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There was contention if using 4 psi for this feat was correct or not
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I agree.Yeah so I'll elaborate on my contention of the PSI usage.
There isn't actually any evidence for 4 PSI, the bones break but that's not from the shockwave that's from the KE of the swing, hell, even 0.1 PSI is a highball, we don't actually see any damage or sand moving, it seems moreso like a visual feat, not a real one.
It does not need to display destructive capacity, it still visually produces a shockwave that powerful. There is no such thing as a 'visual feat' when it comes to a shockwave.Yeah so I'll elaborate on my contention of the PSI usage.
There isn't actually any evidence for 4 PSI, the bones break but that's not from the shockwave that's from the KE of the swing, hell, even 0.1 PSI is a highball, we don't actually see any damage or sand moving, it seems moreso like a visual feat, not a real one.
I don't get what you're saying here?It does not need to display destructive capacity, it still visually produces a shockwave that powerful. There is no such thing as a 'visual feat' when it comes to a shockwave.
"A shockwave that powerful"It does not need to display destructive capacity, it still visually produces a shockwave that powerful. There is no such thing as a 'visual feat' when it comes to a shockwave.
"It doesn't need to do the thing it needs to do in order to be 4psi" is essentially what you just said.It does not need to display destructive capacity, it still visually produces a shockwave that powerful. There is no such thing as a 'visual feat' when it comes to a shockwave.
Destructive Capacity and Attack Potency are two different things. Its the difference between throwing a punch that blow up a planet vs throwing a punch that can hurt a character with Planet level durability.I don't get what you're saying here?
Did you...watch the feat in question? Where are you getting sand from?"A shockwave that powerful"
- Doesn't move sand.
Basically yes, it does not need to do that as it expands. Shockwaves get weaker as they travel, so the force displayed kilometers from the epicenter will be significantly weaker. All explosions work like this."It doesn't need to do the thing it needs to do in order to be 4psi" is essentially what you just said.
From what im seeing, Vzearr and Huzy do not understand how explosions work in the first placeI agree so far with Vzearr and Huzy about the shockwave not being that strong, we even see how the shockwave passes through civilians without being harmed or even moved by it
Either calculating the small earthquake or the energy to knock off those bone chunks would make more sense tbh
You're using the full radius of the shockwave. The psi used is at the radius you put in the formula. It doesn't display 4psi at the edge. Therefore the calc is wrong.Basically yes, it does not need to do that as it expands. Shockwaves get weaker as they travel, so the force displayed kilometers from the epicenter will be significantly weaker. All explosions work like this.
Ironically you seem to have no clue how the formula works.From what im seeing, Vzearr and Huzy do not understand how explosions work in the first place
I can calc the earthquake but i guarantee i will yield comparable if not higher results
IMO the earthquake seems to be pure visual effects as well. The people aren't exactly displaying anything you'd expect in an earthquake such as falling over or stumbling even while the screen is shaking violently.I agree so far with Vzearr and Huzy about the shockwave not being that strong, we even see how the shockwave passes through civilians without being harmed or even moved by it
Either calculating the small earthquake or the energy to knock off those bone chunks would make more sense tbh
...You have no idea what a 'visual effect' is do you?IMO the earthquake seems to be pure visual effects as well. The people aren't exactly displaying anything you'd expect in an earthquake such as falling over or stumbling even while the screen is shaking violently.
The quake didnt do any visible damage to the area but was felt by the people standing a .7215696280680001 km away, so its likely in the range of a 4-5 magnitude, 3 lowball.I agree so far with Vzearr and Huzy about the shockwave not being that strong, we even see how the shockwave passes through civilians without being harmed or even moved by it
Either calculating the small earthquake or the energy to knock off those bone chunks would make more sense tbh
It's a visual effect because the screen is shaking heavily while there aren't any visible effects on the characters on the fort. Therefore it's unlikely there was any physical earthquake of that magnitude. What else would a visual effect be?...You have no idea what a 'visual effect' is do you?
Its not the screen shaking, there is a visible traveling shockwave that extends from the point of impact.It's a visual effect because the screen is shaking heavily while there aren't any visible effects on the characters on the fort. Therefore it's unlikely there was any physical earthquake of that magnitude. What else would a visual effect be?
