Attack On Titan Massive AP & Speed Revision

[Lilybitdun]

Your inventing weaknesses, inventing physics, forgetting how a blade works when talking to a chef and a bladesmith, and are overall all over the place arguing this crap. Does N'zoth have a weakness against piercing damage now? Wrathion is not even CLOSE to an Old God in WoW scaling, and yet he managed to damage it with Xal'atath the dagger!

Big number bad and should be small isn't always the case. You're better off attacking the tier itself, not the blades' scaling.

Cutting a very long explanation with a TLDR: Weekly is not necessarily WRONG on this subject matter, even IRL, and in fiction weapons punching out of their wielder's weight class is not uncommon. see: Arthas, Ryūko, Wrathion, Ulthane, etc.

Here's Reaper's examples btw

 

[Damage3245]

I'll consider it a bit further and go back through the thread when I've got time. For the time being my vote remains to disagree on that part. I also recommend getting more staff to evaluate.

 

[Lilybitdun]

I'll consider it a bit further and go back through the thread when I've got time. For the time being my vote remains to disagree on that part. I also recommend getting more staff to evaluate.

Are you able to ping staff members? Would speed up the process a bit

 

[Huzy]

You haven't listed my votes. I disagree with the current Colossal Titan calc. The Titan weights and the multipliers derived from those. Disagree with the Blades scaling as well.

 

[Lilybitdun]

You haven't listed my votes. I disagree with the current Colossal Titan calc. The Titan weights and the multipliers derived from those. Disagree with the Blades scaling as well.

Sorry about that, I had asked earlier if I had missed any votes due to the amount of pages. Added them
what is your thoughts on the rest of the proposals?

 

[Huzy]

I'm fine with the rest of the proposals.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You haven't listed my votes. I disagree with the current Colossal Titan calc. The Titan weights and the multipliers derived from those. Disagree with the Blades scaling as well.

Which calc?

Again, you will have to make two wiki-wide CRTs before you are allowed to disagree with those.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Which calc?

I believe the Small Town level calc, Huzy had brought up thinking 4 psi is too high for the shockwave to be at

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I believe the Small Town level calc, Huzy had brought up thinking 4 psi is too high for the shockwave to be at

I mean thats what the calc team said to set it to so he'd have to take it up with them, the calc has already been evaluated and accepted so he doesnt really have authority to decline the application

 

[Lilybitdun]

I mean thats what the calc team said to set it to so he'd have to take it up with them, the calc has already been evaluated and accepted so he doesnt really have authority to decline the application

Not necessarily, the validity of a calc can still be argued about even if CGM evaluated it before hand

Would be good to get elaboration from DaleSean on why he said to use 4 psi for the feat

 

[Huzy]

I mean thats what the calc team said to set it to so he'd have to take it up with them, the calc has already been evaluated and accepted so he doesnt really have authority to decline the application

Who do I take it up with specifically

 

[Lilybitdun]

Who do I take it up with specifically

DaleSean027, I had already went to ask him on his message wall about it. It might take a bit for him to see it since he's currently offline

 

[Lilybitdun]

Bump

 

[Lilybitdun]

Bump

 

[Lilybitdun]

Bump

 

[Lilybitdun]

Bump

 

[Godernet]

If the main contention before this goes through is mathematical concerns with one of the calcs, I would take that up in a separate CGM thread.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

If the main contention before this goes through is mathematical concerns with one of the calcs, I would take that up in a separate CGM thread.

Agree.

 

[Lilybitdun]

If the main contention before this goes through is mathematical concerns with one of the calcs, I would take that up in a separate CGM thread.

The main contention is more of if the ODM blades scale or not due to surface area
But I can make a CGM thread for the Colossal Titan calc if needed

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If the main contention before this goes through is mathematical concerns with one of the calcs, I would take that up in a separate CGM thread.

Its just one guy who didnt understand how overpressure calcs worked. The Calc group already went over the feat and agreed on that value for the overpressure

 

[Huzy]

Its just one guy who didnt understand how overpressure calcs worked. The Calc group already went over the feat and agreed on that value for the overpressure

Lol.

 

[Huzy]

The main contention is more of if the ODM blades scale or not due to surface area
But I can make a CGM thread for the Colossal Titan calc if needed

Yes, please do so.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Attack on Titan Colossal Titan Feat

There was contention if using 4 psi for this feat was correct or not https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:WeeklyBattles/Attack_On_Titan:_Bertolt_Throws_Reiner

vsbattles.com

 

[Lilybitdun]

it is kinda frustrating cause I wasn't wanting to add any new calcs in my og proposal in the first place, I was just wanted to fix the current scaling

 

[Lilybitdun]

Okay since the Small Town level feat is called into question I'm going to remove it from the proposal and sandbox, that can be tackled in a future CRT
the colossal titan will instead just be upscaling the City Block+ value from the attack titan
I'll be updating the proposals and sandbox soon

hopefully this will let us focus back on discussing the ODM blade scaling

 

[Lilybitdun]

I'll be updating the proposals and sandbox soon

Updated both

I agree with everything but this here.

this seems fine

I'll consider it a bit further and go back through the thread when I've got time. For the time being my vote remains to disagree on that part. I also recommend getting more staff to evaluate.

