NARUTO CRT. SHIBAI Ōtsutsuki Revisiting (HDE)

[Shi4njutsu]

1. The Principal Argument: "Kōjigen no Senzai" (Higher-Dimensional Existence)

The main point of the debate revolves around the expression 「高次元の存在」 (Kōjigen no Senzai), which can be translated as “Existence of a Higher Dimension” or “Higher-Dimensional Existence.”

Many people discussing this phrase only focus on the word “Kōjigen” (高次元 = Higher Dimension) and interpret it merely as a reference to a “higher dimension” in a vague or metaphorical sense. However, they often overlook the second and most crucial component: “Senzai” (存在 = Existence). The presence of “Senzai” makes the statement far more explicit and concrete. It does not simply say that something is “related to a higher dimension” — it directly asserts that the being in question exists as a higher-dimensional entity. In other words, it is not just about “accessing” or “relating to” higher dimensions, but about a complete ontological( philosophy
pertaining to the branch of metaphysics that deals with the nature of being) state of existence at that higher plane.

This distinction is critical. By specifying existence rather than mere relation, the statement strongly implies a genuine transcendence into a higher mode of being. It is not metaphorical language about power, but rather a metaphysical classification of the character’s dimensional nature. From a mathematical and physical standpoint, the notion of higher-dimensional existence has clear implications. For example:

A 3-dimensional being cannot be fully comprehended by a 2-dimensional being, since the lower-dimensional entity can only perceive projections or shadows of the higher one.

Extending this logic, a higher-dimensional existence (4D, 5D, etc.) would transcend the totality of our familiar 3D + time framework, existing beyond it in ways that fundamentally surpass lower-dimensional perception.
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OTHERS BACK-UPS TO PROOF THAT SONZAI=EXISTANCE :


2. The Confirmation from Momoshiki

The reliability of Amado’s statement about Shibai being a higher-dimensional existence is not only supported by the text itself, but also independently confirmed by Momoshiki. This confirmation adds a crucial layer of credibility because Momoshiki operates on a spiritual/mental plane that transcends the ordinary physical world.

When Momoshiki speaks about Shibai, he explicitly makes it clear that Shibai is not present within his own spiritual/mental plane, nor within the ordinary physical plane. Instead, he identifies Shibai as existing on a superior plane in all respects. This is extremely important:Momoshiki is a being who perceives both spiritual and physical parts of existence.

If even he cannot place Shibai in those realities and instead support the fact that Shibai is beyond them it implies Shibai’s transcendence is not hyperbolic but literal.

Thus Shibai is affirmed to dwell in a plane higher than both spiritual and physical existence, which naturally aligns with the concept of higher-dimensional existence (HDE).The claim does not stand alone. It is consistent with earlier supporting statements from other key characters:

Isshiki’s statement: To become a “God” one must consume planet after planet across the entire universe/cosmos. This phrasing explicitly references the universe as a whole framing godhood as something beyond the cosmic scale. The ultimate result is described as achieving a “flawless/unique existence higher than all.” This matches the exact language of transcendence and uniqueness that aligns with higher-dimensional existence.

Shikamaru’s statement: He asserts that a “God” is defined as being flawless. In natural language, “flawless” does not merely mean “very strong” — it carries the sense of perfection, without limitation, transcending all imperfections inherent to finite beings. This is consistent with the concept of a being who has surpassed every boundary of their verse.
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3. Religious & Philosophical Back-Up: Buddhism

Another important layer of support for Shibai’s transcendence comes from the influence of Buddhist philosophy, which Kishimoto has openly stated plays a role in the conceptual foundation of Naruto and Boruto.

In Buddhism, two fundamental concepts stand out:

Samsāra (संसार / 輪廻) – The endless cycle of karmic reincarnations, bound by birth death, and rebirth. It is the plane of suffering, limitation, and impermanence.

Nirvāṇa (涅槃) – The liberation from Samsāra. It represents freedom from the cycle of death and rebirth, the transcendence of suffering, and the attainment of a higher state of being beyond all ordinary existence These concepts were explicitly integrated into the Naruto/Boruto universe:

Hagoromo (the Sage of Six Paths) is portrayed as someone who escaped this karmic cycle rising above the limitations of reincarnation.

