One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[Ajandy123]

I hope that we can get recalculations for the feats.

It has been over 1-2 years and Fujitora Meteors still havent been recalced, There is no wano recalc in sight or bajrang gun recalc, Honestly I do not think Anyone who supports the verse will have the energy to sit there and argue Whitebeard, Fujitora, or Wano again [my opinion] even egghead calcs are gonna have issues soon, but having a repetitive argument makes you not want to do anything anymore, and honestly, I'd say just sit back and look at how great the verse is going to look with all supporters giving up.

 

[Damage3245]

It has been over 1-2 years and Fujitora Meteors still havent been recalced, There is no wano recalc in sight or bajrang gun recalc, Honestly I do not think Anyone who supports the verse will have the energy to sit there and argue Whitebeard, Fujitora, or Wano again [my opinion] even egghead calcs are gonna have issues soon, but having a repetitive argument makes you not want to do anything anymore, and honestly, I'd say just sit back and look at how great the verse is going to look with all supporters giving up.

Just because somebody creates a downgrade thread or a re-calculation doesn't mean they aren't a "supporter" of the verse.

 

[Ajandy123]

So what now? Are Whitebeard and Blackbeard's quakes feats going to actually be redone or simply removed without any substitution?

Because damn the state of the verse its really pitiful, like all feats that can push the verse above the Gigatons range had become impossible to use for one reason and another, not even downgraded.

Its kinda impressive, sure other verses get recalcs but its not the same thing has having multiple top feats been deemed as unusable in any shape or form.

Well even if they do get recalculated won't they get hit with the Inconsistent Argument i mean the entire point of removing wano calculations was to get the Earthquake calculations removed [Lets be Honest here Cough]? The next biggest feat in the verse is in the teratons, so this calculation should be deemed inconsistent.

 

[Ajandy123]

Just because somebody creates a downgrade thread or a re-calculation doesn't mean they aren't a "supporter" of the verse.

I never said that, I am saying Supporters Are not gonna argue or even try to recalculate Anything Because the arguments are repetitive and the issue with the verse Major calcs being removed and recalced has been happening for years, No one wants to have to remake a calc for 3+ years and argue the same argument 10 times every single year It gets to the point where someone will just say Oh well Do what you want. [My Opinion tho might have some facts in it if that makes sense]

 

[Damage3245]

I can empathize with that. I've felt the same way many times.

 

[KingTempest]

So what now? Are Whitebeard and Blackbeard's quakes feats going to actually be redone or simply removed without any substitution?

"Redone"
Is he talking about the spoiler dude?
Cause we all know nothing gets recalced in this verse. It's just "this calc is wrong. Idk how to fix it though but this calc is wrong".

 

[Heoj]

damn, just went through the earthquake thread. wouldn't that just nuke the entire tier 5 stuff, all we'd have is like, some 6-b stuff, so like, dressrosa zoro

 

[Da3ggman]

Tbh we should make an unspoken rule of "Hey this calc bad, here's how to do it right" for One Piece specifically; feels like every month a new part of scaling gets shattered, and we're left to pick up the pieces without a hint of how to do so.

 

[KingTempest]

I take a break from the wiki and I come back to a downgrade every single time

We just lost 2 of our literal highest calcs with no recalcs in sight I'm so tired of this crap

 

[KingTempest]

 

[Gamecooob]

ngl i think it'd be good to wait for a recalc before the original calcs are officially bunked out, at least for THIS case. Cuz' in this case if mfs stall on any recalcs the verse is gonna stay in like 6-A purgatory

 

[KingTempest]

ngl i think it'd be good to wait for a recalc before the original calcs are officially bunked out, at least for THIS case. Cuz' in this case if mfs stall on any recalcs the verse is gonna stay in like 6-A purgatory

You're preaching to the choir, unfortunately the people who need to listen are tone deaf

 

[Ajandy123]

I take a break from the wiki and I come back to a downgrade every single time

We just lost 2 of our literal highest calcs with no recalcs in sight I'm so tired of this crap

Excatly what i was saying no one is gonna argue against no downgrade threads anymore, Its basically let them do their do, imagine having to recalc a feat for 3+ years LMAO, Then every year argue the same feat the same calculation, I saw a thread of people arguing Kizaru and lightspeed like srsly???? Wano calculations have been removed Basically 9 calculations, which were supporting calculations for Whitebeard, and then 2-4 earthquake calculations are going to be removed; essentially the verse is cooked. Repetitive arguments over and over and over again.
So essentially we are looking at
Lifting Strenght: Nuked And Voided
Attack Potency: Nuked and Voided
Whats next?? speed??

 

[Ajandy123]

ngl i think it'd be good to wait for a recalc before the original calcs are officially bunked out, at least for THIS case. Cuz' in this case if mfs stall on any recalcs the verse is gonna stay in like 6-A purgatory

Fujitora was the first to suffer from this guess what, 1-2 years, and bro meteors are still in space waiting to be recalculated.

