(1 Staff Needed) Fairly Minor PGR CRT

[AlipheeseXIV]

Welcome to the thread everyone, today I'm back with yet another PGR CRT. However this time it's actually not wanked a pretty minor CRT, we have 2 new profiles I'd like to introduce. First, big thanks to @Robinnndesu for making both the profiles and marking the first time I didn't make the profiles myself though rest assured they have been approved by me. The profiles are going to be Lamia and the long awaited Alpha.

Apart from the 2 profiles, I'd like to just add a few abilities that I fibbed on previously to some existing characters. They should require nothing other than permission as they are already accepted on the page I just literally somehow forgot to add them for each other.

• Lee Hyperreal should also be given logic manip (redirected to law manip), as he rewrote the Hetero Tower's core laws and logic (he already has law hax and Cradle is already accepted to have logic hax scaling from him)
• Cradle's Agent Zero Key should be given law hax scaling from Lee because she was then able to corrupt and rewrite the core that Lee originally rewrote (she already has logic hax, don't ask me how I forgot to add this)

Next, I want to give both Lee Hyperreal and Primal Projection/Ishmael at least infinite LS as Primal Projection tosses a newborn universe at you. According to the page, LS & striking strength should not be directly compared, and only be rated based off the showings. I am unsure if Primal Projections HDE would qualify for Immeasurable LS, if a knowledgeable member or staff could let me know that'd be appreciated. This scales to Lee who defeated it and Ishmael for obvious reasons.
I would also like to give Primal Projection/Ishmael large size type 10, as the Primal Projection is made up of countless spatial dimensions and Ishmael exists as a higher dimensional being beyond it with it just being one of her lower dimensional avatars. Though, I am uncertain if they will qualify or not due to whatever reason regarding the rating of our tier so if it's denied along with the previous proposal, then that's cool.

Lastly, I'm unsure if I actually have to include this in the CRT as I heard things of this nature did not require a CRT, but I'm going to ask just to be safe. I'd like to add references and slightly revise the look to Rosetta's page (but will not be editing any scans or adding any abilities, simply adding references and changing the image a bit) and I'd like to do the same to The Hetero Egg profile.
I also request changing the multiple selves from type 2 to type 1 because while the egg is stated to be the consciousness of Cinderelik, and consciousness can sometimes refer to more than just the mind, the concept of souls outside of Awakened Machines is a little dubious for Constructs and Ascendants at the moment.

Agree: Vietthai96 (Agree for everything aside from large size) Theglassman12 (Shares Vietthai's opinion)
Neutral:
Disagree:
Unknown: ActuallySpaceMan42 (Agreed aside from things that were already changed current stance is unknown)

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[Robinnndesu]

Nyello, happy to contribute to the verse like Alipheese stated, it's already been looked through and scrutinized, but if there are any minor hiccups on the profiles that we must have missed, feel free to shoot a message regarding 'em.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Bump

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Bump

 

[Hayato5652]

Absolutely Agree

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Bump

 

[Hizack123]

Agree

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

Alpha Crimson Weave's standard equipment should be changed to 'Daisho' which is a set of Odachi and Kodachi, not Odachi alone. The standard equipment should also include 'Motorbolt', her motorbike

Lamia profile seems good, I agree with everything elso also

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

The motorbolt is not a standard equipment that's combat applicable outside of game mechanics, so as cool as it is it won't be getting added. The Daisho change can be added though yeah.

 

[Hayato5652]

Bump

 

[Vietthai96]

Lee Hyperreal should also be given logic manip, as he rewrote the Hetero Tower's core laws and logic (he already has law hax and Cradle is already accepted to have logic hax scaling from him)

Disagree with Logic hax, there is no logic hax for now and the context of logic referring to how the tower operate, which is just another fest for law hax

Cradle's Agent Zero Key should be given law hax scaling from Lee because she was then able to corrupt and rewrite the core that Lee originally rewrote (she already has logic hax, don't ask me how I forgot to add this)

Again just law hax, not logic hax

Logic hax is supposely a power that create logical paradox, turn something logically possible into logically impossible, or vice versa,

Primal Projection/Ishmael at least infinite LS as Primal Projection tosses a newborn universe at you.

Infinite LS is fine since iirc the universe is infinite, though why Lee are also include?