Indra and Ashura continued the cycle of Samsāra through their reincarnations which eventually culminated in Naruto and Sasuke.

The Kāma of the Ōtsutsuki is in essence, another expression of this cycle of rebirth, a karmic imprint that allows continuation of existence.which shows the superiority of shibai (this part is a logic supposition back-up im not trying to wank shibai thank you for your understanding)
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4. CONCLUSION: SHIBAI LOW BALL 4D-HIGH BALL 5D, I HOPE THIS THREAD IS USEFUL, IT'S MY FIRST TIME SO THANK YOU TO READ AND TAKE TIME TO UNDERSTAND AND THANKS TO ALL THE FRENCH AND ENGLISH NARUTO/BORUTO COMMUNITY FOR YOUR HELP TO CREATE THIS THREAD
HELPERS: @LUCIEN @IPW @IVOX @TONYJC @PROWESS @Dragon CLOVER

Agree: (WITH 4D IN GENERAL)

Ghostimuscrime​

Samlex1234​

MrTayman616​

ExcelsisBerny​

NIERRE (THREAD MODERATOR)​

Shadowbokunohero​

Elyartaker​

LuffyRuffy46307​

Gamecooob​

HelloThere1089​

K'rimuru​

Griffin(ADMINSTRATOR)​

GODERNET (THREAD MODERATOR)​

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Neutral:

Disagree:

IvarUHQ​

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[Ghostimuscrime]

CRT looks too well made for a new member who’s alt are you?! Jk

The distinction in higher dimensional existence does make it much more straightforward than simply someone going to another dimension, I wanted to implement this at my own time after some verse wide revisions but I believe you have worded it better than I care to, so good work and welcome to the wiki!

I find the Buddhism stuff to be goon arguments but aside those easy agreement from me

 

[Samlex1234]

Following…

 

[Shi4njutsu]

CRT looks too well made for a new member who’s alt are you?! Jk

The distinction in higher dimensional existence does make it much more straightforward than simply someone going to another dimension, I wanted to implement this at my own time after some verse wide revisions but I believe you have worded it better than I care to, so good work and welcome to the wiki!

I find the Buddhism stuff to be goon arguments (the kishimoto interview scan regarding Buddhism is straight up fanmade I’ll assume you weren’t aware of that) but aside those easy agreement from me

i have a question, in "agree" i can put you? or only the admin or moderators?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

You can add members to the agreement pile just make sure thread moderator or administrator votes are bolded since those are what pass actual changes

 

[DavidTPPM]

You should try getting the necessary translations checked by the translation helper group so it's "officially" checked and approved. Since big part of your thread relies on them

 

[Shi4njutsu]

You should try getting the necessary translations checked by the translation helper group so it's "officially" checked and approved. Since big part of your thread relies on them

oh i didn't know this group i'm gonna try joining them but you can translate if u want it's gonna be correct with jisho,Goo,Jap... ty anyways

 

[DavidTPPM]

oh i don't know this group i'm gonna try joining them but you can translate if u want it's gonna be correct with jisho,Goo,Jap... ty anyways

It doesn't necessarily need to be specifically a translation group member but it has to be an actual reliable translator who understands the language

 

[Shi4njutsu]

Sup man.. For the Buddhism section kindly remove the fake scans and make sure you readjust the arguments or remove them. You have done very well overall and I don't want any mistake to affect this CRT. Also, put me down as agreeing though I believe it is above 4d based on Momo's statement. Try not to clog the CRT with many comments.

just a question, a CRT it takes normally what time to get accepted or refused by moderators?