 

[Stefano4444]

Fujitora was the first to suffer from this guess what, 2 years, and bro meteors are still in space waiting to be recalculated.

I did recalc It but no Calc Expert has evaluated It.

And even if It was accepted, then we have the matter of the KE not matching with the destruction displayed in the scene making it invalid (even if It can be argue that the Birdcage tooks most of the energy).

 

[KingTempest]

We have a myriad of calcs and they either get ignored or argued to hell since most of the CGM don't wanna evaluate the HST

HST Hell is so fun

 

[Kachon123]

We just lost 2 of our literal highest calcs with no recalcs in sight I'm so tired of this crap

And every single time its me who has to go through and edit every single damn profile

 

[Damage3245]

And every single time its me who has to go through and edit every single damn profile

KT and I have edited our fair share of profiles too. Rest assured that if revisions do come out of this, I'll take on the burden of doing edits myself.

 

[Kachon123]

Yeah well when you spend over a year creating a sandbox that includes scaling for nearly every relevant character and apply it just for it to get changed a week later, I'm sure you can understand why I'm slightly more than pissed and annoyed

 

[Damage3245]

I've been in that boat before. I get it.

 

[KingTempest]

KT and I have edited our fair share of profiles too. Rest assured that if revisions do come out of this, I'll take on the burden of doing edits myself.\

He's referring to whenever all the profiles are shat on due to "calc revision #1000"

This verse is getting locked until we have more profiles because our verse is in hell and everytime we try to handle it, new revision #6000.

No more CRTs for this verse, upgrades or downgrades. No more calc threads anymore either. Everything is on lock until we make our profiles and fix our scaling.
Kachon and Emin have had to remake the scaling like 3 times in the past year alone for dozens of characters, I've had to find a new calc to scale half the verse to once a year. It's frustrating and annoying.

So foot is being put down. No more revisions if it isn't scaling until we have profiles up and scaling done. Cause 3 calc drops in the middle of a scaling thread is terrible.

 

[Damage3245]

Maybe part of the problem is trying to scale half of the verse to a calc at a time? I mean; it's just a natural consequence that if an issue is spotted in an important calc that it has a knock-on effect on dozens of profiles because we scale everyone to highest calc available.

If help is needed in creating new profiles for characters that don't have ones yet, I can lend assistance with that.

 

[Kachon123]

It's almost like "half of the verse" are relative to each other

 

[KingTempest]

Damage.

Half the verse scales to each other.

You can't change that at all.

And even with "trying to scale half the verse to a calc at a time", who's making new calcs for them to scale to?
Cause I've made like 6 of them in the past year and they've all been made wrong.

So I appreciate the help for the profiles but if it's "a bunch of people scale to the same calcs" then that's not an issue.
The issue is a calc revision in the middle of our biggest scaling thread and the same 3 people need to pick up the scraps.

 

[Damage3245]

I get that; it does raise a follow-up question though of "If these dozens of characters are all relative to each other, why do only 1 or 2 of them have any notable feats of any kind?" I don't have a perfect solution yet but I am just trying to go about it one step at a time.

You don't have to be left by yourself to pick up the scraps; I'm more than happy to actually work with people on revising the verse instead of against them.

 

[KingTempest]

I get that; it does raise a follow-up question though of "If these dozens of characters are all relative to each other, why do only 1 or 2 of them have any notable feats of any kind?" I don't have a perfect solution yet but I am just trying to go about it one step at a time.

You don't have to be left by yourself to pick up the scraps; I'm more than happy to actually work with people on revising the verse instead of against them.

We had a bunch of high end tier 6 calcs for the verse.

Issho's meteors. They got hit.
Aokiji freezing oceans. They got hit.
Big earthquakes. "Not earth".
Bigger earthquakes. "Not earth".
Onigashima. "It's too big".
Cloud splits. "Not earth"
Shiki's stuff pre canon. "It's too big".
Enel. "I don't like his scaling".

Tier 5
Black holes. "I don't think they're real".
Enel's stuff. "I don't think it's safe scaling them".
Crocodile. "Uhhhh"
Planet wide earthquakes. "I don't like this"
Big tsunami. "Uhh you can't do that".

Our highest calc next to the enel stuff is Zoro cutting Pica.
Don't tell me "why do only 1 or 2 of them have any notable feats" when every notable feat is disregarded.

 

[SlendVeny]

I get that; it does raise a follow-up question though of "If these dozens of characters are all relative to each other, why do only 1 or 2 of them have any notable feats of any kind?"

Because that's how writing works? They can't nuke the planet every time they fight, then there wouldn't be a planet. This is a thing in every Shonen, and honestly every story with super-powered characters fighting.

 

[Damage3245]

I get that it's frustrating but I also can't pretend to not notice the issues when I see them. Put all together like that, they add up, that's for sure, but that's results from years and years of revisions and analysis.

Because that's how writing works? They can't nuke the planet every time they fight, then there wouldn't be a planet. This is a thing in every Shonen, and honestly every story with super-powered characters fighting.