Can I get your opinions again now that the colossal titan calc was removed and proposals have been updated? possibly ping more staff members to the thread too

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Updated both



Can I get your opinions again now that the colossal titan calc was removed and proposals have been updated? possibly ping more staff members to the thread too

Has any staff member actually said anything about the calc? Or is it just thw two dudes who dont know how shockwaves work?

 

[Huzy]

Has any staff member actually said anything about the calc? Or is it just thw two dudes who dont know how shockwaves work?

Do you perhaps know how the formula you're using works? Stop with this "you don't know how shockwaves work" shit and actually say something meaningful that refutes the points made in the other thread.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Has any staff member actually said anything about the calc? Or is it just thw two dudes who dont know how shockwaves work?

Listen put your grievances in the CGM thread for that. I think Vzearr's point was very solid and I didn't feel like including a debated calc in my proposals since this CRT has taken longer than I expected and I don't particularly want to wait on something like that. We can do adding new calcs in the next CRT once we got a good list of them evaluated

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Do you perhaps know how the formula you're using works? Stop with this "you don't know how shockwaves work" shit and actually say something meaningful that refutes the points made in the other thread.

The fact that the calc group has already taken a look at the calc and the feat in question, evaluated it and did their own revision of the calc, already adjusted the PSI value from the original value to an agreed on lower value, re-evaluated the revised calc, and then approved the revised calc is more meaningful than one random guy dismissing the feat as a 'visual effect' when it very clearly is not.

 

[Lilybitdun]

The fact that the calc group has already taken a look at the calc and the feat in question, evaluated it and did their own revision of the calc, already adjusted the PSI value to what they agree it is, and then approved the revised calc is more meaningful than one random guy dismissing the calc as a 'visual effect' when it very clearly is not.

You understand a single CGM's word isn't gospel right? This is appeal to authority
This is also ignoring the fact the main point wasn't just "visual effect" but the fact the shockwave is shown doing nothing to either the dust clouds which should get disturbed and the people being entirely unaffected at the distance. Vzearr showed they would be at bare minimum be getting hit with ~1.51 megajoules of energy but we see they aren't effected in the slightest without even their hair or clothing being moved

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You understand a single CGM's word isn't gospel right? This is appeal to authority
This is also ignoring the fact the main point wasn't just "visual effect" but the fact the shockwave is shown doing nothing to either the dust clouds which should get disturbed and the people being entirely unaffected at the distance. Vzearr showed they would be at bare minimum be getting hit with ~1.51 megajoules of energy but we see they aren't effected in the slightest without even their hair or clothing being moved

It was shown to disturb the cloud though, i literally provided a screenshot of it doing so

 

[Huzy]

The fact that the calc group has already taken a look at the calc and the feat in question, evaluated it and did their own revision of the calc, already adjusted the PSI value from the original value to an agreed on lower value, re-evaluated the revised calc, and then approved the revised calc is more meaningful than one random guy dismissing the feat as a 'visual effect' when it very clearly is not.

This is a massive appeal to authority lol. Is that CGM member a god? Can they not make mistakes?

I already explained why that agreed on psi value (or any value on the scale) is inapplicable for the 722 meters radius because of literally zero visible effects at that distance. Your counterargument was either not understanding how the formula works (you can't just input psi at the full radius based on effects near the epicenter) or an appeal to authority which you are doing right now.

 

[Lilybitdun]

It was shown to disturb the cloud though, i literally provided a screenshot of it doing so

You posted a clip, also I checked it again no it doesn't disturb the nearby clouds. It's only shown effecting it's own dust cloud made from the impact, the nearby clouds and the dust near the ground are completely stationary

 

[WeeklyBattles]

This is a massive appeal to authority lol. Is that CGM member a god? Can they not make mistakes?

Unfortunately, the way this community works, no. You would have to contact them directly to get a second opinoin, otherwise there is no arguing against it.

I already explained why that agreed on psi value (or any value on the scale) is inapplicable for the 722 meters radius because of literally zero visible effects at that distance. Your counterargument was either not understanding how the formula works (you can't just input psi at the full radius based on effects near the epicenter) or an appeal to authority which you are doing right now.

The PSI applies to the full distance. That is how the formula works.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You posted a clip, also I checked it again no it doesn't disturb the nearby clouds. It's only shown effecting it's own dust cloud made from the impact, the nearby clouds and the dust near the ground are completely stationary

It does yes, do you need a screenshot of it doing so?

 

[Lilybitdun]

It does yes, do you need a screenshot of it doing so?

Yeah if you want proof to your claims, I didn't see it doing that when I looked over the scene

 

[Lilybitdun]

Also this should be talked about in the CGM thread that's about the feat, not here

 

[Huzy]

The PSI applies to the full distance. That is how the formula works.

No.... Overpressure falls off with distance. You have no idea what you're talking about. With your "apply overpressure to the full radius because of effects I saw way closer to the source" method, the formula becomes useless for predicting actual yields.

 

[Vzearr]

The fact that the calc group has already taken a look at the calc and the feat in question, evaluated it and did their own revision of the calc, already adjusted the PSI value from the original value to an agreed on lower value, re-evaluated the revised calc, and then approved the revised calc is more meaningful than one random guy dismissing the feat as a 'visual effect' when it very clearly is not.

Holy smokes take the L bro, we already debunked you, this is blatant stonewalling now. I don't even mean to be rude but dude, I'm a former calc group member and wrote a god damn paragraph debunking the feat, if that doesn't have some validity, I don't know what does.