 

[IvarUHQ]

You cannot ask for 4D or 5D; you should provide evidence regarding the dimension of Shibai, in addition to the fact that Shibai's “higher dimension” strictly corresponds to a four-dimensional axis in the mathematical sense (like a
with a new perpendicular axis). The same applies to 5D.
In what you sent us, we talk about the existence of a higher dimension, but without specifying the exact nature of this dimension.
This does not necessarily mean that Shibai has an “x4” axis as in an R4 space.
It could be a dimension of another order (metaphysical, ontological) that corresponds very well to what you sent us, by the way.
In mathematics, an additional dimension is a new perpendicular axis that can be measured (such as moving from R2 space to R3 space).
In the case of Shibai, the higher dimension shows more of a metaphysical and spiritual existence. There is no indication that it can be associated with a measurable axis.
So, until proven otherwise, I disagree.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Vous ne pouvez pas demander de 4D ou de 5D ; vous devriez fournir des preuves concernant la dimension de Shibai, en plus du fait que la « dimension supérieure » de Shibai correspond strictement à un axe à quatre dimensions au sens mathématique (comme un ​

avec un nouvel axe perpendiculaire). Il en va de même pour la 5D.​

Dans ce que vous nous avez envoyé, nous parlons de l’existence d’une dimension supérieure, mais sans préciser la nature exacte de cette dimension.​

Cela ne signifie pas nécessairement que Shibai a un axe « x4 » comme dans un espace R4​

Il pourrait s’agir d’une dimension d’un autre ordre (métaphysique, ontologique) qui correspond très bien à ce que vous nous avez envoyé, soit dit en passant.​

En mathématiques, une dimension supplémentaire est un nouvel axe perpendiculaire qui peut être mesuré (comme passer de l’espace R2 à l’espace R3).​

Dans le cas de Shibai, la dimension supérieure montre davantage une existence métaphysique et spirituelle. Rien n’indique qu’il puisse être associé à un axe mesurable.​

Donc, jusqu’à preuve du contraire, je ne suis pas d’accord​

In English, please

 

[IvarUHQ]

I would like to add one thing: the qualifier
Measurement or continuity: can exceed infinite objects by having a non-zero size in a higher-dimensional space.
Necessary evidence: Claims must be justified by concrete properties, not just by the title or description.
Multiple dimensions: The object or entity must exist in more than 3 dimensions.
I have not included the others, as I believe that Shibai already does not comply with these.

 

[Shi4njutsu]

You cannot ask for 4D or 5D; you should provide evidence regarding the dimension of Shibai, in addition to the fact that Shibai's “higher dimension” strictly corresponds to a four-dimensional axis in the mathematical sense (like a ​

with a new perpendicular axis). The same applies to 5D.​

In what you sent us, we talk about the existence of a higher dimension, but without specifying the exact nature of this dimension.​

This does not necessarily mean that Shibai has an “x4” axis as in an R4 space.​

It could be a dimension of another order (metaphysical, ontological) that corresponds very well to what you sent us, by the way.​

In mathematics, an additional dimension is a new perpendicular axis that can be measured (such as moving from R2 space to R3 space).​

In the case of Shibai, the higher dimension shows more of a metaphysical and spiritual existence. There is no indication that it can be associated with a measurable axis.​

So, until proven otherwise, I disagree.​

Okay Very interesting Counter argument but it seems you haven't rode good my thread we are talking about his dimensional existance so it's straigh forward a statement with Mathematical context and i showed all the proofs,translations for it so you think that it can be interpreted as a metaphorical statement when we are talking about his existance and Momoshiki who's in a spiritual realm claim that shibai isn't with us and a Spiritual realm can have HDE but for shibai it is not explicit that it is a Spiritual realm and you are saying "i think" i don't want what u think i want a clear couter-argument, your writing counter argument is a good argument for a statement like "Higher dimension" but here it is more explicit and clear than that we are talking about his existance + all the Back-ups and u didn't gave factually any proofs that support your claims.

 

[Shi4njutsu]

I would like to add one thing: the qualifier
Measurement or continuity: can exceed infinite objects by having a non-zero size in a higher-dimensional space.
Necessary evidence: Claims must be justified by concrete properties, not just by the title or description.
Multiple dimensions: The object or entity must exist in more than 3 dimensions.
I have not included the others, as I believe that Shibai already does not comply with these.

