By lee th vs Edea lee (Byleth vs Edea) 0-0-7, Grace for incon

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Edea Vs Female and canon Byleth

Speed is equalized

Edea has knowledge of Byleth's powers and 5 minutes of prep time

Byleth is latest high 6-A key, Edea is at 7-A with all of her asterisk power from both games

Battle takes place in infinity castle where Muzan is hiding because is a victim, he is joined by Deku who got stomped by the little girl, at 4 KM

Voting:

Byleth:
Edea
Inconclusive: Kazuma Kuwabara, Shadow, Franstel, Arkansalter,Tegamibanchi, spinoir, athelchan

 

[Shadowslash125]

following, what does Edea do first in character?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

following, what does Edea do first in character?

Edea is a playable character where you choose how you want to stomp the enemy so no choice other than winning with the best strategy ever thanks to prep+ knowledge

 

[AthelChan]

Battle takes place in infinity castle where Muzan is hiding because is a victim, at 4 KM

LOOL

 

[Arkansalter2]

Death GGs.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I'm actually surprised no deku defenders are coming here.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Deku schlong suckers vs Kong full movie download zone

 

[Shadowslash125]

Kong full movie download zone

whatever this means, ok

 

[LaserPrecision]

whatever this means, ok

personally I'm more partial to Godzilla full movie download bluray 1080p

 

[Machmatej]

Who is this random

Someone make a case for Edea. Will respond back in a couple hours

 

[Bruhtelho]

i'm not gonna sugar coat it Bravely Second (Time Stop) + Death = GG. Edea just seems to outhax really badly, something Deku just has no counter towards.

 

[Shadowslash125]

so this a stomp or something?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

so this a stomp or something?

Yes

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I'm actually surprised no deku defenders are coming here.

No worries, they will come to the Verses thread Removal Requests (New Forum) instead to make sure Deku only has wins.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

so this a stomp or something?

Nuh uh.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Yes

But Deku outspeeds and outskills...

 

[Machmatej]

But Deku outspeeds and outskills...

Nah this is a stomp. Deku can't do anything when time is stopped and Edea can cause instant death. I'm not familiar with the series, and since there's no explanation or scans for the abilities, not even cooldowns or time limits or stuff like that listed, I can't even make an argument for Deku here. Maybe it could work if Deku is the one with background knowledge and prep time but he still can't counter a lot of stuff.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Nah this is a stomp. Deku can't do anything when time is stopped and Edea can cause instant death. I'm not familiar with the series, and since there's no explanation or scans for the abilities, not even cooldowns or time limits or stuff like that listed, I can't even make an argument for Deku here. Maybe it could work if Deku is the one with background knowledge and prep time but he still can't counter a lot of stuff.

Do not worry, this is the first fight of Edea

The next is Byleth

Edit: And Deku has no knowledge because he is already gonna do gearshift+fa jin+ blackwhip infused with fa jin combo to just stomp+ danger sense to sense anything so

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

stomp

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

stomp

Clearly Deku stomps a mere 7-A girl

 

[Franstel]

Did the opponents changed?
Anyway considering that Byleth resist both instant death effect and time stop what can Edea do against someone millions of times stronger than her?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Did the opponents changed?
Anyway considering that Byleth resist both instant death effect and time stop what can Edea do against someone millions of times stronger than her?

Gravity spells which reduces 3/4 of hp and bone crush which damages you with the health you are missing

So, at 1/4, getting damaged by 3/4 of your hp is death

also: Bravely Second: Edea stops time all around her for short period of time, leaving her and her allies free to attack as they please. This bypasses resistance to Time Stop abilities and allows her to deal much more damage while Bravely Second is active.

Also the luck alternative: Eradication: Edea uses a special rite that can instantly kill all targets, ignoring resistance to instant death, but relies primarily on luck to activate.

 

[Franstel]

Gravity spells which reduces 3/4 of hp and bone crush which damages you with the health you are missing

So, at 1/4, getting damaged by 3/4 of your hp is death

also: Bravely Second: Edea stops time all around her for short period of time, leaving her and her allies free to attack as they please. This bypasses resistance to Time Stop abilities and allows her to deal much more damage while Bravely Second is active.