What's with this antagonistic tone.From what im seeing, Vzearr and Huzy do not understand how explosions work in the first place
I can calc the earthquake but i guarantee i will yield comparable if not higher results
Even that does literally nothing to the people on the fort who are completely exposed. You're saying they got hit by a supersonic wave (shockwaves by definition are supersonic) and didn't even stumble a bit or fall down?Its not the screen shaking, there is a visible traveling shockwave that extends from the point of impact.
Annoyance mostly.What's with this antagonistic tone.
You claim to know how shockwaves work and then contradict that claim in the same sentence. None of that needs to happen for it to be a shockwave. Its not just the screen shaking, it is a visible traveling blast wave extending out from the point of impact. Therefore it logically cannot be 'just a visual effect'.We clearly know how shockwaves work, and this one is a visual effect. There is no damage, no people moving back, no sand moving, nothing at all.
CorrectEven that does literally nothing to the people on the fort who are completely exposed. You're saying they got hit by a supersonic wave (shockwaves by definition are supersonic) and didn't even stumble a bit or fall down?
A shockwave has to have some potency, to be able to create some energy, if this "shockwave" doesn't even have the potency to make some sand move or move some hair, are the chances of it being a shockwave high or low? You tell me.Annoyance mostly.
You claim to know how shockwaves work and then contradict that claim in the same sentence. None of that needs to happen for it to be a shockwave. Its not just the screen shaking, it is a visible traveling blast wave extending out from the point of impact. Therefore it logically cannot be 'just a visual effect'.
So it's either the weakest shockwave of all time or not a shockwave. Could just be a gust of wind but then again I've experienced common wind storms that had more effects on people than this "shockwave".Correct
High. Not every shockwave is strong enough to shatter buildings, we literally have an entire scale built around this fact.A shockwave has to have some potency, to be able to create some energy, if this "shockwave" doesn't even have the potency to make some sand move or move some hair, are the chances of it being a shockwave high or low? You tell me.
The former most likely, because it visually is a shockwave. There is no denying this fact.So it's either the weakest shockwave of all time or not a shockwave. Could just be a gust of wind but then again I've experienced common wind storms that had more effects on people than this "shockwave".
Yes mate I think I know, I made the scale.High. Not every shockwave is strong enough to shatter buildings, we literally have an entire scale built around this fact.
Then why are you arguing against your own scale? You should know how this works.Yes mate I think I know, I made the scale.
I know how it works, and your feat is going against my scale, nothing on here even indicates glass breaking levels, you need to prove it does.Then why are you arguing against your own scale? You should know how this works.
The only thing going against your scale here is you my guy. It literally shattered part of Eren's Founding Titan spine.I know how it works, and your feat is going against my scale, nothing on here even indicates glass breaking levels, you need to prove it does.
The only thing going against your scale here is you my guy. It literally shattered part of Eren's Founding Titan spine.
Yeah so I'll elaborate on my contention of the PSI usage.
There isn't actually any evidence for 4 PSI, the bones break but that's not from the shockwave that's from the KE of the swing, hell, even 0.1 PSI is a highball, we don't actually see any damage or sand moving, it seems moreso like a visual feat, not a real one.
the bones break but that's not from the shockwave that's from the KE of the swing
There is no shockwave that exists that isn't even powerful enough to shake hair.High. Not every shockwave is strong enough to shatter buildings, we literally have an entire scale built around this fact.
You're welcome to find an overpressure value which is so weak that it doesn't do anything. I don't think any value on the scale on the site is applicable at the full 722 meters.The former most likely, because it visually is a shockwave. There is no denying this fact.
Even if that was from the shockwave, that happened at the epicenter. Not at 720 meters. You can't put 4psi while still having the radius at 722 meters in the formula.literally shattered part of Eren's Founding Titan spine.
They all are. Every one of them.You're welcome to find an overpressure value which is so weak that it doesn't do anything. I don't think any value on the scale on the site is applicable at the full 722 meters.
You can, that is how overpressure calcs work.Even if that was from the shockwave, that happened at the epicenter. Not at 720 meters. You can't put 4psi while still having the radius at 722 meters in the formula.
Have you ever taken a Physics class?You can, that is how overpressure calcs work.