Proporties can be expressed in a lot of differents forms in fiction depending the Author so i explicitely showed a representation of a GOD in the view of isshiki and what Ishhiki meant is the fact that a God and a Superiority and all the precedents arguments so you're just refuting to annoy ppl ngl it is explicit that we are talking about his existance and not a place where he went after his transcendance so i would like you to clarify your arguments.

 

[Shi4njutsu]

I would like to add one thing: the qualifier
Measurement or continuity: can exceed infinite objects by having a non-zero size in a higher-dimensional space.
Necessary evidence: Claims must be justified by concrete properties, not just by the title or description.
Multiple dimensions: The object or entity must exist in more than 3 dimensions.
I have not included the others, as I believe that Shibai already does not comply with these.

So here you have ur proof=高次元の存在

 

[IvarUHQ]

Okay Very interesting Counter argument but it seems you haven't rode good my thread we are talking about his dimensional existance so it's straigh forward a statement with Mathematical context and i showed all the proofs,translations for it so you think that it can be interpreted as a metaphorical statement when we are talking about his existance and Momoshiki who's in a spiritual realm claim that shibai isn't with us and a Spiritual realm can have HDE but for shibai it is not explicit that it is a Spiritual realm and you are saying "i think" i don't want what u think i want a clear couter-argument, your writing counter argument is a good argument for a statement like "Higher dimension" but here it is more explicit and clear than that we are talking about his existance + all the Back-ups and u didn't gave factually any proofs that support your claims.

The fact that the dimension is mathematical does not prove that it is 4D/5D.
In mathematics, we define an n-dimensional space with n being any positive integer (or even infinity).
But the dimension you are talking about, that of shibai, can be anything: time, an abstract quantity, etc.
So it could simply be an abstract dimension, even if it is mathematical, because n can define a space with coordinates that do not represent physical lengths or axes.
So you would have to prove all that.

 

[IvarUHQ]

Furthermore, everything you said about Momoshiki is a non sequitur because you explicitly stated that since Momoshiki perceives the spiritual and physical planes and does not perceive Shibai, this necessarily implies that we are talking about a higher dimension.

 

[IvarUHQ]

Last point: in the manga, it is stated that Shibai's physical existence in the higher dimension is not necessary, whereas if we are talking about a higher 4D dimension with a higher axis, physical existence must be necessary because he must exist physically in a 4-dimensional space, so the higher dimension is just a spiritual or metaphysical dimension.

 

[Shi4njutsu]

I would like to add one thing: the qualifier
Measurement or continuity: can exceed infinite objects by having a non-zero size in a higher-dimensional space.
Necessary evidence: Claims must be justified by concrete properties, not just by the title or description.
Multiple dimensions: The object or entity must exist in more than 3 dimensions.
I have not included the others, as I believe that Shibai already does not comply with these.

it is not just a TITLE or DESCRIPTION it's a Fact, clear Statement you aren't developping why it doesn't reliable ? i showed before and in my thread i explained All but i'm going to develop a last time.

So why do i put shibai at that level of Existance because we have a First Statement with Amado who's clearly a reliable source in Boruto he used Shibai cells,he knows the existance of shinjutsu,created all the cyborgs of boruto,allie with Isshiki and is a Intelligent Backed-up by Kishimoto/Ukyo Kodachi with the scientifical sources, so Amado states that Shibai acheived a EXISTANCE of a Higher Dimension thanks to the vast amount fruit that he eated and his transcendance to Karmic ressurection and Momoshiki who's literally of the same race as Shibai confirms the statement and the history of shibai and added this statement "Shibai is no longer in this Dimension(Universe 4D of NARUTO/BORUTO)" knowing that Momoshiki is on a spiritual/mental plane and he can see both physical via boruto and spiritual and he's even gonna ssume that shibai is no longer with them and with precedent statement of Amado about the existance of shibai it makes the HDE more consistent one more time you're not refutating the principal argument. + you have Isshiki and Shikimaru who back-ups the fact that a GOD is meant to be perfect,flawless and superiour all aspects to them as a inferiour existance and even with all of that you don't understand that the HDE of Shibai is reliable then you're just ragebaiting cuz you don't wanna a Shibai upscale and we know that otsutsuki have a connection with space and cosmos and that Connection is what isshiki was talking about the will of otsutsuki is to be stronger and stronger thanks to chakra fruits and reincarnation/ressurection until they acheive like i said before a Higher Existance/state that makes them flawless and Unique so we have all the back-ups and the context necessary, that's all Thanks for reading.