I am unsure if Primal Projections HDE would qualify for Immeasurable LS, if a knowledgeable member or staff could let me know that'd be appreciated. This scales to Lee who defeated it and Ishmael for obvious reasons.

No, HDE doesn't give you Immeasurable LS by default, we literally having Infinite Zamasu from Dragon Ball who merged with the entire space-time universe and didn't get Immeasurable LS

Projection/Ishmael large size type 10, as the Primal Projection is made up of countless spatial dimensions and Ishmael exists as a higher dimensional being beyond it with it just being one of her lower dimensional avatars. Though, I am uncertain if they will qualify or not due to whatever reason regarding the rating of our tier so if it's denied along with the previous proposal, then that's cool.

Possibly Large Size type 10 is fine then

Lastly, I'm unsure if I actually have to include this in the CRT as I heard things of this nature did not require a CRT, but I'm going to ask just to be safe. I'd like to add references and slightly revise the look to Rosetta's page (but will not be editing any scans or adding any abilities, simply adding references and changing the image a bit) and I'd like to do the same to The Hetero Egg profile.
I also request changing the multiple selves from type 2 to type 1 because while the egg is stated to be the consciousness of Cinderelik

This is fine then

 

[Hayato5652]

Possibly Large Size type 10 is fine then

This is fine then

The body of Primal Projection, or Ishmael, is composed of countless spatial dimensions and causalities, It has qualified as HDE, and I also think the innumerable spatial dimensions correspond with Large size Type 10

A incorporeal entity created from the collection of projections from countless dimensions. They originally had neither a fixed body, nor a unified consiousness, but weaved together by borrowing the constantly changing laws of casaulity at the top of the hetero tower, a small fraction of their power is projected here, to question the species who knocks on their door-the lifeform known as humans.

Since Ishmael, when descending to lower dimensions, transforms from the Primal Projection into the Parhelion Ishmael, because its size in the Primal Projection form is too large, and also loses its HDE once it becomes the Parhelion, in my opinion there is no contradiction.

I hope you change your mind and that there will be no need for "possibly."

 

[Vietthai96]

Collection of projections, not the dimensions themselves

Edit: Nvm, i disagree with Large Size, collection of projections doesn't mean anything

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Disagree with Logic hax, there is no logic hax for now and the context of logic referring to how the tower operate, which is just another fest for law hax

Again just law hax, not logic hax

Logic hax is supposely a power that create logical paradox, turn something logically possible into logically impossible, or vice versa,

What? No it isn't? That's a hyper specific kind of logic hax, that staff CRT with logic hax hasn't even reached a proper conclusion yet, and even it was mostly agreed in there that outside of very specific examples logic hax is generally a subset of law hax. Also even in the CRT logic hax is not just a power that creates a logical paradox, so I don't understand that specifically being your reason for the disagree.

Infinite LS is fine since iirc the universe is infinite, though why Lee are also include?

Mainly scales to Lee since he beats the Primal Projection and has the power to fuse with himself from all universe's. Can change it just to a "up to infinite" or something like that instead.

This is fine then

Alright.

collection of projections doesn't mean anything

?

 

[Vietthai96]

What? No it isn't? That's a hyper specific kind of logic hax, that staff CRT with logic hax hasn't even reached a proper conclusion yet, and even it was mostly agreed in there that outside of very specific examples logic hax is generally a subset of law hax. Also even in the CRT logic hax is not just a power that creates a logical paradox, so I don't understand that specifically being your reason for the disagree.

Still law hax

?

Collection of projections, not the dimensions themselves

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Still law hax

Well yeah but at that point you're kinda contradicting what you originally said. Well once the logic hax stuff is actually sorted out, assuming it isn't barred behind 1A which seems to be the general case I'll worry about it then.

collection of projections doesn't mean anything

Um...? Doesn't really clear up what you meant but whatever.

 

[Vietthai96]

Well yeah but at that point you're kinda contradicting what you originally said. Well once the logic hax stuff is actually sorted out, assuming it isn't barred behind 1A which seems to be the general case I'll worry about it then.

You are focusing too much on the word logic while discarding the contexts, the contexts literally using the term logic to describe how the tower operate, which is just law. Logic hax is you create suppose contradiction, it doesn't need to be 1-A to High 1-A+

Um...? Doesn't really clear up what you meant but whatever.

