler to help 😂
 
Furina003 said:
the dragons were destroyed
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Yeah so?
Funny how the only reason that the seven dragon sovereigns lost in the first fight was because Nibelung wasn't there.
And funny how in the second war nibelung and the seven dragon sovereigns aren't in their prime anymore.

So all that war involving the dragons, the dragons was hella nerfed so bad.

Even in their prime, Phanes and 4 Shades needs to take 40 years to take them down, thats just shows how strong is the dragons. I even doubt the first fight were last only 40 years if theres no phanes on the four shades side, that would be much longer.
 
Sahlwrld said:
Yeah so?
Funny how the only reason that the seven dragon sovereigns lost in the first fight was because Nibelung wasn't there.
And funny how in the second war nibelung and the seven dragon sovereigns aren't in their prime anymore.

So all that war involving the dragons, the dragons was hella nerfed so bad.
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I also laughed a little bro
Sahlwrld said:
Even in their prime, Phanes and 4 Shades needs to take 40 years to take them down, thats just shows how strong is the dragons. I even doubt the first fight were last only 40 years if theres no phanes on the four shades side, that would be much longer.
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1 person vs 1 planet
 
Wait so.. In Skirk's voiceline about the moon, she said that she saw the three moons of teyvat when passing through the false sky and she said again "Two are utterly destroyed and one still remaining".

That means she saw the eternal moon and the iridescendet moon because these two moons are destroyed only the frost moon remaining.

But in Nod-Krai archon quest it is said that the remnants of the iridescent moon were never found, so how tf did skirk saw the iridescendet moon? Unless the iridescendent moon was gone not too long ago.. But in the quest its long gone since the war with Nibelung.
 
Sahlwrld said:
Wait so.. In Skirk's voiceline about the moon, she said that she saw the three moons of teyvat when passing through the false sky and she said again "Two are utterly destroyed and one still remaining".

That means she saw the eternal moon and the iridescendet moon because these two moons are destroyed only the frost moon remaining.

But in Nod-Krai archon quest it is said that the remnants of the iridescent moon were never found, so how tf did skirk saw the iridescendet moon? Unless the iridescendent moon was gone not too long ago.. But in the quest its long gone since the war with Nibelung.
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mabye because the people can't see beyond the false sky therefore could never find the remants of the iridescent moon. reminder she saw them outside of teyvat.
 
Furina003 said:
bro hax surtalogi is even much better, surtalogy has even been able to challenge higher dimensions, try to give me something superior form neuvillette
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Surtalogi's abilities:
Barrier Negation, Curse Removal, Healing, Interrealm Communication, Overwhelming Aura, Space Traveler, Shapeshifting, Superpower Absorption, Mediumship + most of the one seen in Sahl's sandbox
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there litterally no statments that said "emmm actually guys, i am a 4D entity" AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE IT WOULD SCALE TO NEUVI CAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME TIER OF POWER
Furina003 said:
How can you say that sovereign and po are equal when even their king was destroyed, sovereign is not even a match for the shades
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the explicity stated 40 years of wars in which Nibelung wasn't involved:
Furina003 said:
Neuvillette isn't as strong as you imagine
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Nah is the other way, he isn't as weak as you say
Furina003 said:
he can't even reach the narwhal's ability therefore he gives a little power to the traveler to help
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OMG GUYS NEUVI HAS NO INTERDIMENSIONAL RANGE THEREFORE HE IS LIKE WALL LVL + Amp Dura narwhal lol
Furina003 said:
1 person vs 1 planet
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1 person and his/its/her 4 replicates vs 6(or 7 because idk if Nibelung count as one of the 7 Sovereings of he is like Pierro, more of a directhor) dragons, remind you the rest of dragons aside of sovereings litterally were hiding away (as stated in here)
 
Puppet43 said:
1 person and his/its/her 4 replicates vs 6(or 7 because idk if Nibelung count as one of the 7 Sovereings of he is like Pierro, more of a directhor)
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He doesn't count, he's the king of all of those seven.
Think of like celestia and archons.
 
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