 

[Shi4njutsu]

Furthermore, everything you said about Momoshiki is a non sequitur because you explicitly stated that since Momoshiki perceives the spiritual and physical planes and does not perceive Shibai, this necessarily implies that we are talking about a higher dimension.

nah it's what we call a "support argument/back-up argument" my dear Ivar and it's a valid back-up with the conext so you're always not refutating

 

[Shi4njutsu]

Last point: in the manga, it is stated that Shibai's physical existence in the higher dimension is not necessary, whereas if we are talking about a higher 4D dimension with a higher axis, physical existence must be necessary because he must exist physically in a 4-dimensional space, so the higher dimension is just a spiritual or metaphysical dimension.

WHAT?? excuse me a HDE needs to be necessesaly a Physical Character what you talking about ? a Spiritual Realm can be HDE and we aren't talking about the place where shibai IS but WHAT shibai IS and it is said that "he entered in a dimension where physical body ISN'T REQUIRED" it isn't said that you can't have a physical body to enter to the dimension but that you don't need necesseraly a physical body to enter it and in fiction there are a lot of characters who aren't physical but transcend dimensions mathematically like Veldanava,Arceus,The Presence... and one more time you didn't show me any proof to your claim

 

[Shi4njutsu]

The fact that the dimension is mathematical does not prove that it is 4D/5D.
In mathematics, we define an n-dimensional space with n being any positive integer (or even infinity).
But the dimension you are talking about, that of shibai, can be anything: time, an abstract quantity, etc.
So it could simply be an abstract dimension, even if it is mathematical, because n can define a space with coordinates that do not represent physical lengths or axes.
So you would have to prove all that.

Bro ONE MORE TIME you are attacking the bad Argument i am not saying shibai is a HDE cuz the statement is "higher dimension" the statement is talking about his EXISTANCE so yeah you're definitely ragebaiting

 

[IvarUHQ]

Bro ONE MORE TIME you are attacking the bad Argument i am not saying shibai is a HDE cuz the statement is "higher dimension" the statement is talking about his EXISTANCE so yeah you're definitely ragebaiting

I only refute the fact that it is a HDE 4D/5D.

 

[IvarUHQ]

If you had read what I wrote carefully, you would know that I am not refuting the fact that he has an HDE. I am refuting the fact that his HDE is 4D/5D. You need to learn to read.

 

[IvarUHQ]

I have only refuted it now. My decision is irrelevant, so let's wait for the staff to read all this and give a positive or negative vote

 

[Shi4njutsu]

I only refute the fact that it is a HDE

If you had read what I wrote carefully, you would know that I am not refuting the fact that he has an HDE. I am refuting the fact that his HDE is 4D/5D. You need to learn to read.

a HDE=Higher dimensional Existance if we start to the baseline that the Majority of Characters are 3D then their HDE is minimum 4D and you're saying that i don't read carefully but the one who isn't understanding and reading is you if you read the title of this thread is LOW BALL 4D AND HIGH BALL 5D now the moderators if theyagree but the 5D is too much for them then 4D but the 5D is explained in my thread with momoshiki statement so if you assume that there is a HDE then you're contradicting yourself in trying to debunk momoshiki statement who goes in correleation with Amado...

