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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable
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Ruby_R_Dracula
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ah ic icMe when DB
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Jotaro is def the worst
I like DIO's and Jonathans characterization because they do seem the most accurate (and are my favorite ones)
Giornos ok, I like the speech he had mid fight
Ruby_R_Dracula
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it's been a while since I've watched JJBA but how does hamon dura neg?
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Vibrates the moisture in the body affecting organs such as the heart or brain
Ruby_R_Dracula
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ic thxs
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additionally due to it having properties stated to be equal to the sun
it also negates regeneration and durability of undead beings like vampires and demons from KNY for an ex
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Post-Coma Jotaro is explicitly nerfed statistically.
MIH has a stated speed stat.
MIH the STAND might be MFTL with amping early on (The Stand Body =/= Pucci. If it's the same speed as say, Whitesnake was physically,it'd obv be fast af), but Pucci isn't.
MIH is actually a pretty huge speed anti-feat, we just luck out because Jotaro, the dude who's fast af, has multiple hard statements saying he got gutted and legit shouldn't even be able to stand yet.
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Ye ik jotaro is nerfed Post-Coma but eh i see that his speed rating during Part 4-6 on vsbw got a likely rating so i thought we can upgrade Pucci's reaction speed and MIH's overall speed
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Expect CRT this month for Part 3 assuming I'm not taken out back.
Which actually thinking on it, we don't have a Post-Coma key, and I didn't write one up because I thought it'd be clutter as that isn't actually his usual state. It'd be like making a key for Meruem Post-Rose (but like, as a potato).
4 keys would be a lot tbh, his stats would just be everyone else's stats there, +1. He wouldn't be useful for scaling MIH.
MIH's overall speed is odd tho, he doesn't actually have one (Once come Post-Reset, he can accelerate far more quickly, he even crunched like a week or two into a second instantly when attacking Emporio based on the wilting flower and clock in the background).
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It would be lowk stressful as long as Pucci states that "it would give us peace" but like knowing something and can't do anything about to prevent it.
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Not really the main deal with it.
No Class G isn't either that's just a byproduct.
It's just a whole lot of extra shit, one of a reasons it's taken so long is because it's kind of future proofing late CRT's too, like getting a bunch of basic Stand stuff out of the way too, like every lil facet of them, whether it's how many NPIs they have, to even just how willpower works with them. Like after this CRT, a hypothetical Part 4 CRT would only take less than 2-3 weeks to do completely.
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Ah I see.
Hopefully this makes the future Part 7 & onwards CRT easier too...?
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Part 7 is in a ***** case where we HAD a CRT for it, it got put off, and then ultimately just went "eh a few feats vague af, may as well wait for the anime so we can see what tf is even happening" (mostly speed feats, hard to tell the relative motions) so TBA.
Like every feat and a bunch of shit has been done for like two years. It's just waiting to calc stuff that's important for stats.
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What exactly is the relation between manga and anime for the scaling here? Like, just because some day we'll have the anime is enough to bar the CRT for 2 years??? That sucks
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I'm very patient
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I think that everyone who's already alive may find it stressful, but people who are recently born would easily adapt to it
So basically like two generations later it could be good, but for anyone else this is really ASS, I agree
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I think I remember you discussing about how Jonathan might have some stuff with willpower so would Supernatural Willpower be more common throughout the entire series?
Also would it lead to stuff regarding resisting fear hax since JoJo characters can fight people like DIO who have a fear inducing aura?
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Iirc the anime would help scaling feats since some are vague in timeframe, etc
the one I remember being a ACT 2 feat for Johnny that gets to massively hypersonic or massively hypersonic+ but it had a bit of an issue regarding the paneling or time I think
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They already pretty much do resist fearhax. The profiles are just dogwater and we kinda have to refer to the Supwill that is listed in the stand page to show it is on the "profiles"...
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yeah but I remember specifically that there was a conversation regarding Jonathan and how he might have it due to a statement that he has the highest amount of Willpower amongst the joestars (Which should include Jotaro and other stand users
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Jonathan has straight up supwill statements, and like a dozen so even if he didn't have a few oddly nice feats for it, he'd have it regardless.
The Crusaders have res to that (to varying degrees, like they all got effected at one point or another but to vary degrees, by the end tho it's not bad enough to effect much if anything, but early on.. Well Kak pre training in his own words couldnt even move), but most Stand dudes wouldn't. Like Damo or Tamaki have zero reason to have res to that, most fold under Dio anyway, a good example is D'Arby. Every Stand dude has above average will, but not every dude is Jotaro or Giorno if that makes sense, there's a HUGE gap. Like so much so it isn't even funny, would be like comparing a 50y old vet to a toddler.
Buuuut... Some other dudes might also have a bit of fear hax? Like not to the degree Dio has but a bit, so maybe a few could. For reference, a few characters would upscale Willpower anyway, like Giorno is stated to have the strongest will out of the first 5 JoJo's. But extremely specific cases like that are rare, and don't exist for 99% of the verse. So the answer is yes, but only for like a dozen dudes, not the whole like 250.
