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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier

Tony_di_bugalu said:
is not? AFAIK only 1A stuff can be smurf shit now
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Higher-dimensional hax can still have smurf potency but it has to meet the "their power can be concentrated onto a small area" part
Abilities that are higher-dimensional (tiering-applicable) wherein their power can be concentrated onto a small area, or are qualitatively superior to the physical stats of the character, e.g. a physically Tier 7 character capable of casting a 1-A reality warping attack, or hax which has a potency that is qualitatively superior to the baseline potency. Do note that anti-feats still apply.
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I'd like to nominate John Cricket for #5 of the Unknown Tier
Because his usual strategy of the craziest-biggest-baddest Social Influence wins over Ghost Writer
 
AlphaOmegaV1 said:
To fill out the 1-B Section
The other two being moved down due to lack of good hax
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Tbf PGR shouldn't even be higher than Honkai, Makina's only reasoning for that is cause of the Low 1-A stuff in her final key. Honkai/Imaginary Energy related is too much for PGR to handle due to how absurd and how haxxed they are, I believe the 26-D stuff there is not infinite in size right? So yeah, I don't really see why it should be higher atm when this could be bypassed by most HI3 characters. "Lack of good hax" is insane especially when it's about Honkai cause it's the opposite trust me
 
AlphaOmegaV1 said:
To fill out the 1-B Section
The other two being moved down due to lack of good hax
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I mean, for the non li-qiye people, what the magi gods have is enough considering plot + law hax from magi in addition to ad infinitum HDE and AP so they can just think a bit too hard and nuke them from existence, bar Makina, though I don't know if she can act in a void or not, so shrug
Godzilla has countless D stuff also and 1-A immo off It, though how combat applicable it is
 
Voidnether said:
Tbf PGR shouldn't even be higher than Honkai, Makina's only reasoning for that is cause of the Low 1-A stuff in her final key. Honkai/Imaginary Energy related is too much for PGR to handle due to how absurd and how haxxed they are, I believe the 26-D stuff there is not infinite in size right? So yeah, I don't really see why it should be higher atm when this could be bypassed by most HI3 characters. "Lack of good hax" is insane especially when it's about Honkai cause it's the opposite trust me
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I was not talking about Honkai when I said lack of hax and PGR is countless D
 
AlphaOmegaV1 said:
I was not talking about Honkai when I said lack of hax and PGR is countless D
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Countless D there is a possibly + Their size is finite, this is something that characters in HI3 dealt with everytime. Trust me, if it wasn't for the range being the same as AP where you need all those dimensions to be Infinite. Honkai always could do that and they have the capability to do so.
 
Deonment said:
why would we not using the strongest key/interpretation for the top strongest list, lol what
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We still don't treat them as this btw, if we're going by this logic then those finite dimensions would be infinite when they just simply aren't. That's not what has been accepted b4, and I've stated that Honkai is capable of manipulating finite dimensions like these. Like, it goes way up to transfinite cardinal amount of dimensions (Not just transfinite numbers) and due to that like Telomera CRT. Pretty sure they were finite in size, so yeah that's why but even if the dimension size is finite (like those above infinite dimensions), it kinda still doesn't debunk the fact that they're still capable of manipulating all of them anyways. Why are they still 1-B? Simple, Sea of Quanta is an uncompactified M-Theory that hosts Bubble Universes that can inherit the compactified version (1 space-time and extra 7 finite dimensions with the Sea of Quanta being Infinite 11-D in size, then we have Imaginary Tree transcending this hence +1 gap) however the Imaginary Tree's dimensions are actually capable of going to as far as transfinite cardinal dimensions which apparently wasn't debunked whatsoever cause the only one debunked is their size only. Like this is all Telomera's fault bro he made these dimensions as finite in size but it still doesn't change the fact that these Honkai characters are still capable of manipulating until like the transfinite amount of them even if it's finite. Last downgrade CRT about Honkai is really whack
 
Gonna say this now: if countless-D or whatever is accepted as a possibly or something, then use that. If it's just 12-D with no fluff like possibly, use 12-D
 
DaReaperMan said:
Gonna say this now: if countless-D or whatever is accepted as a possibly or something, then use that. If it's just 12-D with no fluff like possibly, use 12-D
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So it's the case where you must be countless-D (1-B) too where like all of their dimensional size is infinite (Cause that's how you qualify for it anyways?) Is that correct? If that's so, fine by me then.

EDIT: Nevermind what I said, I read it wrong lmao
 
Voidnether said:
So it's the case where you must be countless-D (1-B) too where like all of their dimensional size is infinite (Cause that's how you qualify for it anyways?) Is that correct? If that's so, fine by me then
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I'm not versed in Honkai scaling, like, at all, but using dimensional terms, if a character is 12-D, possibly 14-D, we use 14-D for the list.

If scaling is off or they're not actually Countless-D, then not my circus not my monkeys, I'm just clearing this up
 
DaReaperMan said:
I'm not versed in Honkai scaling, like, at all, but using dimensional terms, if a character is 12-D, possibly 14-D, we use 14-D for the list.

If scaling is off or they're not actually Countless-D, then not my circus not my monkeys, I'm just clearing this up
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Yeah I just read it wrong beforehand tbf, I haven't slept in ages. Well, if countless-D stuff still could be used here then yeah I suppose. Their dimensional size being finite/infinite shouldn't matter that much atm
 
Deonment said:
I mean, for the non li-qiye people, what the magi gods have is enough considering plot + law hax from magi in addition to ad infinitum HDE and AP so they can just think a bit too hard and nuke them from existence, bar Makina, though I don't know if she can act in a void or not, so shrug
Godzilla has countless D stuff also and 1-A immo off It, though how combat applicable it is
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Didn't plot manipulation get nerfed to where you now need to specify what it governs?
 