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

It could be a dimension of another order (metaphysical, ontological) that corresponds very well to what you sent us, by the way.
In mathematics, an additional dimension is a new perpendicular axis that can be measured (such as moving from R2 space to R3 space).
In the case of Shibai, the higher dimension shows more of a metaphysical and spiritual existence. There is no indication that it can be associated with a measurable axis.

he gave reasons for why it isn't just metaphysical, you ignored that and said "yeah this is metaphysical"

total non argument, if you're not even gonna read the arguments and parrot whatever debunk you heard online, you shouldn't engage with the thread

 

[IvarUHQ]

he gave reasons for why it isn't just metaphysical, you ignored that and said "yeah this is metaphysical"

total non argument, if you're not even gonna read the arguments and parrot whatever debunk you heard online, you shouldn't engage with the thread

There is no evidence that this higher dimension is 4D/5D, and the fact that it is higher than the Naruto universe, which is supposedly 4D, is still not proof. He has provided no evidence that it is 4D or 5D, other than that it is a higher dimension, that it is mathematical, and that he exists within this dimension, so until proven otherwise, there is neither 4D nor 5D, so the fact that I say it is metaphysical or spiritual is neither false nor true until proven otherwise. When you respond to someone, be sure you have understood what they have written

 

[Shi4njutsu]

There is no evidence that this higher dimension is 4D/5D, and the fact that it is higher than the Naruto universe, which is supposedly 4D, is still not proof. He has provided no evidence that it is 4D or 5D, other than that it is a higher dimension, that it is mathematical, and that he exists within this dimension, so until proven otherwise, there is neither 4D nor 5D, so the fact that I say it is metaphysical or spiritual is neither false nor true until proven otherwise. When you respond to someone, be sure you have understood what they have written

i don't agree with your counter arguments, you're saying cuz the cosmology is 4D then a HDE mathematical can't exist when Boruto isn't finished and why are talking about the Dimension my principal argument is his Existance not the dimension

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

There is no evidence that this higher dimension is 4D/5D, and the fact that it is higher than the Naruto universe, which is supposedly 4D, is still not proof. He has provided no evidence that it is 4D or 5D, other than that it is a higher dimension, that it is mathematical, and that he exists within this dimension, so until proven otherwise, there is neither 4D nor 5D, so the fact that I say it is metaphysical or spiritual is neither false nor true until proven otherwise. When you respond to someone, be sure you have understood what they have written

you can dismiss any argument by saying "there isnt evidence" that doesn't even address any of his arguments, it achieves nothing

and you're repeating the same lines over and over again like a broken record, if you're gonna keep up that behavior I'm just gonna ask a staff to come delete your comments for cluttering up the thread

 

[IvarUHQ]

i don't agree with your counter arguments, you're saying cuz the cosmology is 4D then a HDE mathematical can't exist when Boruto isn't finished and why are talking about the Dimension my principal argument is his Existance not the dimension

Because you claim that it exists within this dimension, I refute the dimension, which amounts to the same thing, given that if the dimension, for example, is not 4D, it has no 4D existence. It's as simple as that. So, in order to claim that it has an existence in this dimensionality, you have to prove that the higher dimension has the dimensionality that you claim, which is 4D or 5D

 

[IvarUHQ]

you can dismiss any argument by saying "there isnt evidence" that doesn't even address any of his arguments, it achieves nothing
all you're doing is cluttering up the thread with nonsensical arguments from ignorance


and that too by repeating the same lines over and over again, if you're gonna keep up that behavior I'm just gonna ask a staff to come delete your comments due to clutter

No comments will be deleted, and Shibai will not have HDE 4D or 5D. I see that you are panicking. This thread is not worthy of Boruto supporters. There is no solid evidence in what he has written

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

 

[Samlex1234]

WHAT?? excuse me a HDE needs to be necessesaly a Physical Character what you talking about ? a Spiritual Realm can be HDE andwe aren't talking about the place where shibai IS but WHAT shibai IS and it is said that "he entered in a dimension where physical body ISN'T REQUIRED" it isn't said that you can't have a physical body to enter to the dimension and in fiction there are a lot of characters who aren't physical but transcend dimensions mathematically like Veldanava,Arceus,The Presence... and one more time you didn't show me any proof to your claims

I was going to say this, and honestly, I still have a lot more points to add, but I’ll keep it brief for now.

The Ascended State Depiction


This is the only direct depiction we have of Shibai’s ascended state. The imagery unmistakably shows that the god is transcending the universal scale, with the cosmos contained within his very being.