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Nah that's fine, that's easy to calc via some basic trigonomics, it's more like Diego dodging shit or a few Gyro feats that the manga simply doesn't give enough panels or info to get some of the needed things like when they began moving, or how much Thing A moved compared to Thing B in the same window.
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There's a statement saying his will surpassed the Morioh gang. But, it also says in that instance, his will isn't always stronger, but when back in that corner, he was able to make it through and escape. It's less he upscales, and more he's in the same ballpark but can exceed them at times, much like how Josuke could surpass Kira in the end too.
Top 1 is probably Giorno. Might be odd, but Bruno might also be top 5 despite not being a JoJo.
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makes sense for some characters not having as good of a resistance to fear hax and that the joestars are like cracked in supwill but I primarily remember DIO having it, maybe some villains but Im pretty sure the fear hax stuff would likely piggyback off of DIO since bro saw Pitou employ massive amounts of ren and said bet lol
hmm I see
yeah the anime might help alot though that does leave a question, how do we treat anime canon to the manga in this wiki? I know that we can use anime for timeframes or better ideas of a feat but there is some changes and additions made to the anime though I dont think we get new feats out of it Iirc (outside of the pt 1 beam but thats an outlier)
Yoshikage kira having top 1 willpower?
Im interested rn because this is a first Imo
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Dio has supwill yeah.
We have a calc in a sticky somewhere, it's like HHS+ to MHS.
Manga preferred, manga always if it can be used.
Anime is last resort for feats that like, you literally can't calc based on the manga by itself (so mostly feats with timeframes, motion, etc).
Few exceptions tho, like the Part 2 Karsfeat or Secco feat is better for the anime, not because it's the anime, but just external statements. Like the Secco feat was done after Araki went on a trip to italy, and he wanted to draw that area and have it to scale and be accurate, but given it's art, and going off memory, while he tried to get as best he could, and he wanted to convey the scale of it, he was like please understand if it isn't perfect or 1:1 despite what he wanted.
The anime does the same feat but makes it 100% accurate down to the ******* tiling, from scale to even colors. Part 5 anime in specific is absolute insane, they went to italy and gathered so much reference shots that there's that infamous thread on Reddit where some bro is like "bro wtf that street fugo was driving down in the MitM episode, I live on".
But that's extremely specific case, and applies to like maybe 3~ feats in the whole manga where the anime is better due to irl frame of references being conveyed better. Otherwise manga every time.
Like even in the recent new boat recalc, if you notice I even went out of my way to do the Erina scaling using manga shots exclusively to avoid using the anime where it isn't 100% needed.
It's on the profile what he's talking about, I added it a long while ago.
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If Gio didn't have an actual statement, I'd put Bruno top 1 from just feats alone.
"Yeah bro I punched out your spine, exploded your heart, and your ass still isn't dead? idk wtf is up with you, shit ain't normal dude, must be pure will".
Like dude literally died, and then just decided not to die till he finished his goal.
And just Part 5 as a whole, the whole Part 5 gang has supernatural will, Gio and Bruno got the most tho.
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OH YEAHHHH I just remembered that lol.
Dude was legit dead for the entire rest of the part after first meeting Diavolo. Yeah feats alone Bruno got it.
Though you did say Gio has the most willpower of the first five. Not a mention of Jolyne. I think she would scale decently high in terms of willpower in the verse tbh, her development made her courageous as hell in the end of P6
Dude was legit dead for the entire rest of the part after first meeting Diavolo. Yeah feats alone Bruno got it.
Though you did say Gio has the most willpower of the first five. Not a mention of Jolyne. I think she would scale decently high in terms of willpower in the verse tbh, her development made her courageous as hell in the end of P6
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ong I think she might have some crazy feats aswell iirc
ah I see
I did remember having somewhere a calc I did for the teeth feat in pt3 that did use shots from the anime to more closely size the teeth and other stuff
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I think the calc had somewhat varying results w the majority being Building to Large Building so it could be good supporting feats
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I say first five because that's when the statement was made. But he upscales Jolyne given he upscales Jotaro and Jolyne at best is only comparable to Jotaro via other yap.
Johny and Jodio both have Dark Determination but Jodio doesn't have statements or feats that put him that high and Johnny is an odd case but he'd be up there. Josuke8 I have no idea, there's like nothing on him in that regard beyond Dark Determination and a few decent bodily injured feats. Given he's part Kira tho he's probably in the Part 4 ballpark but that's guesswork, not even to index on wiki even if I think it's likely true.
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Wait for Yuk willpower scaling...
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Send it, worse case I tweak it, best case I throw it at a CGM to get accepted. But if you're getting anything above 9-A+ I want that shit looked at so we can put it on the list.
I myself did run numbers for Plat punching out the teeth in the manga, not breaking the teeth, but actively ejecting the mass and fragment from the mouth and got like 8-C when accounting for the water drag so it's prob good
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Bumping this, think its a good discussion
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got it
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