Deonment said:
I mean, for the non li-qiye people, what the magi gods have is enough considering plot + law hax from magi in addition to ad infinitum HDE and AP so they can just think a bit too hard and nuke them from existence, bar Makina
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AlphaOmegaV1 said:
Didn't plot manipulation get nerfed to where you now need to specify what it governs?
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Figured I'd contribute to this seeing as it's PGR related but as AlphaOmega mentioned, metaphysical hax in general doesn't have any default hierarchy.
For example, per default plot manipulation would not be able to manipulate concepts, but concept erasure can't necessarily be used to erase the plot either. In a vs-debate a clash between such powers may have an indeterminate outcome, unless at least one of the fictions involved clarifies how the interaction between the metaphysical aspects works.
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Of course, my intent is not to argue Magi gods wouldn't absolutely dust us (they would) but I just wanted to clear that up.
Deonment said:
bar Makina, though I don't know if she can act in a void or not, so shrug
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Is acting in a void actually relevant here? I still don't really know the rules behind how this thread operates, whether it's essentially a watered down version of putting characters against each other on 1 list or whether the verse itself just carries x character to a specific placement. However, PGR characters are also capable of acting inside voids (not sure how relevant that will be to it's placement) tbh I'm kinda shocked and satisfied to see it potentially that high on the list.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Is acting in a void actually relevant here? I still don't really know the rules behind how this thread operates, whether it's essentially a watered down version of putting characters against each other on 1 list or whether the verse itself just carries x character to a specific placement. However, PGR characters are also capable of acting inside voids (not sure how relevant that will be to it's placement) tbh I'm kinda shocked and satisfied to see it potentially that high on the list.
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Mainly asking in the case of Makina because the Magi gods can just uncreate her layer of existence (canonically smth sinbad did in Magi, in addition to the AP diff), but they can't kill her cause she has a Low 1-A immo, and so I'm asking if she can act in a void whenever her reality is nuked or what have you because if she can't, thats a wincon due to incap, otherwise it's incon and they would share the spot
 
Shiro's strategy against Kuro was to repeatedly create worlds/temporal dimensions, jump to different worlds, and then attack Kuro who was trapped in the other temporal dimension, wiping out the world along with Kuro (Chapter 625). Kuro was powerless to do anything for a while due to not being able to instantly travel to different worlds, so yea think World Creators operate just fine in voids.

Could also mention how Eden always chills in a different dimension, outside the logic of the world where not even the concept of sound exists (Chapter 524).

But anyway the void argument is an angle I haven't seen brought up in a fight like this.
 
Deonment said:
Mainly asking in the case of Makina because the Magi gods can just uncreate her layer of existence (canonically smth sinbad did in Magi, in addition to the AP diff), but they can't kill her cause she has a Low 1-A immo, and so I'm asking if she can act in a void whenever her reality is nuked or what have you because if she can't, thats a wincon due to incap, otherwise it's incon and they would share the spot
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Oh, fair enough.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Shiro's strategy against Kuro was to repeatedly create worlds/temporal dimensions, jump to different worlds, and then attack Kuro who was trapped in the other temporal dimension, wiping out the world along with Kuro (Chapter 625). Kuro was powerless to do anything for a while due to not being able to instantly travel to different worlds, so yea think World Creators operate just fine in voids.

Could also mention how Eden always chills in a different dimension, outside the logic of the world where not even the concept of sound exists (Chapter 524).

But anyway the void argument is an angle I haven't seen brought up in a fight like this.
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Yeah, likewise PGR has characters who are casually capable of staying inside voids that are endless expanses of nothingness where even the 3rd dimension itself is stripped away (31-15 Lost in an Endless Dream)

Though this is only the case for a very small minority of characters, as Lucia (as shown in the scan) could only resist it for a short time before eventually being affected. Though again, not entirely sure how relevant it is given that Deonment primarily meant it for Makina.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Shiro's strategy against Kuro was to repeatedly create worlds/temporal dimensions, jump to different worlds, and then attack Kuro who was trapped in the other temporal dimension, wiping out the world along with Kuro (Chapter 625). Kuro was powerless to do anything for a while due to not being able to instantly travel to different worlds, so yea think World Creators operate just fine in voids.

Could also mention how Eden always chills in a different dimension, outside the logic of the world where not even the concept of sound exists (Chapter 524).

But anyway the void argument is an angle I haven't seen brought up in a fight like this.
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Yeah pretty sure that's just incon then
Yeah, the void arguments is something i've seen before (and used before), but typically in the context of NEP (and to be quote the part of the page that speaks to it)
Note: The aspects in which a character is not nonexistent in the common sense are what makes them into a 'living' character. As such, if a character with this power is reduced to a state in which they can't display any properties of something that exists (e.g. becomes unable to take any actions), they are effectively dead/erased. A consequence of that is that feats or special reasoning are required for a character with this ability to survive the complete erasure of their plane of existence, as one needs to confirm that they are able to still display some existent properties on a different plane of existence.
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You need feats to be able to act in featureless, aspectless, and dimensionless voids, since even if you can survive the higher tiered character nuking your everything through whatever means, you would still be unable to do anything due to reality suddenly lacking those things you need to actually do anything, such as dimensions, space, time, and whatnot without actual showings, which this does have
 
Add the crow Li Qiye to 1A now, put him at 15. He's probably massively above the lower ends but I can't be asked to looked through the others.
 
Think I've mentioned this before but Doctor Strange should be the #2 5-A since he's now a 1-A smurf instead of Low 1-A (the only 1-A smurf from LDG IIRC is Lu Zhiyu)
 
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