 

[MrTayman616]

"Higher dimension" in most cases refers to mathematical dimensions. There is no reason to think otherwise unless there are anti feats or that it's just visibly not the case. The statement is from the canon source itself, i don't see any problem here.

I don't remember any anti feat based on what i remember from the manga as well, so i agree with HDE for 4D.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

not necessarily, my Principal argument is his Existance if u assume that you can't debunk this statement and you have to look at the dimension cuz if shibai is 4D or 5D then the dimension too then you are doing are just ragebaiting cuz you know that his existance mathematical but you want the proofs of his dimension too? None-sense if his existance is HDE then the Dimension too we assume that cuz it's very consistent and logical you just want to change the statement to your favor so have a little understanding and assume that you're just ragebaiting cuz u don't wanna shibai be HDE in a mathematically way and you are avoiding the principal argument and the back-ups of momo so yeah

You don’t have to keep going in circles with him, if both of you have presented each others cases then leave it upto staff judgement


If you keep filling up page after page, no one’s gonna wanna evaluate this

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

高次元の存在 is the mathematical definition of a higher dimension and is often used in japanese media specifically scifi to imply something beyond the usual 3-D space, now of course these can also be used in a metaphorical sense even if the original kanji is scientific in nature but the context is normally self evident for it not to be used literally, an example would be someone using it as means to highlight the gap in power between people despite the fact that the two people can interact in a 3D space, but in the case of shibai its not really used like that, its very blunt that its the discarding of the physical form to ascend to this higher dimension. while metaphysical or spiritual ascension is possible its not really common for those instances to use 高次元の存在, more often than not you'll get something like 高次の世界 (こうじのせかい or 悟りの境地 (さとりのきょうち which relates more to spiritual or metaphysically and sometimes conceptual states of existence, commonly found in very religious influenced or fantasy (less sci fi) works

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I agree with the 4D HDE too. It's really blatant.

 

[IvarUHQ]

高次元の存在 is the mathematical definition of a higher dimension and is often used in japanese media specifically scifi to imply something beyond the usual 3-D space, now of course these can also be used in a metaphorical sense even if the original kanji is scientific in nature but the context is normally self evident for it not to be used literally, an example would be someone using it as means to highlight the gap in power between people despite the fact that the two people can interact in a 3D space, but in the case of shibai its not really used like that, its very blunt that its the discarding of the physical form to ascend to this higher dimension. while metaphysical or spiritual ascension is possible its not really common for those instances to use 高次元の存在, more often than not you'll get something like 高次の世界 (こうじのせかい or 悟りの境地 (さとりのきょうち which relates more to spiritual or metaphysically and sometimes conceptual states of existence, commonly found in very religious influenced or fantasy (less sci fi) works

The kanji are not enough, several things are missing, prove that shibai has more than 3 independent coordinates so at least 4 then because the dimension of a space is exactly the minimum number of coordinates necessary without it no HDE, then an additional axis that is proven it will join the fact of having 1 independent coordinate in addition, the entity must carry out operations that a 3D being cannot do because certain constraints only exist in a given dimension and disappear in a higher dimension, the terms higher dimension even with math kanji or higher realm are refused if there is no explicit reference to higher axes just that's enough shibai has no qualifier and you only based on kanji

 

[MrTayman616]

The kanji are not enough, several things are missing, prove that shibai has more than 3 independent coordinates so at least 4 then because the dimension of a space is exactly the minimum number of coordinates necessary without it no HDE, then an additional axis that is proven it will join the fact of having 1 independent coordinate in addition, the entity must carry out operations that a 3D being cannot do because certain constraints only exist in a given dimension and disappear in a higher dimension, the terms higher dimension even with math kanji or higher realm are refused if there is no explicit reference to higher axes just that's enough shibai has no qualifier and you only based on kanji

You're asking for amount of proof more than needed.

If someone is stated to be a higher dimensional entity + a fifth dimensional being and having power beyond all(Not based on Shibai, just giving example), you could still argue most of the thing you say as long as they don't show it "extremely clearly". It doesn't necessarily require those proofs, though it can be used as an anti feat IF the things you said is shown to be not the case for the character.