Also the luck alternative: Eradication: Edea uses a special rite that can instantly kill all targets, ignoring resistance to instant death, but relies primarily on luck to activate.

Byleth possess supernatural luck + way to further increase her luck so Eradication won't do much here.

Now for the rest byleth can not only survive fatal damage at least once through miracle but she can also enter an awakening state which prevent her hp from reaching zero on top of ways of healing herself. She also possess Attack Negation which give her a chance to just negate some attack from Edea. So the first method can easily be countered.

And because of the divine pulse Edea must defeat Byleth 14 times and Byleth keep her memory of previous rounds while Edea doesn't. Meanwhile Byleth can kill her by literally doing anything.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

And because of the divine pulse Edea must defeat Byleth 14 times and Byleth keep her memory of previous rounds while Edea doesn't. Meanwhile Byleth can kill her by literally doing anything.

Edea can reraise herself and Edea can make her and Byleth (not one) inmune to damage with stillness

If killed for good, Edea can reset the battle to the beginning, if he foresees death, he can also undo the turn of battle even if she dies and it would bring her to the point before her death

Edea must defeat Byleth 14 times and Byleth keep her memory of previous rounds while Edea doesn't

Edea have faced someone with a similar moveset (and if I remember right, he defeated the guy 5 times in battle, but with help of her team) and has her own moveset which involves resetting battles, she remember said prior battles, but I will understand if both powers are different and therefore, both can't remember the past events after anyone of them starts rewinding the battle with their own type of time rewind


Final edit: Also, Byleth has no resistance to any status effects Edea can do aside of death: blinded, muted, charmed, paralyzed...

Also it seems that Byleth magical defense is worthless, so her high 6-A resistance to magical attacks is nullified: Pierce M. Defense: Edea is able to completely ignore her opponent's resistance to magic.

 

[Franstel]

Edea can reraise herself and Edea can make her and Byleth (not one) inmune to damage with stillness

It only work once and many techniques of Byleth consist of several blows so she might just die on the spot + any attack with the SoC damage (Byleth's main weapon) the target twice with regular attacks.

If killed for good, Edea can reset the battle to the beginning, if he foresees death, he can also undo the turn of battle even if she dies and it would bring her to the point before her death

You mean the Time Slip, it only work once so it's greatly inferior to the divine pulse.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

It only work once and many techniques of Byleth consist of several blows so she might just die on the spot + any attack with the SoC damage (Byleth's main weapon) the target twice with regular attacks.

Stillness works a large amount of turns(so a large amount of time), not just once and can be reapplied

You mean the Time Slip, it only work once so it's greatly inferior to the divine pulse.

A bit of a side note but could people stop using just Byleth or Shez in matchups, there's far more characters in the series including some with very good profiles like SoV or Sacred Stones characters.

To fight Edea I am gonna use the stronger FE character, if I were using another FE I would try to find someone more suitable
Because Hector or Roy can't do shit

And time slip works once, but that is the passive one, the actives one have no limit of uses other than MP, and Edea has methods of restoring MP(or can make that they don't waste MP Free Lunch: Edea temporarily eliminates the cost of her MP-reliant attacks for a brief period of time.

 

[Franstel]

Stillness works a large amount of turns(so a large amount of time), not just once and can be reapplied

Yes but Stillness also protect Byleth and she'll just use that tile to fully heal and prepare for what's next.

To fight Edea I am gonna use the stronger FE character, if I were using another FE I would try to find someone more suitable
Because Hector or Roy can't do shit

There's far more characters in Fire Emblem than those two

And time slip works once, but that is the passive one, the actives one have no limit of uses other than MP, and Edea has methods of restoring MP

Ok that is getting confusing can you please refer to what spells you are talking about. I'm tired of having two reread constantly the profile to search for the justification you should provide.

And also even if she can refill her MP is it instant? Otherwise what prevent Byleth from doing anything while she refill them?

Moreover the longer this drag on the more favorable it is to Byleth who possess far better stamina.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Yes but Stillness also protect Byleth and she'll just use that tile to fully heal and prepare for what's next.