Projections of dimenions =/= being dimensions themselves, or make of of those dimensions, it doesn't mean anything

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

You are focusing too much on the word logic while discarding the contexts, the contexts literally using the term logic to describe how the tower operate, which is just law. Logic hax is you create suppose contradiction, it doesn't need to be 1-A to High 1-A+

I've never once heard that logic hax was limited to creating contradictions, and even the staff CRT doesn't limit it to that but that's fine, I'm not going to discuss it any further.

Projections of dimenions =/= being dimensions themselves, or make of of those dimensions, it doesn't mean anything

If it doesn't mean anything then why does she have HDE? You're completely misunderstanding how projections in PGR operate, if you're a projection of someone or something in PGR then you're just literally an avatar of it. If being a projection actually meant nothing then she shouldn't have any HDE or AE or hell, she wouldn't even have immortality type 9 due to being an avatar of Ishmael's true form. The story would not go out of it's way to explain that she's made up of spatial dimensions and causality, I honestly don't really care much if her large size type 10 is denied or accepted, I think I made this pretty clear in the OP but this line of reasoning just comes off as incredibly disingenuous to me.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Regardless, I'm completely fine with just removing it. I will put you down as agree for the 2 profiles presented along with the infinite LS of Projection and axe everything else. I trust this is fine with you?

 

[Vietthai96]

I've never once heard that logic hax was limited to creating contradictions, and even the staff CRT doesn't limit it to that but that's fine, I'm not going to discuss it any further

Currently my health is not well (cold, fever, etc...) but anything can change in the future, let the Logic hax page come out first, so we can revisit this topic in the future, currently Logic is under Law hax, some verses have even better logic feats, still listed under Law hax

Anyway, i think i have evaluated everything, you probably should ask other staffs to evaluate, my job is done i guess

 

[Hayato5652]

Currently my health is not well (cold, fever, etc...) but anything can change in the future, let the Logic hax page come out first, so we can revisit this topic in the future, currently Logic is under Law hax, some verses have even better logic feats, still listed under Law hax

Anyway, i think i have evaluated everything, you probably should ask other staffs to evaluate, my job is done i guess

Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts, and I hope you feel better very soon.
If possible, I would kindly ask you to tag some of the staff members. Thank you

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Currently my health is not well (cold, fever, etc...) but anything can change in the future, let the Logic hax page come out first, so we can revisit this topic in the future, currently Logic is under Law hax, some verses have even better logic feats, still listed under Law hax

Yeah I agree.

Anyway, i think i have evaluated everything, you probably should ask other staffs to evaluate, my job is done i guess

Alright, thanks for your evaluation and feel better.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[AlipheeseXIV]

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[Vietthai96]

Hmm, locking back, i think i'm fine with logic hax now, though there are currently no logic manipulation page so better to put the feat in law manipulation, for the time being

 

[Hayato5652]

Hmm, locking back, i think i'm fine with logic hax now, though there are currently no logic manipulation page so better to put the feat in law manipulation, for the time being

Could you please tag some of the staff members?

 

[Vietthai96]

@LephyrTheRevanchist @Qawsedf234 @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Reiner04

I was asked to tag some staffs, so your help is appreciated

Also OP should add vote tally

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Hmm, locking back, i think i'm fine with logic hax now, though there are currently no logic manipulation page so better to put the feat in law manipulation, for the time being

Alright, I'll just leave it as is basically until the logic hax staff CRT goes through pretty much.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Bump

 

[Shiraito983]

agree fra

 

[Richtofen115rdg5]

I don't think the time lag calculation here can be used as an actual feat, it is purely a game mechanic and cannot be used. Same with Lamia profile

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I don't think the time lag calculation here can be used as an actual feat, it is purely a game mechanic and cannot be used. Same with Lamia profile

Not how it works, it can be used, the game examples there refer to things that make no sense and undermine things like tiers (by damaging objects that characters realistically should not be able to damage) anti feats (like with Mario) or give invalid speed scaling (by moving across the map in seconds) etc. It's only not allowed in extreme scenarios like this. If game mechanics weren't allowed at all then things like matrix would be removed, similar abilities such as time slow in Honkai Impact would be removed, durability negation in Arknights would be removed, you wouldn't even have abilities like damage boost or in extreme cases resistance negation.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

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