That's absolutely true; but it can also be true that maybe the characters aren't throwing around planet-destroying attacks all the time is because they aren't actually that strong.

 

[OrangeFR]

I did not know OP was this cooked.

 

[OrangeFR]

I did recalc It but no Calc Expert has evaluated It.

And even if It was accepted, then we have the matter of the KE not matching with the destruction displayed in the scene making it invalid (even if It can be argue that the Birdcage tooks most of the energy).

Why don’t you ask one of the calc group members talking in this thread rn?

 

[Kachon123]

Why don’t you ask one of the calc group members talking in this thread rn?

If he wanted to evaluate it, he would have. Just like that one Crocodile calc.

 

[OrangeFR]

If he wanted to evaluate it, he would have. Just like that one Crocodile calc.

Okay. Also I’ve never done anything w/OP on the wiki so IDK what calc you are talking about.

 

[SlendVeny]

That's absolutely true; but it can also be true that maybe the characters aren't throwing around planet-destroying attacks all the time is because they aren't actually that strong.

So true, Tier 9 Broly.

 

[That_moron2]

So true, Tier 9 Broly.

Broly vs Nobara match incoming

 

[SlendVeny]

Broly vs Nobara match incoming

Sorry, JJK is tier 10 now.

 

[Ajandy123]

I get that it's frustrating but I also can't pretend to not notice the issues when I see them. Put all together like that, they add up, that's for sure, but that's results from years and years of revisions and analysis.


That's absolutely true; but it can also be true that maybe the characters aren't throwing around planet-destroying attacks all the time is because they aren't actually that strong.

Damage No Offense here but the issue here is that There are feats SHOWING they do have planet-destroying attacks or attacks On the range of Multi Cont-Moon The issue here is No offense to you PEOPLE LIKE YOU Take High offense to these calculations and try your best to either:
I understand you have your own Opinion Based on where you think things scale but Logically, you are the reason the verse is in this predicament [no offense, tho]
1: Call It Inconsistent
2: State that the feat has no supporting evidence
3: Just Nuke the calc and say its wrong and provide no Natural Line Of scaling.

 

[Damage3245]

Damage No Offense here but the issue here is that There are feats SHOWING they do have planet-destroying attacks or attacks On the range of Multi Cont-Moon The issue here is No offense to you PEOPLE LIKE YOU Take High offense to these calculations and try your best to either:
I understand you have your own Opinion Based on where you think things scale but Logically, you are the reason the verse is in this predicament [no offense, tho]
1: Call It Inconsistent
2: State that the feat has no supporting evidence
3: Just Nuke the calc and say its wrong and provide no Natural Line Of scaling.

I guess the difference me and some others is that I don't exactly view it as a predicament. There's work to be done on updating profiles, but it's just work, not a problem. A character no longer scaling as highly or as lowly as they did previously is not a problem either, it's just a change.

A calculation that is using an incorrect formula or an incorrect assumption being addressed isn't a new problem being created; it's solving an existing problem.

 

[Ajandy123]

We had a bunch of high end tier 6 calcs for the verse.

Issho's meteors. They got hit.
Aokiji freezing oceans. They got hit.
Big earthquakes. "Not earth".
Bigger earthquakes. "Not earth".
Onigashima. "It's too big".
Cloud splits. "Not earth"
Shiki's stuff pre canon. "It's too big".
Enel. "I don't like his scaling".

Tier 5
Black holes. "I don't think they're real".
Enel's stuff. "I don't think it's safe scaling them".
Crocodile. "Uhhhh"
Planet wide earthquakes. "I don't like this"
Big tsunami. "Uhh you can't do that".

Our highest calc next to the enel stuff is Zoro cutting Pica.
Don't tell me "why do only 1 or 2 of them have any notable feats" when every notable feat is disregarded.

This is my Opinion but, I believe the verse has to just be LOCKED Which means No Revisions, No Downgrades, No Threads Nothing For a period of time because Pre ts Calculations are basically ???? Post Ts is basically ???? Lifting strength is basically ???? At this rate all the verse has is speed and lets be honest here even that is getting its own downgrade thread soon. Just Lock the verse at this point.

 

[KingTempest]

I guess the difference me and some others is that I don't exactly view it as a predicament. There's work to be done on updating profiles, but it's just work, not a problem. A character no longer scaling as highly or as lowly as they did previously is not a problem either, it's just a change.

Nobody cares if they aren't scaling as high as they did before.

We care that we have to remake calculations once a month because of bs reasons.

We can't make earthquake calcs cause the planet isn't earth.
That is stupid.

 

[SlendVeny]

I guess the difference me and some others is that I don't exactly view it as a predicament. There's work to be done on updating profiles, but it's just work, not a problem. A character no longer scaling as highly or as lowly as they did previously is not a problem either, it's just a change.

A calculation that is using an incorrect formula or an incorrect assumption being addressed isn't a new problem being created; it's solving an existing problem.

It's not being addressed if you don't offer a solution outside of "axe it."