Not from statuses, in stillness edea can charm her or stop her time with bravely second or etc

There's far more characters in Fire Emblem than those two

Like ephraim

Ok that is getting confusing can you please refer to what spells you are talking about.

Undo: Edea undoes the effects of what happened in the last round of combat, reversing changes to health, magical energy, stat changes, or the effects of actions the target incurred.

I though I posted this one earlier

And also even if she can refill her MP is it instant?

Read above+ aspir+ not wasting MP if she wants

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

The more I read Edea's page the more I believe this battle is inconclusive when Edea can also reflect the attacks or act first even if she is slower in the case of Byleth using something to get a speed advantage

 

[Franstel]

Final edit: Also, Byleth has no resistance to any status effects Edea can do aside of death:

blinded,

AoE +the fact that she can fight while her vision is obstructed.

muted

Byleth doesn't use that much magic

charmed

Is temporary

paralyzed...

Will only last until Edea attack her.

Not from statuses, in stillness edea can charm her or stop her time with bravely second or etc

All of that is temporary and Edea won't be able to take advantage of it in stillness.

Undo: Edea undoes the effects of what happened in the last round of combat, reversing changes to health, magical energy, stat changes, or the effects of actions the target incurred.

What stop Byleth from just re attacking forcing her to constantly undo till she has to take a moment to refill MP.

Vantage and Desperation should also not be counted out since if she loses to much HP it will allow her to always act before Edea and act twice before her response. Also through quick repost Edea will take the damage she deal to Byleth.

Vantage: When foe initiates combat, unit still attacks first if HP is ≤ 50%. When HP is at 50% or below: Perfect Guards restore a small amount of the Warrior and Awakening Gauges

Desperation: If unit initiates combat with HP ≤ 50%, unit’s follow-up attack (if possible) occurs before foe’s counterattack. When HP is at 50% or below: strong attacks will break an enemy's guard.

Quick Riposte: If foe initiates combat while unit’s HP is ≥ 50%, unit makes guaranteed follow-up attack. When HP is at 50% or below: forces enemies to sustain damage proportional to the damage they inflict.

She can also prevent Edea from riposting to her assault through windsweep.
Windsweep: Generate a cyclone. Inflicts the Windtorn Status, and prevents enemy counterattacks.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I will answer tomorrow, I am tired

 

[Franstel]

Ok good night

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

All of that is temporary and Edea won't be able to take advantage of it in stillness.

Stillness last less than status effects, she can just wait and buff her evasion or put reraise/buffs like rampart(not on her profile, is stillness but for one attack and only she will have it, that nullifies one hit)

What stop Byleth from just re attacking forcing her to constantly undo till she has to take a moment to refill MP.

The fact that she returns to the previous state with all buffs that she had before, if she had stillness before and die because Byleth timed one hit and landed that, she will have stillness and that is free time, while Byleth will not have it

Undo Trois: Edea undoes everything that happened in the last three rounds of combat.

She dies in turn 3 without stillness

She revives on turn 1 with stillness up

Vantage and Desperation should also not be counted out since if she loses to much HP it will allow her to always act before Edea and act twice before her response. Also through quick repost Edea will take the damage she deal to Byleth.

Edea can force herself to be the one acting first always, and is via manipulating space so skills are less powerfull than : Sonnenblume: Edea bends space so that slower characters will strike first and vice versa.

Windsweep: Generate a cyclone. Inflicts the Windtorn Status, and prevents enemy counterattacks.

"Counterattacks" are her not being able to attack or not doing literally anything?

I vote inconclusive, the battle is decided by % of who can exhaust their repertoire, literally both have equal skills to win the fight if they resolve the puzzle that the enemy is, and both are good enough to do that

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Bump

 

[Shadowslash125]

Incon fra

 

[Franstel]

So they have an option against everything the other can do, ok i'll vote incon until new arguments appear

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

So they have an option against everything the other can do, ok i'll vote incon until new arguments appear

I was debating with shadow on discord and Edea could have a possible skill that literally swaps their ap and durability values, but I don't know if that is true or not because I would have to test it in game

So for now 3 inconclusives votes, fair when both are technically on the most powerfull characters non smurf list

 

[Arkansalter2]

Incon FRA.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Bump

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

BUMPO